OT: Bulls looking to move Noah? ('Tone called this one last week)

[Blaze01]

Noah is more than his numbers. Noah is one of those players who (a) refuses to lose, but (b) inspires great affection in his teammates.

Refuses to lose? Tell that to Philly....

Apparently his hustle, attitude and inspiration wasn't enough to carry his team past Philly....

Pretty good player, plays position of need (center), yes, he is a good hustle\imspirational player...has injury concerns...is overpaid...

Worth the 11th pick (again, POR would also have to give up almost all of its cap space as well...goodbye Dragic)...no way you trade the 6th pick for him....

 

[Denny Crane]

Core players dumped, all we're the Bulls' leading scorer the year they were dumped, too.

Jalen Rose
Jamal Crawford
Eddie Curry
Ben Gordon

Chandler was traded for PJ Brown's expiring contract the day they signed Ben Wallace as a FA.

The day Paxson became GM, he declared Curry and Chandler the cornerstones of the franchise. Along with Crawford, they were the 3 Cs.

 

[Rhal]

Refuses to lose? Tell that to Philly....

Apparently his hustle, attitude and inspiration wasn't enough to carry his team past Philly....

Pretty good player, plays position of need (center), yes, he is a good hustle\imspirational player...has injury concerns...is overpaid...

Worth the 11th pick (again, POR would also have to give up almost all of its cap space as well...goodbye Dragic)...no way you trade the 6th pick for him....

We have 20m if we renounce Hickson, giving a pick away is another 2 to 3 million off the top, you think Dragic will cost over 10m? If so I don't want him.

 

[craigehlo]

you think Dragic will cost over 10m?

I'm guessing $8.5 million or so. It's a risk, but one you have to take for the possibility of a franchise PG.

 

[Denny Crane]

We have 20m if we renounce Hickson, giving a pick away is another 2 to 3 million off the top, you think Dragic will cost over 10m? If so I don't want him.

The Bulls might do Hickson and the 2 picks for Noah.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Are you fucking kidding me?

I like Joakim Noah, but he isn't a "star" player.....he is a good 4th or 5th starter...and he does have health concerns and he also is making $11 mil a year ($12/$13/$14 the next 3 years)....

This is EXACTLY how a team becomes a mediocre\go nowhere team by trading MULTIPLE!! lottery picks for a player who doesn't elevate your team significantly....

Come on guys....be realistic here.....given his salary, his injury history...the fact that it is the BULLS not the Blazers who are going to be strapped cap wise....I would consider the #11 pick...anything more than that would be asinine on POR part....

Also your scenario of signing Dragic is unrealistic, by trading for Noah you would very likely be saying goodbye to any significant free agent acquisitions as well...So Noah AND Dragic is far fetched....but more importantly it is a team that is going nowhere, even with both of those guys....Why would any intelligent person do that? Unless they don't give a crap about actually competing for a title....If you don't care about that then yeah go for it...trade for Noah, re-sign Batum for $10-11 mil cap yourself out for the next several years with players who are nice pieces but not "core\difference makers" insuring that you play around .500 basketball and if your lucky a 1st round and out every year....

I don't consider the picks after #4 sure things at all, so I'm not sure they would be that valuable; maybe take back Chicago's late first round pick. I agree with another poster that we should still have enough money to sign Dragic. You make some good points though and I respect your opinion. Maybe it wasn't your intention, but I don't feel like you respected mine.

 

[PapaG]

Noah is one of those players who (a) refuses to lose, but (b) inspires great affection in his teammates.

Well, he just lost in 6 games.

I'll also point out that his teammates had so much affection for him that they voted him to be suspended from the team for 2 games back in 2008.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3194819

ATLANTA -- Chicago Bulls rookie Joakim Noah was benched for Sunday's 105-84 loss to the Atlanta Hawks -- by his teammates.

They delivered a unanimous vote after the rookie from Florida was involved in a confrontation with assistant coach Ron Adams in practice before Friday's game at Philadelphia.

Noah was inactive for the Philadelphia game for internal disciplinary reasons, but the players told interim coach Jim Boylan one game was not enough.

Trading lottery picks for him seems foolish to me, especially at his money.

