Oregon State, Oregon agree not to use the term ‘Civil War’ for its sports rivalry games

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RR7 said:
When you hear the term civil war, do you think of all of the civil wars in history, or does it generally associate with the american civil war?
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What a tragedy that we might associate the game with a war that freed the slaves.
 
blazerkor said:
It's so typically us (I would say American but even us calling ourselves American when there are well over 30 countries in the Americas is so incredibly nationalistic and self-centered)...
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It's a common criticism, but few stop to ask what people around the globe refer to us by? It can't be self-centered if everyone uses the same term. It's just the term that stuck.
 
handiman said:
It's a common criticism, but few stop to ask what people around the globe refer to us by? It can't be self-centered if everyone uses the same term. It's just the term that stuck.
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I’m trying to think of any other country in the America’s that have America in their actual country name like we do.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I’m trying to think of any other country in the America’s that have America in their actual country name like we do.
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I couldn't think of any, so I looked it up: "The next country to use 'America' was the Federal Republic of Central America (now Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Costa Rica)." The linked article didn't show anything pertaining to the summary, but other articles said we're the only one.
 
I am so tired of this performative bullshit...

White people are doing things that no black person asked for, nor will it save ONE black life...

We will not accept platitudes and flowery language. We will not accept your performance art.

The only thing that we will accept is structural systemic change.

Until then:

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dviss1 said:
I am so tired of this performative bullshit...

White people are doing things that no black person asked for, nor will it save ONE black life...
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"Oregon athletic director Rob Mullens said former Duck quarterback Dennis Dixon was at the forefront of requesting a change in the Civil War name."
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Again, does it really matter what these rivalry games are called?

The Ducks football teams have had better rivalries lately with the Huskies and Cougars and those games are called nothing.

Washington calls theirs the Apple Cup.

Call ours the Beer Cup and be done with it.
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No, and I've always been against Sports / Athletes who use "war / military" terms and make it sound like they're a part of that. It's total garbage and disrespectful to people who have fought in actual wars (not just the US Military). Sorry but lining up to play a game no matter how much you've devoted yourself to it, is not War, they are not taking bullets for each other, and you aren't going to battle with your teammates, who next year will probably be on another team anyways all that stuff is just meant to stroke a bunch of athletes egos.
That said the "civil war" was obviously not named after the American Civil War, which happened on the other side of the country and Oregon as a state was basically non-existent in it. It's obviously a play on words because the schools are so close to each other. I don't care if they change it, but it's got nothing to do with progress, it's just the Oregon schools wanting to jump in on the current climate to say, hey we did something too, look how much we care.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
No, and I've always been against Sports / Athletes who use "war / military" terms and make it sound like they're a part of that. It's total garbage and disrespectful to people who have fought in actual wars (not just the US Military). Sorry but lining up to play a game no matter how much you've devoted yourself to it, is not War, they are not taking bullets for each other, and you aren't going to battle with your teammates, who next year will probably be on another team anyways all that stuff is just meant to stroke a bunch of athletes egos.
That said the "civil war" was obviously not named after the American Civil War, which happened on the other side of the country and Oregon as a state was basically non-existent in it. It's obviously a play on words because the schools are so close to each other. I don't care if they change it, but it's got nothing to do with progress, it's just the Oregon schools wanting to jump in on the current climate to say, hey we did something too, look how much we care.
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I agree and disagree.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't the Army/Navy game long been considered a War?

Id say if our military doesn't care than none of us should care. :)

As an Athlete, especially in football, its very psychical and can fee llike a war or a battle.

I have no issues with school rivalries, beefing up thier motivation with some internal war games.


Speaking of which, we should then go back and change the names of movies with the word War in it that didnt actually have anything to do with any wars. Like War Games.

God of War, ETC.


Like @dviss1 said, this is all fluff and doesn't do shit. Its just a "Look! We support BLM, We changed a name! Now back to normal life everyone!"

Sorry. Doesn't work like that. And If I were Black, I would be insulted by things like this. You think I'm soo stupid that I would just think you can change a name and shit is all good?

Fuck that.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I agree and disagree.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't the Army/Navy game long been considered a War?

Id say if our military doesn't care than none of us should care. :)

As an Athlete, especially in football, its very psychical and can fee llike a war or a battle.

I have no issues with school rivalries, beefing up thier motivation with some internal war games.


Speaking of which, we should then go back and change the names of movies with the word War in it that didnt actually have anything to do with any wars. Like War Games.

God of War, ETC.


Like @dviss1 said, this is all fluff and doesn't do shit. Its just a "Look! We support BLM, We changed a name! Now back to normal life everyone!"

Sorry. Doesn't work like that. And If I were Black, I would be insulted by things like this. You think I'm soo stupid that I would just think you can change a name and shit is all good?

Fuck that.
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No idea about the army / navy game, but at least those students have a better shot of figuring out what an actual war is.
Yeah, sports are grueling, but how would any of us who haven't been in a war actually know what it's like? We don't. Can totally guarantee you though I'd rather have prime Ray Lewis head down coming at me than to be in an actual war though.

