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Miami has some good talent. Bosh, Deng, Wade (I assume), McRoberts, Granger......
I am anxious to see how Bosh performs as the #1 player on that team.
Definitely will make the playoffs in the east.
 
tlongII said:
:lol: Miami will be lucky to make the playoffs.
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Dude it's the east, Orlando has a shot at making the playoffs.

The Brooklyn nets won't make the playoffs next year, and the Cavs will take their place, the heat won't be the team missing the playoffs.

1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Cavs
4. Knicks

East will be much stronger next season, thankfully.
 
The Wizards will finish the regular season with the best record in the east.

But they'll lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
Defense usually translates to all levels. Very, very rarely is it that you're a GREAT college defender and average/less than average in the NBA. Actually, it never happens.

Draft analysts say its one thing you KNOW will translate to the NBA level for sure, and it was also a reason people had Wiggins rated higher than Parker, because he'll be an ELITE NBA level defender from day 1 guarding the 1-3 positions. You can even watch the NBA draft and that is one thing the panel unanimously agreed on - he's a great defender and will be from day 1 in the NBA, and they pointed to that as a reason Cleveland had to select him.

Kinda like how Tony Allen was picked by the Celtics purely because of his defense, he has no offensive game to speak of. They know what translates and what doesn't. He's a great defender and he will be in the NBA as well.
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Cole Aldrich big 12 defensive player of the year 2009
 
BigGameDamian said:
Cleveland but they have always had something go wrong. When it comes to sports the just have had such bad luck in the past. It'll be interesting.
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Not this year. Titles aside, which I know is all that matters for some, everything is gone all right for them.

Johnny Manziel, Andrew Wiggins, LeBron James. The Cavs especially, it seems like God has made them the center of the basketball universe since LeBrons departure.
 
I don't know why melo didn't go to the bulls.

If drose is healthy they will be scary.
 
[mQUOTE=Fonzthecpt1;3396380]I don't know why melo didn't go to the bulls.

If drose is healthy they will be scary.[/QUOTE]

Tom Penn said on Mike & Mike that he would earn literally half of what he could in NY. 129m vs 65m
 
Mediocre Man said:
[mQUOTE=Fonzthecpt1;3396380]I don't know why melo didn't go to the bulls.

If drose is healthy they will be scary.
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Tom Penn said on Mike & Mike that he would earn literally half of what he could in NY. 129m vs 65m[/QUOTE]

Well he can use that extra money to buy the ring he will never win because of this decision, but it won't be his own.
 
lawai'a said:
Cole Aldrich big 12 defensive player of the year 2009
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Whom averages 2.6 blocks per 36 minutes, 1 steal, 11 rebounds, and has a DRTG of 102.

Probably not a good example especially if you look at the games he actually got minutes in...

And to everyone else I wouldn't say winning X conference D POTY is the same as being projected to be an elite wing defender in the NBA. In college its more about the system, the NBA game is completely different.

Wiggins has length, athleticism, and was a supremely gifted one on one defender in the NCAA as well.
 
Strenuus said:
Mook pretty much stole my example... and I'll have to do research to really get down to it... but I just do not believe that to be the case. Faster, stronger, much better and smarter players... no "nights off" will get to them... And when it comes to the media, they have an agenda to "pimp" a player, so I always take what they say with a grain of salt... Ex: If he's a great defender they'll try to take a positive spin to it.
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It will be a tough task finding a player who was regarded as an elite defender who doesn't translate to one in the NBA, especially with the athleticism that Wiggins has. The "best" example I could think of Hasheem Thabeet, whom was a COMPLETE bust and didn't have near the athleticm Wiggins has. If I could, I'd revise my statement to be it is easier to project a "wing" defender in the NBA, because of what I mentioned in my previous post. If you have all-world athleticism, you're still more athletic than most people in the NBA and defense tends to be about effort, pride, and how hard you're willing to work. Very, very rarely does it just disappear. It is also much easier to remain a good defender on the wing rather than as a big - bigs have to worry about timing much more as the finishing in the L is much better around the rim than college.

Also, I'd add that conference/NCAA player of the year is very skewed towards big men with the exception of the last couple years (Aaron Craft, Oladipo).
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
Pretty much this.

And Stephenson, from the sounds of it, is gonna get PAID by someone who loses out in free agency with big money.

Even so, it's hard to bet against any team with LeBron. Truthfully, having a REAL PG (and a damn good one at that, Kyrie), might make LeBron an even better player than he already is, which is insane, by alleviating some PG duties from him.

Also, Wiggins, Kyrie, LeBron are all VERY, VERY good defenders for the most part and so is a healthy Varejao.
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Kyrie is very, very good at defense? He is terrrrrrrible! Was that a typo?
 
