Oregon State, Oregon agree not to use the term ‘Civil War’ for its sports rivalry games

[SlyPokerDog]

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

I will say it again.

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

Your feelings, your opinions, your donations, your families, it's not about you.

It's business. It's money. And most importantly, IT'S ABOUT RECRUITING.

Just look at football.

Ducks are vacuuming the top high school talent out of California.

Beavers are doing much better and doing great with California Junior colleges.

The Civil War moniker for rivalry games became low hanging fruit for other programs to whisper in the ears of 16, 17, and 18 yr old recruits and their parents that Oregon might be racist.

Sometimes when a kid is deciding on which program to choose something that small can make a difference.

...

And that's not even taking into account the corporate sponsors of these rivalry games that don't want their names attached to anything remotely controversial.

But sure..

Let's talk about how this is a disgrace to your great uncle Civil Cecil Johnson, and how lots of countries have civil wars, or how whatever strange tangents some of you are going off on.

 

[riverman]

whatever strange tangents some of you are going off on.

welcome to S2....how much did you pay Sly for his job and moniker here?

 

[handiman]

So? We don't give a shit. It won't save one black life. It's stupid. I'll always call it the Civil War.

As always, you duck and dodge. You said no black person asked for the change, which isn't true, according to UO's athletic director. Instead, you focused on the second half of the original statement (saving lives) that the quote didn't apply to.

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

It's business. It's money. And most importantly, IT'S ABOUT RECRUITING.

Ducks are vacuuming the top high school talent out of California.

The Civil War moniker for rivalry games became low hanging fruit for other programs to whisper in the ears of 16, 17, and 18 yr old recruits and their parents that Oregon might be racist.

Those statements are contradictory. It can't be hurting recruiting if the Ducks are increasingly killing it in that arena.

Also, if anyone takes the Civil War term literally, the Ducks are the southern school and the one geographically symbolic of slavery, yet they're doing far better in the big recruiting states. It doesn't add up.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Those statements are contradictory. It can't be hurting recruiting if the Ducks are increasingly killing it in that arena.

Also, if anyone takes the Civil War term literally, the Ducks are the southern school and the one geographically symbolic of slavery, yet they're doing far better in the big recruiting states. It doesn't add up.

Better to be proactive than reactive. When other schools in the Pac 12 can't get top recruits on their own merits they will find things to pick apart on the Ducks.

 

[handiman]

Better to be proactive than reactive. When other schools in the Pac 12 can't get top recruits on their own merits they will find things to pick apart on the Ducks.

Sure, it's better to be proactive, but that's a lot different than, "The Civil War moniker for rivalry games became low hanging fruit for other programs to whisper in the ears of 16, 17, and 18 yr old recruits and their parents that Oregon might be racist." Maybe it'll be an issue down the road, but there's no evidence that it is yet.

IMO, it wasn't a sports (aka recruiting) decision at all. It was a school(s) PR decision, quickly pivoting before the quiet campaign became a very public one.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sure, it's better to be proactive, but that's a lot different than, "The Civil War moniker for rivalry games became low hanging fruit for other programs to whisper in the ears of 16, 17, and 18 yr old recruits and their parents that Oregon might be racist." Maybe it'll be an issue down the road, but there's no evidence that it is yet.

IMO, it wasn't a sports (aka recruiting) decision at all. It was a school(s) PR decision, quickly pivoting before the quiet campaign became a very public one.

Recruiting is PR. They are one and the same.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

I will say it again.

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

Your feelings, your opinions, your donations, your families, it's not about you.

It's business. It's money. And most importantly, IT'S ABOUT RECRUITING.

Just look at football.

Ducks are vacuuming the top high school talent out of California.

Beavers are doing much better and doing great with California Junior colleges.

The Civil War moniker for rivalry games became low hanging fruit for other programs to whisper in the ears of 16, 17, and 18 yr old recruits and their parents that Oregon might be racist.

Sometimes when a kid is deciding on which program to choose something that small can make a difference.

...

And that's not even taking into account the corporate sponsors of these rivalry games that don't want their names attached to anything remotely controversial.

But sure..

Let's talk about how this is a disgrace to your great uncle Civil Cecil Johnson, and how lots of countries have civil wars, or how whatever strange tangents some of you are going off on.

That's the problem though. This isn't about anything other than using a social movement to try to make themselves "better", it's not actually doing anything for the group that they're supposedly doing this for.
Yeah, it's about "money" and "recruiting", but that's pretty insulting to those who are part of the social movement who want "real" changes in broken systems. Unfortunately for BLM, I think a lot of other messages and other "entities" are attaching themselves to the movement for their own gains rather than actually helping Black People, or minorities in general.

