OT: Mark Cuban proposes deeper 3 point line

[Draco]

I agree it should be moved back. There are too many 3's in today's game. Its become a requirement virtually all guards have to be able to hit it; while it should be a rarer skill only a few of the best NBA shooters benefit from.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...vericks-says-nba-mull-moving-3-point-arc-back

Mark Cuban has a suggestion to reintroduce the midrange shot to the NBA game: Move back the 3-point arc.

"It's getting too close," the Dallas Mavericks owner said Friday night of the 3-point arc, which is 23 feet, 9 inches at the crest and 22 feet in the corners, where there is no room to move it back. "Guys are shooting a foot behind it anyways. ... That's something we should look at. It's worth looking at.

"I don't think the number of shots would decline, but I think it would reward skill and open up the court some more. So guys would still take [3-point] shots if it's seven inches back or whatever, but at the same time, it opens up the court for more drives, more midrange game."

The midrange jumper has become an endangered species of sorts, while NBA players are firing 3-pointers at record rates. The single-season record for 3s is 55,137; according to ESPN Stats & Information, teams are on pace to hit 58,477 this season.

Cuban thinks moving back the 3-point arc is an idea the NBA should consider, not to discourage the deep ball, but to improve the spacing of the game.

"I think it'd open it up more so guys with different skill sets could play," Cuban said. "It would open up play for more drives. Guys with midrange games would be rewarded and that would stay in the game. There would be more diversity of offensive action in the game.

"You'd see a little bit of decline in the 3. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that we shoot so many 3s, but it's worth it in the D-League to see what happens [with a deeper 3-point line]."

Cuban quickly dismissed a question about whether the NBA would benefit from adding a 4-point line, perhaps 30 feet from the basket.

"No, because then guys would really use it," Cuban said.

His thought is that the basketball players, from youth leagues to the NBA, have become too reliant on long-range shooting.

"Part of the consideration is not just how our game works, but how kids learn how to play," Cuban said. "It's turned into nobody has a midrange game coming out anymore. Unless you shoot a 3, you can't shoot anymore pretty much."

 

[Draco]

They also need to widen the court. Find a way to move all seats one row back. Make the corner three 23.5 feet (18 inches further back), but make the sideline 2 feet back so players big shoes can fit there. Along with a deeper three at the crest, perhaps 25 feet, it would give more court spacing which would make the game more exciting. Players are too big, strong, athletic, and quick to be in the same sized court as 50 years ago.

They should really use an 11 foot hoop as well but that seems too radical of a chance. That would make a dunk a truly epic play!

 

[handiman]

"Guys are shooting a foot behind it anyways"

"It would open up play for more drives."

If guys are already shooting a foot behind the line, then how would moving the line back open up the floor for more drives? I know the gist of what he's getting at is not everyone shoots a foot behind it currently, so it would discourage the lesser gunners, but it doesn't sound like he's fully thought it through.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Yep I'd go for that. Also you could also get rid of the side three pointers.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I wonder how he'd feel if Wes was shooting better?

 

[Strenuus]

Yep I'd go for that. Also you could also get rid of the side three pointers.

Why? Oh wait, you don't use logic.

 

[dviss1]

Sometimes Cuban needs to STFU.

 

[dviss1]

I agree it should be moved back. There are too many 3's in today's game. Its become a requirement virtually all guards have to be able to hit it; while it should be a rarer skill only a few of the best NBA shooters benefit from.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...vericks-says-nba-mull-moving-3-point-arc-back

I think this notion is just silly. Please explain the logic that it should be a rarer skill.

 

[dviss1]

"Guys are shooting a foot behind it anyways"

"It would open up play for more drives."

If guys are already shooting a foot behind the line, then how would moving the line back open up the floor for more drives? I know the gist of what he's getting at is not everyone shoots a foot behind it currently, so it would discourage the lesser gunners, but it doesn't sound like he's fully thought it through.

It would open the lane. Guys aren't required to shoot a foot behind it. If it's required to shoot from farther to get 3 points it would be harder to double the post and for guards to dig on post players as well.

