OT: Bulls looking to move Noah? ('Tone called this one last week)

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hampered by salary cap struggles, the Bulls may look to move the mega contracts of Joakim Noah and Luol Deng.

Deng is set to earn roughly $14.2 million, while Noah will take in $11.1 million.

“I want to emphasize I have not heard that they plan to do this, this is just my speculation,” Johnson said. “Joakim, clearly of the core, has the most value, given that his salary is the lowest and he’s also the most effective player. Deng might have a little bit of value to the right team, especially because he has less years on his deal.

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Bulls fans can thank Carlos Boozer for this.

 

[Blaze01]

I like him, wouldn't trade both draft picks for him though....

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I don't think he's an option for the Blazers -- too expensive.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I'm luke warm on him. I think 11 million is too much.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'm luke warm on him. I think 11 million is too much.

Not only is his contract too expensive so will the asking price the Bulls would want in return.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Not only is his contract too expensive so will the asking price the Bulls would want in return.

This is my thought. I would probably rather have Noah at 11/yr vs. Batum at 10/yr. But not only do you ahve to pay Noah 11/yr, you have to give up value to get him.

Probably can't offer what Bulls want or not willing to give it up. Sign and trade with Batum?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That defeats the purpose of their cap issues and the reason why Noah and Deng could be dealt.

 

[PapaG]

Chicago has Coach Thibs! They don't need good players.

 

[Masbee]

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Bulls fans can thank Carlos Boozer for this.

Bulls fans can thank a cheap and greedy ownership for this.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Chicago has Coach Thibs! They don't need good players.

They have yet to offer Thibs an extension.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think it depends on what they want to do. If they are simply looking to clear cap space, and were willing to take a bath on what they got in return, I would seriously consider eating up our cap space and take both players. I think a trade would work under the cap if we sent them Wesley/11th and they traded us Deng and Noah. It would kill our space for the summer, but we'd get our center and we could move Batum to the shooting guard spot. The only problem would be point guard. Maybe draft Marshall and then make a lowball offer to Dre and see if he'll come back for a couple years.

Miller/Marshall
Batum/Williams
Deng/Babbitt
Aldridge/Hickson
Noah/Thomas

Obviously the Bulls wouldn't be getting near the value that Noah is worth, but they'd be clearing 19 million off their cap and they'd get Wes and a lotto pick. I don't know if they'd bite, but I think Noah/Deng would be better than we could do in free agency.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That's not the direction we need to go into.

Paul Allen no longer wants to toss out money like no tomorrow -- he now wants to be smart about this team. No more throwing out big money for role players (Wes?)

We need to build for the future; this team is about three years away if we play our cards right. IMO, you go Cousins (21) over Noah (27) and build around his low-post game.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's not the direction we need to go into.

Paul Allen no longer wants to toss out money like no tomorrow -- he now wants to be smart about this team. No more throwing out big money for role players (Wes?)

We need to build for the future; this team is about three years away if we play our cards right. IMO, you go Cousins (21) over Noah (27) and build around his low-post game.

Well, I'm thinking Noah/Deng would fit more into what the Blazers are supposedly wanting to do. They want to put veteran players around Aldridge and Paul wants to win now. Getting Cousins doesn't really achieve that. Getting Noah/Deng would definitely put us back in the playoffs, but I'm not sure if we would be good enough to win it all. We'd still be missing that #1 option. Maybe hope Beal drops or draft Lamb.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Noah and Deng are both role players who make >$10m/per -- I just don't see how this would work, especially with the new CBA. With three contracts >$10m and Batum's new deal you're going to have to settle for a cheap alternative at PG.

 

[Natebishop3]

Noah and Deng are both role players who make >$10m/per -- I just don't see how this would work, especially with the new CBA. With three contracts >$10m and Batum's new deal you're going to have to settle for a cheap alternative at PG.

There are quite a few point guards available this summer. Maybe we could steal one on the cheap (like Miller)?

 

[Natebishop3]

Should be able to find someone who is willing to take a couple million per year over three years or something like that. Maybe Miller or Billups.

This list is from Hoopsworld

Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.0 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ramon Sessions, L.A. Lakers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, Brooklyn Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Gilbert Arenas, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, Golden State Warriors – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Donald Sloan, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Manny Harris, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Patty Mills, San Antonio Spurs – $0.3 million – Unrestricted*
Courtney Fortson, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Mike James, Chicago Bulls – $0.6 million – Unrestricted
Jerome Dyson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Uzoh, Toronto Raptors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Brooklyn Nets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Earl Boykins, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
Blake Ahearn, Utah Jazz – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I still don't like that option.

You're going to pay at least $30m/per for three role players (Deng/Batum/Noah) and one borderline go-to-guy in LMA.

 

[PapaG]

I think it depends on what they want to do. If they are simply looking to clear cap space, and were willing to take a bath on what they got in return, I would seriously consider eating up our cap space and take both players. I think a trade would work under the cap if we sent them Wesley/11th and they traded us Deng and Noah. It would kill our space for the summer, but we'd get our center and we could move Batum to the shooting guard spot. The only problem would be point guard. Maybe draft Marshall and then make a lowball offer to Dre and see if he'll come back for a couple years.