Business, corporate sponsors, recruiting, all that crap it's actually kind of MORE screwed up that so much of these "changes" are happening for those reasons rather than trying to figure out how to fix the actual problems.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's the problem though. This isn't about anything other than using a social movement to try to make themselves "better", it's not actually doing anything for the group that they're supposedly doing this for.
Yeah, it's about "money" and "recruiting", but that's pretty insulting to those who are part of the social movement who want "real" changes in broken systems. Unfortunately for BLM, I think a lot of other messages and other "entities" are attaching themselves to the movement for their own gains rather than actually helping Black People, or minorities in general.

Business, corporate sponsors, recruiting, all that crap it's actually kind of MORE screwed up that so much of these "changes" are happening for those reasons rather than trying to figure out how to fix the actual problems.

All I want from my college sports programs is to provide an environment for personal growth, education and equal opportunity for all the athletes involved.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

All I want from my college sports programs is to provide an environment for personal growth, education and equal opportunity for all the athletes involved.

This doesn't really affect any of those things though. They were already recruiting very well without it. We can't even say it's "proactive" when it's literally just a reaction to the movement going on and seeing other schools/states do things. I really don't care what they want to call their game overall, I just don't think this helps those they say it's helping.

 

[Orion Bailey]

This doesn't really affect any of those things though. They were already recruiting very well without it. We can't even say it's "proactive" when it's literally just a reaction to the movement going on and seeing other schools/states do things. I really don't care what they want to call their game overall, I just don't think this helps those they say it's helping.

Ill take it one step further and say I'm willing to bet( As Dviss indicated) This is just fluff and basically a slap in the face to BLM.

 

[handiman]

Recruiting is PR. They are one and the same.

Not really. PR goes into recruiting, but recruiting doesn't go into PR. Square peg, round hole.

 

[dviss1]

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

I will say it again.

Removing the name Civil War from the rivalry games between UofO and OSU has nothing to do with any of you.

Your feelings, your opinions, your donations, your families, it's not about you.

It's business. It's money. And most importantly, IT'S ABOUT RECRUITING.

Just look at football.

Ducks are vacuuming the top high school talent out of California.

Beavers are doing much better and doing great with California Junior colleges.

The Civil War moniker for rivalry games became low hanging fruit for other programs to whisper in the ears of 16, 17, and 18 yr old recruits and their parents that Oregon might be racist.

Sometimes when a kid is deciding on which program to choose something that small can make a difference.

...

And that's not even taking into account the corporate sponsors of these rivalry games that don't want their names attached to anything remotely controversial.

But sure..

Let's talk about how this is a disgrace to your great uncle Civil Cecil Johnson, and how lots of countries have civil wars, or how whatever strange tangents some of you are going off on.

This might "ruffle feathers" in here but I TRULY DGAF, even if your feathers are the ruffled ones Sly.

Stop saying it. It's fucking stupid and performative. Keep the name because changing it saves NOT ONE black life, NOR will it help our teams recruit young, black, athletic men to this RACIST state that's only 6% black.

We're sending our kids to HBCUs now.

Let's see how the NCAA figures that out while they still don't wanna pay players. Watch... Y'all are gonna see a HUGE exodus from that NCAA plantation and it's going to be amazing to see. They should keep the name because this is ringing more true everyday and history has shown:



But we're not accepting performance art nor that CLOWN Nancy Pelosi's performative bullshit. WHOEVER the fuck went and bought those Kente Cloths needs to be fired:



Now I'm happy about racist ass Aunt Jemima,



Uncle Ben, and Mrs. Butterworth, but again, it's NOT systemic change. No one gives a FUCK about "Black Lives Matter Blvd".... LITERALLY NO ONE...


Imagine if Portland didn't spend 52% of our budget on police:



There are common sense things we can take action on right now:



But can you retrain racist cops?


To the dumbasses who'll come on here and complain about looting and destruction, I'll say to you that your whole FUCKING nation was founded on a riot because muthafuckas didn't want to pay their taxes. So you folk can kindly STFU.

Bottom line:

WE WILL NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS THAN SYSTEMATIC CHANGE. WE ARE NO LONGER ASKING THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE AND BENEFIT FROM THEIR PRIVILEGE NICELY FOR SYSTEMATIC CHANGE. THESE ARE DEMANDS. WE WILL NOT REST UNTIL THOSE DEMANDS ARE MET. AND.... OUR RESISTANCE IS 35K STRONG AND 85% WHITE.

FUCK the Civil War... It didn't end slavery anyway.

 

[dviss1]

As always, you duck and dodge. You said no black person asked for the change, which isn't true, according to UO's athletic director. Instead, you focused on the second half of the original statement (saving lives) that the quote didn't apply to.



Those statements are contradictory. It can't be hurting recruiting if the Ducks are increasingly killing it in that arena.