Movies and entertainment trying to depict something, or use a play on words is a little different than a bunch of athletes trying to act like they're a bunch of green berets behind enemy lines when in reality they're trying to shoot a ball into a hoop.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
No idea about the army / navy game, but at least those students have a better shot of figuring out what an actual war is.
Yeah, sports are grueling, but how would any of us who haven't been in a war actually know what it's like? We don't. Can totally guarantee you though I'd rather have prime Ray Lewis head down coming at me than to be in an actual war though.

Movies and entertainment trying to depict something, or use a play on words is a little different than a bunch of athletes trying to act like they're a bunch of green berets behind enemy lines when in reality they're trying to shoot a ball into a hoop.
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I think, based on my knowledge of history, Its almost more for the fans than the players, now that I think about it? So maybe some of my points are moot anyhow. LOL.


I just think we are going overboard in trying to do anything we can to please, JUST to please, rather than really looking at BLM's requests and focusing on what THEY want changed. Not what we THINK they want changed.

There is such a thing as over political correctness in my opinion.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I think, based on my knowledge of history, Its almost more for the fans than the players, now that I think about it? So maybe some of my points are moot anyhow. LOL.


I just think we are going overboard in trying to do anything we can to please, JUST to please, rather than really looking at BLM's requests and focusing on what THEY want changed. Not what we THINK they want changed.

There is such a thing as over political correctness in my opinion.
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I kinda doubt most "BLM" people really care what the Ducks and Beavers call their rivalry game heh. :)
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I kinda doubt most "BLM" people really care what the Ducks and Beavers call their rivalry game heh. :)
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And that's my point is this is all just superficial fluff and not even needed. waste of time, money, etc.

Id rather see the school focus on more actual issues, like racism on campus, etc.
 
Dutchman063 said:
If BLM really cared about black lives they would be in chicago every week protesting black on black shootings
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Ive wondered why they haven't tried to help there and why Al Sharpton has been a mediator in that city.
At this point everyone should be trying to help Chicago's violence. I mean, people have to be a torn about it as any other sad situation.
I get pissed when I don't se politicians, activist like Al and groups that advocate for life and justice turn their heads and something like Chicago.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The point of what?
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erasing our war with the south over slavery from being a nostalgic fond term used without blinking. Hey, one either gives a shit or doesn't.....I'm here to listen and adjust my white privilege concerning how we move forward from racial profiling and unfair practices
 
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riverman said:
erasing our war with the south over slavery from being a nostalgic fond term used without blinking. Hey, one either gives a shit or doesn't.....I'm here to listen and adjust my white privilege concerning how we move forward from racial profiling and unfair practices
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As am I, but there have been hundreds upon hundreds of civil wars. Not just ours
 
Should they change the names of Roosevelt, Jefferson, Wilson & Grant high schools? I wouldn't.
 
Hoopguru said:
Should they change the names of Roosevelt, Jefferson, Wilson & Grant high schools? I wouldn't.
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I think honoring displaced leaders from Native American tribes or the Civil Rights movement would be educational for the students there.....Name Grant for Sitting Bull for example....name Roosevelt for Rosa Parks....etc....
 
riverman said:
I think honoring displaced leaders from Native American tribes or the Civil Rights movement would be educational for the students there.....Name Grant for Sitting Bull for example....name Roosevelt for Rosa Parks....etc....
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How about they keep the names of former presidents and IF new schools are built they can name them what you listed. It’s not complicated.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
How about they keep the names of former presidents and IF new schools are built they can name them what you listed. It’s not complicated.
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it was never complicated for me but I'm trying to listen, not direct these things....old terminology is something few of us thought had importance until it was pointed out to us....I'm listening
 
riverman said:
I think honoring displaced leaders from Native American tribes or the Civil Rights movement would be educational for the students there.....Name Grant for Sitting Bull for example....name Roosevelt for Rosa Parks....etc....
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Some HS's are Clackamas, Milwaukie, Tillamook.....
 
riverman said:
it was never complicated for me but I'm trying to listen, not direct these things....old terminology is something few of us thought had importance until it was pointed out to us....I'm listening
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I was in the Taiwan when they completely threw away the old history books from Chiang Kai Sheks invasion and decided to highlight his genocide against 18 aboriginal tribes and the native Taiwanese leaders....and his massive land grab at the same time.....most of modern history he was written as a great hero and actually he was a horrible person, racist and killed many innocent people to grab power....they changed a lot.....this is happening here now...my wife had to relearn the actual history of the Mainland Chinese invasion of Taiwan as an adult after learning to praise him as a student
 
Hoopguru said:
Should they change the names of Roosevelt, Jefferson, Wilson & Grant high schools? I wouldn't.
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As a proud alum of Grant, remind me again what he did? I think it was just brought up a little bit ago, but I forgot. We were always proud because he led the Union to victory over the south right?
 
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