Orthopedic Surgeon writes in to Blazersedge

[Natebishop3]

And all you and the other geniuses around here said was Brandon is fine, there's nothing to be concerned about, just wait until the season starts, yada yada yada.


Nope. What I knew all along was that he wasn't giving a full effort, and now we know why.

You can't yada, yada, bone on bone!

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[RR7]

I've yada yada'd bone on bone.

 

[BGrantFan]

I still think the preseason is useless, injury or not to Roy.

 

[Minstrel]

Well, if his disappearing act was caused by the knee problem, and he would have been playing harder if he could, then that means he disagrees with you and every other genius who thinks it's not important to play hard during the preseason. You were applauding him for "disappearing," when in fact he didn't want to disappear at all!

I didn't say any of that, actually. I have no idea whether he would have played harder had he two fresh knees. The idea that heart and desire is illustrated by pre-season play is silly. Further, I actually made the point back then that, with Roy's past injury issues, I'd prefer he took it easier in pre-season so as not to add further beating to his body over games that don't help the franchise at all.

Essentially what I'm saying is you managed to be wrong in two ways: 1. that pre-season play measures heart and, uh, non-patheticness (new word, copyright), and 2. even if they did, Roy was struggling with knee issues, making your frothing-at-the-mouth attacks on him even sillier.

The fact that you are now trumpeting your epic embarrassment in that thread as prescience is just gold.

 

[Shooter]

Lets not act like you haven't had a vendetta against Roy for some time either. I rememeber you chiding him for having a kid before he was married and his role in that rap video. The reason you made that thread had little to do with Brandon coasting through a preseason.

Wow. That's all. Just wow. Brandon Roy is probably my favorite player on the team. I used to have a picture of him for my avatar. If I could get a bobble-head doll of him, I'd put it on my car dashboard. I am devasted by this injury, and I've been moping for the last two days.

The fact that I criticized Roy a couple of times is irrelevant. You apparently don't know me at all (which is understandable), but I just call it like I see it. Right now I'm hoping that this is all just a bad dream, and the old Brandon Roy is going to be out there on the court tonight against Memphis, launching crazy drives to the hoop and hitting rainbow jump shots.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

This thread was going along great until the children trolls got out of grade school, came home and got into daddy's liquor cabinet. But, it's an old story here.

 

[LittleAlex]

I'm not sure this changes anything. The fact remains that Brandon Roy has a very painful knee condition that limits his effectiveness on the court. I commented on his less-than-100% effort in the pre-season (for which I was blasted) and it's become obvious that he is not the same player now that the regular season is underway.

Medical explanations are helpful, but I suspect that this knee condition will never go away, and that Roy will have to adjust his play accordingly. That means less cutting, driving, jumping, twisting, and more set-up jump shots. He may make this transition successfully, but we've already seen what a radically different player he is this season.

Congratulations are in order.

You were half correct, Roy wasn't himself but the problem was his knee not his attitude.

But hey, why quibble.

You were right on the money.
Good for you.

Too bad for the team, though.

 

[Natebishop3]

Wow. That's all. Just wow. Brandon Roy is probably my favorite player on the team. I used to have a picture of him for my avatar. If I could get a bobble-head doll of him, I'd put it on my car dashboard. I am devasted by this injury, and I've been moping for the last two days.

The fact that I criticized Roy a couple of times is irrelevant. You apparently don't know me at all (which is understandable), but I just call it like I see it. Right now I'm hoping that this is all just a bad dream, and the old Brandon Roy is going to be out there on the court tonight against Memphis, launching crazy drives to the hoop and hitting rainbow jump shots.

I'm pretty sure they ruled him out for tonight's game...

 

[Minstrel]

The fact that I criticized Roy a couple of times is irrelevant.

The fact that you called him heartless, pathetic and, last year, levied the greatest insult in your mind against him, un-American, is irrelevant. You love that guy. Just a little constructive criticism.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You must be loaded. My surgeon lives in a multi-million dollar house on Mt. Scott. He's a great guy, genuine, great bedside manner and doesn't sugar coat. But, he still won't let me hang out with him. I really want to play with all his toys too.

Not loaded at all. You have to understand that Houston's realty is light years different than Portland's......especially 5 years ago. We lived in Clackamas, off of 152nd, in a semi upper middle class neighborhood. We got in to our house at the right time (190k), and sold it 3 years after living there for 330k. Here in the Houston suburb where I live, we took 180k of that money and put it down on a house that was 400k, and over twice as big as the house we lived in up there in Portland, with all the goodies (pool, spa, media room, big yard, etc.) So with my payments staying the same as they were in Portland, we went from 2500 SF to 5200 SF with more stuff. Sugar Land is in Fort Bend county, which either last year, or the year before that was one of the most affluent counties in the country......none of that has anything to do with me though. A lot of Astros Texans and Rockets live in Sugar Land because it is the easiest trip to Houston via the fucked up freeways here


So no, not loaded at all, but lucky to have bought and sold when I did. Think of me as the cousin Eddie of Sugar Land

 

[BGrantFan]

Completely on a tangent here, but in college we had a guy in our frat who we called Shooter. He earned this nickname by nutting in his pants when some hottie was trying to get with him at a party, and he made the mistake of telling somebody about it.

He is still known as Shooter to most of his friends from school.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You can't yada, yada, bone on bone!

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he mentioned the effort

 

[BGrantFan]

The fact that you called him heartless, pathetic and, last year, levied the greatest insult in your mind against him, un-American, is irrelevant. You love that guy. Just a little constructive criticism.

Luv it 'er leave it!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Completely on a tangent here, but in college we had a guy in our frat who we called Shooter. He earned this nickname by nutting in his pants when some hottie was trying to get with him at a party, and he made the mistake of telling somebody about it.

