OT: Cousins/AD Pelicans look like garbage

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Fonzthecpt1 said:
So Adam Morrison is a winner?

What about Thomas Robinson when he won a series vs the Houston Rockets. Is Thomas Robinson "more of a winner" than Anthony Davis?
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Yes and yes. Are you gay, by the way? Serious question. You're so cute.
 
@KingSpeed Stop acting like basketball isn't a team game. He's had shitty, often injured teammates around him all his career.

Gordon, Anderson, Holiday, and Evans are the only players he's played with, and all those players are extremely injury prone.

So because he's had trash around him, he's a loser? That's wrong.

Put him on the Warriors/Cavs and he'd have won 16 playoff games in one season by now (aka a championship). So stop calling him a loser because of his circumstances.
 
BonesJones said:
@KingSpeed Stop acting like basketball isn't a team game. He's had shitty, often injured teammates around him all his career.

Gordon, Anderson, Holiday, and Evans are the only players he's played with, and all those players are extremely injury prone.

So because he's had trash around him, he's a loser? That's wrong.

Put him on the Warriors/Cavs and he'd have won 16 playoff games in one season by now (aka a championship). So stop calling him a loser because of his circumstances.
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The great players make their teammates better, not worse. Gordon and Anderson are winning now that they got away from Davis. And Holiday was an All Star before he came to play with Davis. As for putting him on a team that has already won the championship like GS and Cleveland? Well duh! Put Meyers Leonard on those teams and he'd win too.
 
LeBron is a true winner. Took a complete joke of a team with rookie named Boobie as his second best player all the way to the NBA Finals in his first season. Davis takes his team nowhere. Lillard has been to second round with and without Aldridge. He is a true winner.
 
KingSpeed said:
LeBron is a true winner. Took a complete joke of a team with rookie named Boobie as his second best player all the way to the NBA Finals in his first season. Davis takes his team nowhere. Lillard has been to second round with and without Aldridge. He is a true winner.
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So LAC losing Paul and Ginger wasn't the main factor in us getting to the second round?
 
I may be wrong but Boogie reminds me of someone whose amazing talent is hampered by emotional insecurity. I remember something Mick Jagger said about Brian Jones, "he didn't have the right temperament to be a rock star." That kind of reminds me of Demarcus Cousins. Part of being a franchise level talent is it comes with a great deal of responsibility and leadership. Look at Dame. Look at Lebron and Kobe. If you are that talented and ambitious then there are sacrifices and conditions that come with that job. You have to have the right qualities and know how to carry yourself. Boogie is an amazing talent when he wants to be, but nobody ever got through to him that being humble at times and a leader, is important to your team's performance. That shit he pulled on Stauskas was friggin' childish. Well, that's just my take.
 
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KingSpeed said:
LeBron is a true winner. Took a complete joke of a team with rookie named Boobie as his second best player all the way to the NBA Finals in his first season. Davis takes his team nowhere. Lillard has been to second round with and without Aldridge. He is a true winner.
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Lebron didn't make the playoffs his first year.
 
^^^^ Very good points....but Kobe wins nothing without Shaq (MVP all 3 Finals I believe) and prime Pau Gasol.
 
KingSpeed said:
The great players make their teammates better, not worse. Gordon and Anderson are winning now that they got away from Davis. And Holiday was an All Star before he came to play with Davis. As for putting him on a team that has already won the championship like GS and Cleveland? Well duh! Put Meyers Leonard on those teams and he'd win too.
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How the hell is a big man supposed to make his teammates better? I'm tired of this "Great payers make their teammates better". It may be true for guards in some situations, but that's because they handle the ball.

AD can't make his guards hit 3s or make them create off the dribble. AD can't make his teammates healthy.

Gordon and Anderson are winning now because they're surrounded by a ball dominant guard who gets them wide open looks, and they're also healthy, and they're also in D'Antoni's system.

You missed my point. Winning is based on the team, not the best player. A PF doesn't handle the ball, so they can't control the game like a guard (Ex. Harden). Davis has a major impact but he needs players that can actually control the game without turning the ball over, defend, make shots, and stay healthy.
 
KingSpeed said:
LeBron is a true winner. Took a complete joke of a team with rookie named Boobie as his second best player all the way to the NBA Finals in his first season. Davis takes his team nowhere. Lillard has been to second round with and without Aldridge. He is a true winner.
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That's because ball handlers and playmakers have more control over the game.

No great post player has ever had shitty guards and won.
 
Meanwhile the Kings KILLED the Nuggets, and Cauley-Stein got 29 and 10! (And Plums was -21 in 22 mins...)
 
New Orleans is about to find out what happens when you gut your bench for a superstar.....two superstars and the rest of the team shooting 19% in last nights loss pretty much makes them the New York Knicks with Melo and Porzingas starting
 
riverman said:
New Orleans is about to find out what happens when you gut your bench for a superstar.....two superstars and the rest of the team shooting 19% in last nights loss pretty much makes them the New York Knicks with Melo and Porzingas starting
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They didn't gut their bench, though. They only traded three players and got one back with Cousins (so, only lost one player's worth of depth, net) and two (Hield and Galloway) were pretty poor players. Neither player is the type that prevents a 17% shooting performance, really.

Basically, they went from one superstar and a crappy supporting cast to two superstars and a crappy supporting cast. Still not a contender, but closer.
 
I expect New Orleans to dump Asik, Hill, Moore, and Ajinca on the Kings during the draft, and give them 2 firsts for their troubles. Then they'll bring back CP3 and sign Holiday or an Iguadala type.
 
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