Oregon State, Oregon agree not to use the term ‘Civil War’ for its sports rivalry games

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handiman said:
It wasn't meant literally, but I do think this move would be much tougher to make if sports were on the front burner right now. It's opportunistic on several fronts.
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OH gotcha. Yep. I agree.
 
Performance progressivism. This accomplishes nothing, and anyone following either school is going to continue calling it the Civil War. Similar to the OU-Texas game being changed to Red River Rivalry several years ago. It's still the Red River Shootout.
 
civ·il war
/ˌsivil ˈwô(ə)r/
noun
a war between citizens of the same country.
"they signed a peace accord ending the country's 12-year civil war"
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
You know, people who lose the game will feel bad. We should not have a winner or anything like that. Just a participation trophy for all involved.

Instead of playing the game, they can take a knee and then fight social injustices.
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if we don’t get a vaccine it won’t matter what we call it cuz it won’t happen without butts in seats.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Why the need to associate it with anything more than an inner state civil war game?

People want to overreach and connect shit that doesn't really have a tie.


Do we need to outlaw White Bread?

If anyone associates a football game with the American Civil war because its called a civil war rivalry, is waaayyy reaching for something to be offended over.
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Honestly I think your right, we have to rename white bread.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Honestly I think your right, we have to rename white bread.
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How about white chocolate?

White Sugar?


White Paint?


If we, as a people, are too stupid to distinguish the difference between calling people of any color "a color" vs inanimate objects for better descriptiveness to associate with (dark chocolate vs.white chocolate),
then we are soo far worse off than I even thought.

Its fucking summer but the snowflakes are spreading like its the snowpacolypse of the century!

I don't mean to demean the BLM movement by any means, but I think it should be stuck with humans and items innacurately depicting historical events.

Do we need to rename the Black Panther and the Albina Leopards?

Should White Salmon be changed?

Should White people be changed to being called various peachytoned people?


Overkill people.
 
Yeah it’s stupid but doesn’t matter to me really.
Might as well sell the game advertising rights and make some money and donate some of the proceeds to a good cause.
Nike/Reser Cup
 
SportsAndWhine said:
if we don’t get a vaccine it won’t matter what we call it cuz it won’t happen without butts in seats.
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I am not sure I buy that. Maybe for this year. But I find it hard to believe college and professional sports will just go away forever if we don't get a vaccine. And there is a decent chance we won't get one that is 100% effective.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am not sure I buy that. Maybe for this year. But I find it hard to believe college and professional sports will just go away forever if we don't get a vaccine. And there is a decent chance we won't get one that is 100% effective.
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You have a point that American sports fans will generally be the type willing to catch a deadly illness to own the libs, but after how quickly the case counts have spiked after reopening, I think very large, risk averse institutions like sports leagues will be reluctant to stuff 20,000-80,000 people into sports stadiums for three hours at a time. And we don’t know if crowdless games are going to be compelling TV yet. A lot points vaguely toward a pessimistic new reality.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
You have a point that American sports fans will generally be the type willing to catch a deadly illness to own the libs, but after how quickly the case counts have spiked after reopening, I think very large, risk averse institutions like sports leagues will be reluctant to stuff 20,000-80,000 people into sports stadiums for three hours at a time. And we don’t know if crowdless games are going to be compelling TV yet. A lot points vaguely toward a pessimistic new reality.
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Well, we are a bunch of cockroaches, we will adapt. I get that some internet posters could stay in their parent's basement forever without coming up to see the sun, but most people need to socialize. A restaurant is probably more dangerous than a stadium. You have to take off your mask to eat. My guess is masks will also evolve so they are more comfortable (and stylish) to wear. (We are vain cockroaches) Either way, sporting events are not going away forever......too much money is involved.

As for crowdless games, some networks mute the crowd noise so much already it is hard to even notice they are there unless they pan the crowd. Again too much money is involved not to.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well, we are a bunch of cockroaches, we will adapt. I get that some internet posters could stay in their parent's basement forever without coming up to see the sun, but most people need to socialize. A restaurant is probably more dangerous than a stadium. You have to take off your mask to eat. My guess is masks will also evolve so they are more comfortable (and stylish) to wear. (We are vain cockroaches) Either way, sporting events are not going away forever......too much money is involved.

As for crowdless games, some networks mute the crowd noise so much already it is hard to even notice they are there unless they pan the crowd. Again too much money is involved not to.
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Money is not an excuse anymore.....and people can socialize this day and age much better from isolation than ever before...we're doing it right here. Cell phones and tech have actually made this easy....people just need immediate gratification and they should be reflecting on how to avoid this getting worse....it's only been a few months for Christ sake....people on the spacestation survive long stretches without social entertainment because they have technology to connect. If this pandemic spreads more, that money is going to lose a ton of value overnight like it did before the great depression...social gatherings could expediate the onslaught of the next great depression..I don't buy that any of it is necessary until we have a proven, reliable vaccine...buy food not tickets....the food harvest this fall is going to be horrible as most was left to rot in the field as it stands...
 
riverman said:
Money is not an excuse anymore.....and people can socialize this day and age much better from isolation than ever before...we're doing it right here. Cell phones and tech have actually made this easy....people just need immediate gratification and they should be reflecting on how to avoid this getting worse....it's only been a few months for Christ sake....people on the spacestation survive long stretches without social entertainment because they have technology to connect. If this pandemic spreads more, that money is going to lose a ton of value overnight like it did before the great depression...social gatherings could expediate the onslaught of the next great depression..I don't buy that any of it is necessary until we have a proven, reliable vaccine...buy food not tickets....the food harvest this fall is going to be horrible as most was left to rot in the field as it stands...
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Like you said it has only been 4 months. I am not talking about this year. I am talking long term. Sporting events are NOT going away forever if a vaccine is never developed. And it might never be developed.