 

[PapaG]

The Bulls might do Hickson and the 2 picks for Noah.

Haha! That's a joke, right? How about the Blazers add LMA to the mix?

 

[craigehlo]

Well, he just lost in 6 games

He was key in getting the Bulls the best record in the NBA with Rose injured for large chunks of the season.

I'm not a huge fan of Noah, but he's a top 5 center entering the prime of his career. Seems like a reasonable trade if we offered the picks and cap relief for him.

 

[PapaG]

He was key in getting the Bulls the best record in the NBA with Rose injured for large chunks of the season.

I'm not a huge fan of Noah, but he's a top 5 center entering the prime of his career. Seems like a reasonable trade if we offered the picks and cap relief for him.

Good points, but I just don't think he's worth two lottery picks and his contract. I just don't see him as being a huge difference-maker. I'd rather keep the picks, try and hit in the draft, and sign Goran Dragic.

 

[Blaze01]

I don't consider the picks after #4 sure things at all, so I'm not sure they would be that valuable; maybe take back Chicago's late first round pick. I agree with another poster that we should still have enough money to sign Dragic. You make some good points though and I respect your opinion. Maybe it wasn't your intention, but I don't feel like you respected mine.

No disrespect intended.....

I think this draft is stronger than it is getting credit for...I'd rather see POR take 2 swings at getting that #2/#3 maybe even #1 type of guy....They are here in this draft...This team needs top end talent in the worst way...LA is probably better off as a #2, He may not have that luxury In POR, where unless POR strikes gold he will be asked to be the #1....

Noah is a good player, but not a guy you rely on as a #2 (Westbrook\Wade\Pierce\Bynum) or #3 (Harden\Bosh\Allen\Gasol) type of player....

They HAVE TO take thier swings in the draft...high ceiling guys, hope you hit on one of them...Dragic\Hill are nice young players that you hope contiune to progress and get a little better but probably are what they are...good starting caliber player, but not a star....You can get those guys in free agency....Same goes for Batum, he most likely is what he is at this point...a good starting player not a star...which is fine...even overpaying is fine...as long as you can add a guy like Dragic\Hill in free agency maybe an underated big as well BEFORE you resign him...

You bring Freeland over....maybe Claver or Diebler....then you use both draft picks on some high upside guys...hope you did your homework and you hit on one of them...but they are cost controlled for a few years meaning your cap space should be ok even with paying LA, Batum and Dragic\Hill big bucks....

Beal\Lamb\Rivers\P.Jones\Barnes\Wroten\Waiters all these guys have some big time ceiling potential IMO....

 

[craigehlo]

Noah is a good player, but not a guy you rely on as a #2 (Westbrook\Wade\Pierce\Bynum) or #3 (Harden\Bosh\Allen\Gasol) type of player....

He's an Ibaka type of player with better offense. I still think he's a nice option if available.

I'm not against building via the draft, but it's going to be a long process that will take 2-3 seasons to see if anything pans out. I'm not sure if the ownership and the casual fan has the stomach for that.

 

[RR7]

Noah is a good player, but not a guy you rely on as a #2 (Westbrook\Wade\Pierce\Bynum) or #3 (Harden\Bosh\Allen\Gasol) type of player....

Not a #2 or 3 SCORER, no. but half of the game is played on the other end of the court. How important was Tyson Chandler to Dallas' title run last season? Nobody would say he's a #2 or #3 guy on the team...as a scoring option. but he was arguably the 2nd most important player on that team. But people only pay attention to the offensive side of the ball when discussing important players on the team.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

We are a team not even close to contending. With this move they are still without a real go-to player.

We need to bring in young talent -- Noah is 27, not exactly young.

 

[Denny Crane]

Haha! That's a joke, right? How about the Blazers add LMA to the mix?

The Bulls would be looking for cap relief if they were to give up Noah. Thus the two picks turn into two rookie scale deals instead of Noah's vet deal. To take anyone back near Noah's pay doesn't solve the bulls' problem.

I replied to a post about the Blazers cutting Hickson loose to free up cap space to further deal after Noah would take a chunk out of your cap space.