Also, if anyone takes the Civil War term literally, the Ducks are the southern school and the one geographically symbolic of slavery, yet they're doing far better in the big recruiting states. It doesn't add up.

IDGAF about your question. You think I give a damn that somebody black asked for the change?? Really?? Why would I care about that? There's been so many black folks that didn't want to leave the plantation and will accept performative bullshit like this... So... It's not new to us. Just like we're not going to accept their black police chief, we DGAF about this either.

And frankly, YOU are ALWAYS on the wrong side of this race conversation so don't address me anymore. I'll just put you on ignore.

Everyone is saying this is stupid.

 

[dviss1]

Better to be proactive than reactive. When other schools in the Pac 12 can't get top recruits on their own merits they will find things to pick apart on the Ducks.

Hilarious. There's a kid I know right now in CA who the Ducks are recruiting. He'll be a Senior WR this year and is a baller (4.33 40 time). If the Ducks offer, they may go elsewhere because they're seriously considering an HBCU. Now if I know someone personally, how many of them are there that I don't know?

Black people are also understanding more and more how much of our history was looted and lied about. Going to an HBCU ensures black men they can go to a school and learn about their history as a REQUIRED course instead of an elective (one of the greatest examples of white privilege).

Instead of changing the name of the civil war, how about taking down the LIE that's killed more people than all the cops combined:



Who the fuck is this white man? White men are born in Bethlehem? Shiiiiiit maybe Bethlehem, PA...

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hilarious. There's a kid I know right now in CA who the Ducks are recruiting. He'll be a Senior WR this year and is a baller (4.33 40 time). If the Ducks offer, they may go elsewhere because they're seriously considering an HBCU. Now if I know someone personally, how many of them are there that I don't know?

Black people are also understanding more and more how much of our history was looted and lied about. Going to an HBCU ensures black men they can go to a school and learn about their history as a REQUIRED course instead of an elective (one of the greatest examples of white privilege).

Instead of changing the name of the civil war, how about taking down the LIE that's killed more people than all the cops combined:

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Who the fuck is this white man? White men are born in Bethlehem? Shiiiiiit maybe Bethlehem, PA...

Psalm 45:2–3 describes the Messiah as "fairer than the children of men”

None of us know for sure, but the Old Testament seems to indicate he was of fair skin.

 

[dviss1]

Psalm 45:2–3 describes the Messiah as "fairer than the children of men”

None of us know for sure, but the Old Testament seems to indicate he was of fair skin.

The messiah wasn't fucking born then.

He had brass colored feet and the hair of sheep's wool. No amount of your white fragility is going to change that.

Hilarious how you double down on the LIE that Jesus is white...

 

[dviss1]

Psalm 45:2–3 describes the Messiah as "fairer than the children of men”

None of us know for sure, but the Old Testament seems to indicate he was of fair skin.

Jesus... literally....

Revelation 1:14-15 KJV

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

As a Christian you know you know that verse.... But Christians sweep a lot of their book under the rug, like the gospel of Judas.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Jesus... literally....

Revelation 1:14-15 KJV

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

As a Christian you know you know that verse.... But Christians sweep a lot of their book under the rug, like the gospel of Judas.

Unless you believe that terrestrial (pre-resurrection) Jesus had eyes the color of a fire, this probably isn't the best passage to point to for a literal description of his human physical attributes.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The messiah wasn't fucking born then.

He had brass colored feet and the hair of sheep's wool. No amount of your white fragility is going to change that.

Hilarious how you double down on the LIE that Jesus is white...

I, like you, have no idea what color Jesus was. The old testament says fairer than men. The New Testament says dark wool hair.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I, like you, have no idea what color Jesus was. The old testament says fairer than men. The New Testament says dark wool hair.

I think its safe to say that Jesus had the same color of blood that all other humans have and that should be enough for all shouldn't it?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Jesus... literally....

Revelation 1:14-15 KJV

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

As a Christian you know you know that verse.... But Christians sweep a lot of their book under the rug, like the gospel of Judas.

Greek translation of bronze or brass is ambiguous, so not sure what that says about color. Also, 1st century middle eastern people would be of light olive complexion.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think its safe to say that Jesus had the same color of blood that all other humans have and that should be enough for all shouldn't it?

100%

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Hilarious. There's a kid I know right now in CA who the Ducks are recruiting. He'll be a Senior WR this year and is a baller (4.33 40 time). If the Ducks offer, they may go elsewhere because they're seriously considering an HBCU. Now if I know someone personally, how many of them are there that I don't know?

Black people are also understanding more and more how much of our history was looted and lied about. Going to an HBCU ensures black men they can go to a school and learn about their history as a REQUIRED course instead of an elective (one of the greatest examples of white privilege).

Instead of changing the name of the civil war, how about taking down the LIE that's killed more people than all the cops combined:

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Who the fuck is this white man? White men are born in Bethlehem? Shiiiiiit maybe Bethlehem, PA...