And even if money is devalued like you allude to, it is always important. Someone needs to pay their taxes so all those who are out of work get assistance. Sports generates a ton of tax revenue. The more likely scenario of expediting the next Great Depression is keeping the unemployment rate high. We need tax dollars more than ever.....and not only from the top 1%.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Like you said it has only been 4 months. I am not talking about this year. I am talking long term. Sporting events are NOT going away forever if a vaccine is never developed. And it might never be developed.

And even if money is devalued like you allude to, it is always important. Someone needs to pay their taxes so all those who are out of work get assistance. Sports generates a ton of tax revenue. The more likely scenario of expediting the next Great Depression is keeping the unemployment rate high. We need tax dollars more than ever.....and not only from the top 1%.
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Let's start with billionaires keeping tax shelters overseas in the Caymans or Cypress....the wealthiest in our nation are not paying enough tax..Trump won't even show his taxes......athletes will return and they will still pay taxes but money value is going to tank from what we're seeing....this next election will determine a lot when it comes to that.....we have enough in a bloated military budget to bail out our country until this is over....instead we build a fucking wall and start Space Force!
 
riverman said:
Let's start with billionaires keeping tax shelters overseas in the Caymans or Cypress....the wealthiest in our nation are not paying enough tax.Trump won't even show his taxes......athletes will return and they will still pay taxes but money value is going to tank from what we're seeing....this next election will determine a lot when it comes to that.....we have enough in a bloated military budget to bail out our country until this is over....instead we build a fucking wall and start Space Force!
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I don't really disagree with anything you just said. We most definitely need a smaller military budget (Which both fucking political parties never seem to end up reducing by much) AND we need certain billionaires to pay their fair share (Many do by the way)

But we can't rely on just that. Not with all the other government subsidies that are coming our way. I was no math major but even I can see that.
 
Orion Bailey said:
How about white chocolate?

White Sugar?


White Paint?


If we, as a people, are too stupid to distinguish the difference between calling people of any color "a color" vs inanimate objects for better descriptiveness to associate with (dark chocolate vs.white chocolate),
then we are soo far worse off than I even thought.

Its fucking summer but the snowflakes are spreading like its the snowpacolypse of the century!

I don't mean to demean the BLM movement by any means, but I think it should be stuck with humans and items innacurately depicting historical events.

Do we need to rename the Black Panther and the Albina Leopards?

Should White Salmon be changed?

Should White people be changed to being called various peachytoned people?


Overkill people.
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What is a Person of Color? White is the combination of all colors. Black is the absence of color. Just sayin'.
 
Eastoff said:
I don't think uofo has any civil engineer though... Do they even have engineers?!
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BlazerBeav said:
Performance progressivism. This accomplishes nothing, and anyone following either school is going to continue calling it the Civil War. Similar to the OU-Texas game being changed to Red River Rivalry several years ago. It's still the Red River Shootout.
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I think you are correct.
 
So I don't really give a shit what a game is nicknamed. That doesn't really mean anything. If a lot of people are offended by the term "Civil War" and that makes the schools want to get rid of that traditional nickname for the game, then go for it. That being said, acting like the U.S. Civil War between the Union and Confederacy is the only war ever to be called a civil war is absolute nationalist bullshit. It's so typically us (I would say American but even us calling ourselves American when there are well over 30 countries in the Americas is so incredibly nationalistic and self-centered) to think "our" civil war defines the term and the issues involved with and being fought over in that specific civil war are inseparable from the term civil war. A civil war is defined as a war between citizens of the same country... I'm going to add ANY COUNTRY just for clarity. Again, no big deal about not calling the UofO OSU game "the civil war", just wanted to vent about how ridiculous it is that we tend to think of things in terms only specific to the U.S.A.
 
I’m still gonna call it the civil war just like I say Rose Garden, it’s dumb to change it but they’re gonna do it anyway.

I suggest they call it The WARegon Derby
 
blazerkor said:
So I don't really give a shit what a game is nicknamed. That doesn't really mean anything. If a lot of people are offended by the term "Civil War" and that makes the schools want to get rid of that traditional nickname for the game, then go for it. That being said, acting like the U.S. Civil War between the Union and Confederacy is the only war ever to be called a civil war is absolute nationalist bullshit. It's so typically us (I would say American but even us calling ourselves American when there are well over 30 countries in the Americas is so incredibly nationalistic and self-centered) to think "our" civil war defines the term and the issues involved with and being fought over in that specific civil war are inseparable from the term civil war. A civil war is defined as a war between citizens of the same country... I'm going to add ANY COUNTRY just for clarity. Again, no big deal about not calling the UofO OSU game "the civil war", just wanted to vent about how ridiculous it is that we tend to think of things in terms only specific to the U.S.A.
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Oh and just so I'm clear I am all for canceling terms exclusively related to slavery and the antebellum south. That period of U.S. history, especially in that area is despicable and should never be celebrated, in my opinion. The Confederacy, regardless of people saying the war was not about slavery, were fighting to continue slavery. So I don't think that heritage when it even smells of a hint of slavery can be celebrated. Get rid of all government owned Confederate monuments, all government flags that celebrate that period and culture, and everything else (there's a whole lot of it) that oppresses black people or celebrates any part of that oppression.
 
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