I do however think the floor should be widened by at least 3-5 feet. Stepping out of bounds on the sidelines happens way too often. I think that would open the lane more because they could also extend the side three pointer

 

[e_blazer]

Hell no. I love the way the game today puts a premium on shooters. Move the line back to where 3 pt FG% drops down and it just becomes a desperation shot instead of a mainstay of an offense. Make the 3 pt shot a low percentage play and then smaller guards like Curry and Dame suddenly aren't nearly as effective and teams start loading up on bigger guys who can post up to gain an advantage. Don't mess with what ain't broken.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I want the game to go back to a big man's game where bigs actually play with power.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What they need to do is make any alley-oop thrown behind the 3pt line worth 3pts. Giving a second option to score 3pts would spread the floor.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

They also need to widen the court. Find a way to move all seats one row back. Make the corner three 23.5 feet (18 inches further back), but make the sideline 2 feet back so players big shoes can fit there. Along with a deeper three at the crest, perhaps 25 feet, it would give more court spacing which would make the game more exciting. Players are too big, strong, athletic, and quick to be in the same sized court as 50 years ago.

Giving up a row of seats means giving up the revenue they generate. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Make the half court line a 4pt line.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It would be interesting to see the cumulative league wide 3pt shooting percentage each year since it was introduced. If the average is over 40% then the line needs to be moved back, if not it needs to remain where it is.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It would be interesting to see the cumulative league wide 3pt shooting percentage each year since it was introduced. If the average is over 40% then the line needs to be moved back, if not it needs to remain where it is.

Found it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

3pt shooting percentage has been hovering around 35% for years. No reason to move the line.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

The game is fine how it is.

 

[Strenuus]

I want the game to go back to a big man's game where bigs actually play with power.

Then go watch tape.

 

[e_blazer]

Found it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

3pt shooting percentage has been hovering around 35% for years. No reason to move the line.

League Average 3 pt% - 35.2%
Steph Curry 3 pt% - 46.1%

I suspect that's the reason Cuban wants the line moved. If you can't beat 'em, change the rules.

 

[MarAzul]

What they need to do is make any alley-oop thrown behind the 3pt line worth 3pts. Giving a second option to score 3pts would spread the floor.

There you go. And make every Assisted lay up a worth Three, and every assisted lay up with a hockey assist worth Four. Let there be a true alternative to the three in playing basketball.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why is it that suddenly the game needs to change in a number of different ways?

 

[dviss1]

Yeah no... It's a pass not a shot.

 

[dviss1]

Why is it that suddenly the game needs to change in a number of different ways?

It doesn't.

 

[Natebishop3]

It doesn't.

Cuban whines a lot when things aren't going his way.

 

[Draco]

Found it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

3pt shooting percentage has been hovering around 35% for years. No reason to move the line.

Its not the percentage that matters; its # of attempts.

 

[Draco]

League Average 3 pt% - 35.2%
Steph Curry 3 pt% - 46.1%

I suspect that's the reason Cuban wants the line moved. If you can't beat 'em, change the rules.

I dunno; it might be similar to when they made the golf cup wide to help bad putters. Turns out all the great putters were holeing everything and it helped them more.

Curry is so accurate from deep the changes might help help him.

 

[Strenuus]

Why is it that suddenly the game needs to change in a number of different ways?

Because he made stupid financial decisions, which is amazingly ironic coming from a billionaire.

 

[Natebishop3]

Because he made stupid financial decisions, which is amazingly ironic coming from a billionaire.

And a guy who has a show about making solid financial decisions.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

A balanced NBA game would value the long shot as much as the close shot. The best three point shooter (like a Kyle Korver) should have roughly the same eFG% as the best two point shooter (like a DeAndre Jordan). When I get time tonight I'll get the average eFG% of the top 30 of each type and see how far unbalanced the game is in either direction.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A balanced NBA game would value the long shot as much as the close shot. The best three point shooter (like a Kyle Korver) should have roughly the same eFG% as the best two point shooter (like a DeAndre Jordan). When I get time tonight I'll get the average eFG% of the top 30 of each type and see how far unbalanced the game is in either direction.

Then can you figure out how unbalanced all of us are?