He is still known as Shooter to most of his friends from school.

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[MickZagger]

Not loaded at all. You have to understand that Houston's realty is light years different than Portland's......especially 5 years ago. We lived in Clackamas, off of 152nd, in a semi upper middle class neighborhood. We got in to our house at the right time (190k), and sold it 3 years after living there for 330k. Here in the Houston suburb where I live, we took 180k of that money and put it down on a house that was 400k, and over twice as big as the house we lived in up there in Portland, with all the goodies (pool, spa, media room, big yard, etc.) So with my payments staying the same as they were in Portland, we went from 2500 SF to 5200 SF with more stuff. Sugar Land is in Fort Bend county, which either last year, or the year before that was one of the most affluent counties in the country......none of that has anything to do with me though. A lot of Astros Texans and Rockets live in Sugar Land because it is the easiest trip to Houston via the fucked up freeways here


So no, not loaded at all, but lucky to have bought and sold when I did. Think of me as the cousin Eddie of Sugar Land

Media room? Is that where you have teleconference's with all your 'sources'?


Seriously though, its amazing how much cheaper it is to live in the midwest and the south. Tomorrow I'm heading to St. Louis for a week, I have rich relatives out there. They have an 8,000sq ft house that would be probably double what it cost them if they were on the west coast.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Media room? Is that where you have teleconference's with all your 'sources'?


Seriously though, its amazing how much cheaper it is to live in the midwest and the south.

It's totally cheaper, and it's where I video conference. Get it right please......

Hahaha, it's actually where my kids have taken over because that's where the video games are.

 

[Shooter]

Essentially what I'm saying is you managed to be wrong in two ways: 1. that pre-season play measures heart . . .

What kind of logic is that? Roy's injury situation has nothing to do with whether or not NBA players should play "with heart" during the preseason. The only thing it may prove is that ROY wasn't playing that way due to his knee issues. LeBron James, Dwight Howard, and many other big stars played with a lot of heart during the preseason and had some great all-around games. The fact that those games didn't count, and yet they STILL played hard, is impressive. At the very least, they respected the paying fans who came out to watch them.

2.Roy was struggling with knee issues, making your frothing-at-the-mouth attacks on him even sillier.

Yes, if I had only known that Roy was struggling with knee issues, I would have been as smart as you. Here is what you told us back then:

we already know Roy will be great once the games count.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/171597-What-s-wrong-with-Roy

So Roy has not been great, and you completely discounted the significance of his performance in the preseason, and yet I am the silly one? Do I have that right?

 

[Shooter]

Completely on a tangent here, but in college we had a guy in our frat who we called Shooter. He earned this nickname by nutting in his pants when some hottie was trying to get with him at a party, and he made the mistake of telling somebody about it.

He is still known as Shooter to most of his friends from school.

Great story! One of your fraternity brothers admitted a problem he had and you and your buddies turned him into a laughingstock. That's really cool!! I'm sure you made his life at college very rewarding.

 

[MickZagger]

Great story! One of your fraternity brothers admitted a problem he had and you and your buddies turned him into a laughingstock. That's really cool!! I'm sure you made his life at college very rewarding.

Its almost as good of a story as the time in college when that liberal t-bagged you while you were sleeping and drew penis on your forehead.

 

[Shooter]

Its almost as good of a story as the time in college when that liberal t-bagged you while you were sleeping and drew penis on your forehead.

Sounds like something you might do.

 

[Minstrel]

Yes, if I had only known that Roy was struggling with knee issues, I would have been as smart as you. Here is what you told us back then

I didn't say your posts in that thread were silly for not knowing he was injured, so the fact that I didn't know it either means pretty much nothing. I said they were silly for your attacks on Roy's character. Those were silly with or without the injury...the injury just makes your attacks look all the dumber.

So Roy has not been great, and you completely discounted the significance of his performance in the preseason

Roy has not been great due to injury. I discounted the idea that not playing well in pre-season is significant (and means the player is pathetic and heartless), because it's not significant. Having an injury is certainly significant, but that isn't what you were claiming. Had your thread point been, "I think Roy is struggling in pre-season due to injury," you'd be vindicated...except you wouldn't have been savaged for that because that, while speculative, wouldn't have been silly moralizing.

and yet I am the silly one? Do I have that right?

Yes. Glad we at least finished on the same page.

 

[Blazinaway]

Another bone on bone take from Blazersedge

"Berger: American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons Spokesman On Brandon Roy's Knees

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com spoke with an orthopedic heavy-hitter to get more insight into what Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy is facing with his knees....

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Brandon Roy’s future with bone-on-bone in both knees bears watching, given that his game is based on getting to the basket and he’s only 26 – with a lot of mileage theoretically ahead of him. But Dr. Nicholas DiNubile, spokesman for the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons and former consultant to the Philadelphia 76ers, said it depends on the extent of the damage and where it is. After his latest bout with knee swelling and pain last week, Roy learned that surgery was not an option because he has no meniscus left in either knee. DiNubile said Roy’s fate will be determined by whether he lacks cartilage, too. "It would be extremely unlikely at that age to have no meniscus and no cartilage," DiNubile said. Whether the bone-on-bone condition is occurring in the actual knee joint (bad) or under the kneecap (still bad, but better) also is important. If the bone-on-bone situation is where the tibia meets the femur, "You’re kind of doomed," DiNubile said. "That’s not compatible with up-and-down playing. If he were to have bone-on-bone in the main part of his knee, his career’s going to be limited one way or the other." If the condition exists in the kneecap, DiNubile said athletes "can do surprisingly well."

 

[Minstrel]

So...it depends on precisely how serious Roy's situation is, which is still to be determined.

I was told that everything had been determined, by a pretty notable S2 doctor/medical analyst.