Miller/Marshall
Batum/Williams
Deng/Babbitt
Aldridge/Hickson
Noah/Thomas

Obviously the Bulls wouldn't be getting near the value that Noah is worth, but they'd be clearing 19 million off their cap and they'd get Wes and a lotto pick. I don't know if they'd bite, but I think Noah/Deng would be better than we could do in free agency.

Bring Miller back? For what? LMA actually improved as a player this year without Miller hogging the ball.

 

[Natebishop3]

I still don't like that option.

You're going to pay at least $30m/per for three role players (Deng/Batum/Noah) and one borderline go-to-guy in LMA.

We're going to be over the cap anyway. Whether it's from signing Dragic and someone else, and then extending JJ and Nic, or making a trade similar to the one I mentioned above. I'm not sold on it, but I could see the Blazers wanting to do something like this. They want vents and they want to win now. Noah is one of the better centers in the league and he's still young. Deng isn't great, but he's solid. We will not have cap space after this summer, so it just depends on how you want it to go down.

 

[Natebishop3]

Bring Miller back? For what? LMA actually improved as a player this year without Miller hogging the ball.

He's one of the few guys I could see signing for less money. He still has the ability to be a starter in the NBA. We'd only need him for a couple of years if we drafted Marshall. Offer him the vet minimum over 2-3 years and see if he bites. Or do you see someone else on the free agent list that you think we could bring in if we were over the cap? OR would you just start Marshall and throw him into the deep end to see if he swims?

 

[PapaG]

We're going to be over the cap anyway. Whether it's from signing Dragic and someone else, and then extending JJ and Nic, or making a trade similar to the one I mentioned above. I'm not sold on it, but I could see the Blazers wanting to do something like this. They want vents and they want to win now. Noah is one of the better centers in the league and he's still young. Deng isn't great, but he's solid. We will not have cap space after this summer, so it just depends on how you want it to go down.

I don't think the Blazers are going to extend JJ Hickson. If the draft position works out as the odds say, they'll take a back-up PF with one of the two picks, or maybe even a center like Zeller.

Actually, I'll go out on a limb and guess the Blazers don't re-sign Hickson if he gets much of an offer from another team.

I can see him accepting the Q.O. at some point, though, because I'm not sure which team is going to blow a few days of the FA period over him.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think the Blazers are going to extend JJ Hickson. If the draft position works out as the odds say, they'll take a back-up PF with one of the two picks, or maybe even a center like Zeller.

Actually, I'll go out on a limb and guess the Blazers don't re-sign Hickson if he gets much of an offer from another team.

I can see him accepting the Q.O. at some point, though, because I'm not sure which team is going to blow a few days of the FA period over him.

He played so well though... you think they'll just let him walk for nothing? I'm not super sold on the guy because he seemed pretty one-dimensional, but he has talent. I hate to see talented players walk away for nothing.

 

[PapaG]

He's one of the few guys I could see signing for less money. He still has the ability to be a starter in the NBA. We'd only need him for a couple of years if we drafted Marshall. Offer him the vet minimum over 2-3 years and see if he bites. Or do you see someone else on the free agent list that you think we could bring in if we were over the cap? OR would you just start Marshall and throw him into the deep end to see if he swims?

OK, that's fair at a minimal contract for Miller. I'd start Marshall right away if he's a lottery pick, though. Portland wasn't a playoff team, and I see no reason to start a guy who is a proven failure when it matters over a lottery PG.

 

[PapaG]

He played so well though... you think they'll just let him walk for nothing? I'm not super sold on the guy because he seemed pretty one-dimensional, but he has talent. I hate to see talented players walk away for nothing.

I hate seeing players put up stats on a bad team in a contract year, after another bad team waived them, and then get a big contract from the team that claimed them off of waivers.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That team is still without a real go-to guy who can create their own offense. It's like we'd be a lesser version of the current Indiana Pacers.

I think I know talent well enough and the current landscape of who can be had -- Get DeMarcus Cousins before it's too late!

 

[Natebishop3]

OK, that's fair at a minimal contract for Miller. I'd start Marshall right away if he's a lottery pick, though.

I'm just looking at that list of free agent point guards, and if we don't end up signing someone like Dragic and we don't have any cap space left, I could see someone like Miller or maybe even Billups taking less money to start again. But I could also see them signing with a team like the Heat or Knicks. Miller would actually be pretty good on the Heat.

 

[Natebishop3]

That team is still without a real go-to guy who can create their own offense. It's like we'd be a lesser version of the current Indiana Pacers.

I think I know talent well enough and the current landscape of who can be had -- Get DeMarcus Cousins before it's too late!

Why are you so convinced that we could get Cousins?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He's been on the block since last summer but they want a lot in return. With two lotto picks and some other assets I think we could put together a respectable offer. They have to separate DeMarcus and Tyreke -- Their egos are too much alike.

 

[Natebishop3]

He's been on the block since last summer but they want a lot in return. With two lotto picks and some other assets I think we could put together a respectable offer. They have to separate DeMarcus and Tyreke -- Their egos are too much alike.

So you're assuming that Cousins is a #1 option?

 

[MickZagger]

Bring Miller back? For what? LMA actually improved as a player this year without Miller hogging the ball.

Its so easy to criticize when you never take a hard stance on anything.