In that light, maybe the bulls would do a S&T involving Hickson, too. Or maybe they want no part of the contract.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The Bulls would be looking for cap relief if they were to give up Noah. Thus the two picks turn into two rookie scale deals instead of Noah's vet deal. To take anyone back near Noah's pay doesn't solve the bulls' problem.

I replied to a post about the Blazers cutting Hickson loose to free up cap space to further deal after Noah would take a chunk out of your cap space.

In that light, maybe the bulls would do a S&T involving Hickson, too. Or maybe they want no part of the contract.

Throw in Mirotic....

I'd feel better about trading two high picks if we got Mirotic apart of the deal.

Like Cousins, he's one player I'm really high on.

 

[Denny Crane]

Throw in Mirotic....

I'd feel better about trading two high picks if we got Mirotic apart of the deal.

Like Cousins, he's one player I'm really high on.

I think the bulls are really high on Mirotic. Not sure they'd deal him as a sweetener to dump Noah for picks.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

It's not exactly 'dumping' him when the picks are #6 and #11 (likely)

 

[RR7]

It's not exactly 'dumping' him when the picks are #6 and #11 (likely)

was just posting the same thing.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Who knows?

Things changed a lot when Rose tore his ACL and is likely to miss most, if not all, of next season.

The Bulls have really tough decisions to make the season after, when I think Taj Gibson needs his extension, too.

Really? Rose is going to miss most if not all of next season? I thought turn around on an torn ACL was 6-9 months.

Ouch this injury is devastaing for the Bulls. #1 seed in the playoffs gone and potentially all next year. Wow.

 

[Denny Crane]

Really? Rose is going to miss most if not all of next season? I thought turn around on an torn ACL was 6-9 months.

Ouch this injury is devastaing for the Bulls. #1 seed in the playoffs gone and potentially all next year. Wow.

January at the earliest (6 months).
End of March at the latest (9 months).

They're not going to rush it, I hope.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not exactly 'dumping' him when the picks are #6 and #11 (likely)

There's no guarantee either or both picks end up adding the value that Noah does. Like it's been posted here, he's a top 5 C, those picks may not be a top 5 at any position.

And it is dumping him. They signed him to a long term contract, now they'd be getting rid of him because of his contract.

 

[RR7]

There's no guarantee either or both picks end up adding the value that Noah does. Like it's been posted here, he's a top 5 C, those picks may not be a top 5 at any position.

And it is dumping him. They signed him to a long term contract, now they'd be getting rid of him because of his contract.

Dumping is trading Zach Randolph for Steve Francis and Channing Frye. Getting 2 lotto picks out of a deal is not dumping a player. Is the move financially motivated? Sure. But dumping him would be doing it just for the cap space without picks.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Yeah, we could lose out on that pick but it's still likely we pick at 6 and 11.

Noah/Mirotic for #6/#11/S&T Hickson is a fair offer.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

January at the earliest (6 months).
End of March at the latest (9 months).

They're not going to rush it, I hope.

ESPN is now reporting that he's out 8-12 months.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yeah, we could lose out on that pick but it's still likely we pick at 6 and 11.

Noah/Mirotic for #6/#11/S&T Hickson is a fair offer.

How much salary you think #6, #11, and Hickson take up? Noah's like $11M (which is quite fair, IMO)

 

[craigehlo]

ESPN is now reporting that he's out 8-12 months.

I think they won't panic since they did fairly well w/o him in the regular season. I wonder if the would have any interest in taking back Wes + #6 for Noah?

 

[Denny Crane]

I think they won't panic since they did fairly well w/o him in the regular season. I wonder if the would have any interest in taking back Wes + #6 for Noah?

Maybe, but I have my doubts. The Bulls could have signed Matthews as a FA, but chose Ronnie Brewer instead.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Brewer was a bad signing.

He's a fringe NBA player.

 

[Denny Crane]

Brewer was a bad signing.

He's a fringe NBA player.

Brewer started a lot of games for the team. He's an awesome defensive player. They even had him play some PG on rare occasion. The thing is, they're about to let him walk (buy him out), so I wonder why they'd want a $6M player to replace the $4.5M one.