I'd have to go with Cavs moving up, Miami decent but not championship, Pacers moving down, Bulls & Wizards improved. I have little faith in the Knicks. I do think that while the West will still be better the East won't be as "doormat" as they were last season.

Also we have yet to see where Kevin Love ends up. But it seems top FAs have mostly gone/stayed East, which is a relief, I guess - none of our rivals in the West have really gotten stronger.
 
1. Pacers: I'm assuming the Pacers bring back lance and if they do they will be the same defensive beast of a team that has offense issues. Every other "powerhouse" in the east switched up there rosters but the pacers have shown to have a good blueprint for how to win in the playoffs and it may have not succeeded in getting to the NBA finals but with 2 back to back ECF appearances and pretty much the same team coming back you have to give them the #1 seed.
2. Cavs: It will take awhile to get that team running and they may struggle at times this year but when you have good pieces around the best player in the league they will win regardless. I think they will make the ECF but end up losing it.
3. Maimi: Still a very talented team. If Wade can play 60+ games at a high level they are still going to be a tough team. Can CB be the #1 option and the vocal point of the defense as well is the question.
4. Chicago: The Bulls look good on paper with adding Gasol but I can't put them any higher until I see how good DRose looks and how long it takes the team to get used to playing him with again.
5. Toronto: There going to try and not suck out the gates this year. A good young team that could show a lot of improvement but it is going to rely on several young players to show great improvement for The Raptors to improve.
6: Wizards: They kept most of their core from last season but Losing Ariza and Webster being injured is going to make this team struggle.
7. Hornets: While I dont' think they are done making moves their young lottery players are going to have show something if they want to take a further step forward. I expected them to toss a huge offer sheet at Stephenson but I guess MJ saw how crazy he was and passed as well
8. Nets: Getting Lopez back healthy will be a great addition but losing Paul Pierce and Shaun Livingston are huge. If Williams cannot stay healthy the Nets are screwed.
 
who is going to get monroe? has there even been a rumor yet?
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
It will be a tough task finding a player who was regarded as an elite defender who doesn't translate to one in the NBA, especially with the athleticism that Wiggins has. The "best" example I could think of Hasheem Thabeet, whom was a COMPLETE bust and didn't have near the athleticm Wiggins has. If I could, I'd revise my statement to be it is easier to project a "wing" defender in the NBA, because of what I mentioned in my previous post. If you have all-world athleticism, you're still more athletic than most people in the NBA and defense tends to be about effort, pride, and how hard you're willing to work. Very, very rarely does it just disappear. It is also much easier to remain a good defender on the wing rather than as a big - bigs have to worry about timing much more as the finishing in the L is much better around the rim than college.

Also, I'd add that conference/NCAA player of the year is very skewed towards big men with the exception of the last couple years (Aaron Craft, Oladipo).
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Fair enough. I see where you're coming from.

Just an aside, I love me some Oladipo... that'll be the next big thing out of Orlando since Dwight, I think. That kid is money.
 
Strenuus said:
Someone not named BGD, perhaps?
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Oh man, the joke fell flat. Let me spell it out...

1 - BGD said: LMA > Bosh

2 - Whatever BGD says, the opposite is always true.

3 - Therefore Bosh is indeed better than LMA.

The proof is in the pudding!
 
blue9 said:
Oh man, the joke fell flat. Let me spell it out...

1 - BGD said: LMA > Bosh

2 - Whatever BGD says, the opposite is always true.

3 - Therefore Bosh is indeed better than LMA.

The proof is in the pudding!
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Apparently my joke did too. :lol:
 
East powers:

1. Pacers
2. Heat
3. Cavs
4. Wizards

Assuming Pacers get Lance back. Heat will be better balanced team without LeBron IMO. Bosh and Wade will have bigger roles. Still talented players.
Don't look past the Wiz. If Beal arrives - they'll be really good!!
 
CHI will either be Top 4 or in the lotto.
 
I rank them as follows
CLE
WAS
CHI

IND
ATL
TOR
BKN
MIA
 
1) Bulls
2) Cavs
3) Pacers
4) Heat
5) Wiz
6) Hawks
7) Raps
8) Hornets

Book it
 
Strenuus said:
Really? It's one thing to be a great college defender, but how do we know Wiggins is going to be a good NBA defender? That's awfully presumptuous for 0 minutes in the NBA to say he's a VERY VERY good defender like a Lebron.
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Some players seem as if they have that natural instinct for the ball, knowing how each play develops and always positioning themselves to make the best defensive stop possible.

I was pretty sure Dieng would become a good defensive player in the NBA. He showed why during the second half of the season for the T'Wolves.
 
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