My feathers arent ruffled at all man. I definitely have some issues with BLM though. Its not all just ‘riots’ and stuff though, sure I dont want people’s livelihoods and life’s taken from riots black or white.

Up to the part about making Black Lives Matter as much as any one else’s Im all for that. Systematic changes to some things that have been really bad for Blacks and other minorities too, change them.
Not just policing, but the justice system in general is a mess that even in places it might not be corrupt it’s built so that it can be easily corrupted. Judges, police, DA’s, lawyers, prisons all that stuff needs fixed.

In my opinion (which I know you probably dont care about), there are a lot of other things attached that Im not really on board with though. I realize you’re a socialist and I can respect your opinions, but Im not and many of the things Ive read and seen say people don't really want us there if we aren't fully on board with those political ideologies.

Sometime we should talk, maybe you can help me understand your POV better. Itd probably do more good than trying to express ourselves on message boards.

Hope you and your son are doing well.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think its safe to say that Jesus had the same color of blood that all other humans have and that should be enough for all shouldn't it?

The inside of any person head (Brain) looks the same too.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The inside of any person head (Brain) looks the same too.

This is true. However blood all flows the same(barring a disease) but all brains work differently.

 

[dviss1]

Unless you believe that terrestrial (pre-resurrection) Jesus had eyes the color of a fire, this probably isn't the best passage to point to for a literal description of his human physical attributes.

Well, when your book leaves out the first 33 years of his life...

What's Jesus Hebrew name? Any white folk have that name?

Stop. Amazing how white people don't understand how racist and destructive the white depiction of Jesus is...

Must be a privilege...

This is part of the reason I don't come here to post often. I literally deal with soft racism while I'm here by people that cannot fathom that they're doing it...

 

[dviss1]

Greek translation of bronze or brass is ambiguous, so not sure what that says about color. Also, 1st century middle eastern people would be of light olive complexion.

Greeks and Romans were

My feathers arent ruffled at all man. I definitely have some issues with BLM though. Its not all just ‘riots’ and stuff though, sure I dont want people’s livelihoods and life’s taken from riots black or white.

Up to the part about making Black Lives Matter as much as any one else’s Im all for that. Systematic changes to some things that have been really bad for Blacks and other minorities too, change them.
Not just policing, but the justice system in general is a mess that even in places it might not be corrupt it’s built so that it can be easily corrupted. Judges, police, DA’s, lawyers, prisons all that stuff needs fixed.

In my opinion (which I know you probably dont care about), there are a lot of other things attached that Im not really on board with though. I realize you’re a socialist and I can respect your opinions, but Im not and many of the things Ive read and seen say people don't really want us there if we aren't fully on board with those political ideologies.

Sometime we should talk, maybe you can help me understand your POV better. Itd probably do more good than trying to express ourselves on message boards.

Hope you and your son are doing well.

Capitalism has always needed socialism to stay afloat.

Every time it fails, socialism is right there to bail it out and no one goes to prison for stealing our money on the front end, middle end, and back end.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well, when your book leaves out the first 33 years of his life...

What's Jesus Hebrew name? Any white folk have that name?

Stop. Amazing how white people don't understand how racist and destructive the white depiction of Jesus is...

Must be a privilege...

This is part of the reason I don't come here to post often. I literally deal with soft racism while I'm here by people that cannot fathom that they're doing it...

Amazing how stating that scripture really doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like somehow equates to "soft racism".

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Greeks and Romans were


Capitalism has always needed socialism to stay afloat.

Every time it fails, socialism is right there to bail it out and no one goes to prison for stealing our money on the front end, middle end, and back end.

I understand, but it doesn't have to be either-or. Most successful societies I think need a well regulated (socialism) version of capitalism while using that capitalism to help the society prosper. I wish at some point we could talk IRL about some of this. I'm willing to listen and try to learn your perspective have some empathy. Cause I understand my life experiences as a white guy certainly is different than yours as a black man. I have legit after our very first encounter anyways, liked and respected you and in person, I think you're a great dude. I have been around some of the BLM stuff in Forest Grove though I don't think it's going on anymore could be wrong but the guy who was organizing it seemed to have stopped. I know in every area the... demands are different and there are different things going on, but I was very much getting the hey if you aren't basically willing to accept the far-left politics we don't want you here vibes, and some of the protests were barely even talking about Black Lives even though they were holding some signs.

You brought up Malcolm X earlier but honestly my experiences (albeit in kind of a remote corner of a remote state), totally reminded me of what he said. Which talking about something that might ruffle some feathers...

“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

― Malcolm X

 

[Mediocre Man]

Amazing how stating that scripture really doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like somehow equates to "soft racism".

Ya, I don’t get that either.