OT: George Hill

[Wheels]

Still too much. And I'll take Bayless over Hill. He's two years younger (has more room to grow), and has much more explosive skills.

We'll see. I'm def a little less excited about Bayless than I was last summer. hopefully I am wrong int hat though.

 

[illmatic99]

Less excited? He had a shitty year last year, and has shown vast improvements this year.

How can you be more discouraged about him now?

 

[Wheels]

Less excited? He had a shitty year last year, and has shown vast improvements this year.

How can you be more discouraged about him now?

last year I attirbuted to him being a rookie with spotty minutes. He has still improved yes. But I want to see more on his shot. I'm not saying he is dissappointing by any means. I guess I just like Hill more than him.

 

[tlongII]

And Andre Miller is 'below average' ... we get it.

I never said Miller was "below average." I said he was an average point guard. I'm sticking to that assertion. Get it?

 

[Nikolokolus]

http://www.basketball-reference.com...um=1&p1=bayleje01&y1=2010&p2=hillge01&y2=2010

A side by side comparison of each player reveals a couple of things. Hill is by far the better shooter and defender (47% from the field and 41% from 3 this year) and Bayless is a much better player at getting to the line and scoring in the immediate basket area. Both players certainly have their strengths and weaknesses (Hill doesn't seem like much of a distributor ... sort of like Bayless) But given Hill's length, defensive potential and ability to stretch a defense with his shot, I'd probably give him the nod over Bayless as Brandon's sidekick.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

this is under the assumption that Parker is still a building block. Sure Parker >>>> Hill... but thats why I didnt even think of talking about him.

Well, I think they really like Hill, and i think the Spurs value TP just slightly over GH

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

He's 21 years old, has a 15+ PER, an uncanny ability to get to the basket, finish, and draw contact. He's disappointing for sure.

He's not a PG, and i dont think he plays well of Roy

 

[Wheels]

http://www.basketball-reference.com...um=1&p1=bayleje01&y1=2010&p2=hillge01&y2=2010

A side by side comparison of each player reveals a couple of things. Hill is by far the better shooter and defender (47% from the field and 41% from 3 this year) and Bayless is a much better player at getting to the line and scoring in the immediate basket area. Both players certainly have their strengths and weaknesses (Hill doesn't seem like much of a distributor ... sort of like Bayless) But given Hill's length, defensive potential and ability to stretch a defense with his shot, I'd probably give him the nod over Bayless as Brandon's sidekick.

agreed.

 

[Wheels]

Well, I think they really like Hill, and i think the Spurs value TP just slightly over GH

fair enough. Whoever they dont want I will gladly take If Manu goes somewhere else this year. I could see them trading Hill to try and rebuild on the fly, for one more push with TD and TP. Thats why I was thinking that.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I never said Miller was "below average." I said he was an average point guard. I'm sticking to that assertion. Get it?

Well, then you're wrong.

Miller's PER: 17.9
10th this season amongst all guards under 6'4" I'd call that decidedly 'above average'

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

fair enough. Whoever they dont want I will gladly take If Manu goes somewhere else this year. I could see them trading Hill to try and rebuild on the fly, for one more push with TD and TP. Thats why I was thinking that.

I dont see them trading their PG of the future though....

I guess im one of these guys that dont see Hill and Collison as these great PG's. Yea they have great stats in limited number of games (like 30)

I wouldnt trade some of our players for guys that have shown potential, rather have someone with some history.

And im the one that is always up for a trade

 

[illmatic99]

He's not a PG,

He gets nearly as many assists as Hill while playing 12 fewer minutes per game.

 

[Nikolokolus]

He gets nearly as many assists as Hill while playing 12 fewer minutes per game.

I don't think either player is a 'point guard'

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

He gets nearly as many assists as Hill while playing 12 fewer minutes per game.

I never compared them as PG's, i put Bayless under hill because he strikes out twice in my criteria

1) Not a PG
2) Doesnt play well with Roy (cause he cant shoot)

Hill could at least do #2

 

[tlongII]

Well, then you're wrong.

Miller's PER: 17.9
10th this season amongst all guards under 6'4" I'd call that decidedly 'above average'

We're a #8 seed and Miller has never done much in the playoffs. That makes him average.

 

[Nikolokolus]

We're a #8 seed and Miller has never done much in the playoffs. That makes him average.

So I guess that makes Roy pretty average too, right?

 

[tlongII]

So I guess that makes Roy pretty average too, right?

Hardly. Isn't this Roy's 4th year in the league?

 

[DaRizzle]

You want a two pump chump on your team?!?

He is a quick nut as he says…lame in the sack & loves to eat but isnt [sic] really good at it. Only thing he can do is finger which is sad.

http://www.newsgone.com/george-hill-pics-george-hill-pics-scandal-george-hill-the-dirty-4284.htm

[video=youtube;zlB6rBXQ6bA]

 

[Nikolokolus]

Hardly. Isn't this Roy's 4th year in the league?

And Miller's 11th ... what's your point exactly?

All I have to do to see the impact that Miller has on a team is to look at Philly with him last year and this year without him, not much changed with that roster except the addition of Jrue Holliday and the subtraction of Dre' and they go from a lower seed playoff team to one of the worst in the league, and Miller was one of the main reasons that team was even competitive with the Magic in the first round.

 

[BenDavis503]

Pop wouldn't give him up, but I would LOVE to have the kid on our team. He is going to be a star if he stays on the Spurs.

I bet we have a better chance at Parker.

 

[tlongII]

And Miller's 11th ... what's your point exactly?

All I have to do to see the impact that Miller has on a team is to look at Philly with him last year and this year without him, not much changed with that roster except the addition of Jrue Holliday and the subtraction of Dre' and they go from a lower seed playoff team to one of the worst in the league, and Miller was one of the main reasons that team was even competitive with the Magic in the first round.

My point is that Miller hasn't done squat in the playoffs. Even after being in the league for 11 years. He was good enough to make Philly an average team. Sounds like an average point guard to me.

 

[MickZagger]

My point is that Miller hasn't done squat in the playoffs. Even after being in the league for 11 years. He was good enough to make Philly an average team. Sounds like an average point guard to me.

He's really never had that much talent around him.

 

[ABM]

Oden and Hill - The ding-a-ling bros.

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[BoBoBREWSKI]

FYI

Spurs guard George Hill is headed back to San Antonio after spraining his right ankle in the first half of Sunday's 100-81 win over the Lakers and will not play in the final two games of the team's road trip.
Hill is scheduled for an MRI Monday in San Antonio, after which a firmer timetable for his return could be available.
"I think he's probably out a while, unfortunately," coach Gregg Popovich said.

 

[Nikolokolus]

My point is that Miller hasn't done squat in the playoffs. Even after being in the league for 11 years. He was good enough to make Philly an average team. Sounds like an average point guard to me.

Average players have little or no impact on a team with their arrival or departure because they are replaced (generally) with other average players. I know this is hard to grasp, but when a good player plays on a mostly bad team they typically don't enjoy a lot of team success. Miller was good enough to make a bad team average, and when he left they took a hit in the talent department and sunk.

For instance, take away Wade's championship when he was with Shaq and that Heat team is imminently average and hasn't done a damn thing in the playoffs; does that make Wade 'average' (and no, I'm not comparing Miller to Wade, I'm using an extreme example of a good player on a kind of crappy team to illustrate a point) If D-Wade leaves this off-season in free agency for greener pastures, the Heat might be the worst team in the league.