OT: Mark Cuban proposes deeper 3 point line

[BBert]

Hearing more talk about this notion in the wake of GSW's comeback series win. I wonder--rather than moving the 3 point line (or in concert with moving it back incrementally), what if they just eliminated the shorter corner 3? Keep the arc a consistent distance from the hoop all the way to the sideline. I wonder what kind of impact that would have on scoring, spacing, and shot selection.

My first thought is that teams would stop guarding the corner, pack it in, and focus on guarding the arc out top. So cut down on threes and maybe clog the middle more? Probably not what the NBA marketing department would want.

 

[Sinobas]

Why mess with it? The average height of an NBA player was 6-7 in 1980, which was just before the dawn of the "golden era" of the nba. Today it is still 6-7. It was 6-6 going back to 1962. So players have not gotten that much taller.

Points per 100 possessions last season was 106.4, which ranks 21st amongst all nba seasons. Of those 21 top offensive seasons, 11 came in "pre 3pt mania era", where there were less than 15 attempts per game.

What they might want to address, if anything is pace. Teams are playing at a much slower pace these days than they did in prior years. You could knock down the 24 shot clock down to 20.

The 3pt line OPENS the mid range game because it's a low priorty to defend. It also opens the lane, because other wise, you'd see teams just packing the middle and we'd see long 2pt jump shots all game. Especially with modern defensive rules.

Mark Cuban is a smart guy, but this is a stupid idea IMO.

 

[PDXFonz]

What if we got rid of the basketball and replaced it with an onion

Or a 5lb medicine ball so Draymond can "dribble" it off of people's faces like he's on some and1 shit.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Draymond Green's And1 moniker shall be "Weak Sauce"

 

[Boob-No-More]

Found it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

3pt shooting percentage has been hovering around 35% for years. No reason to move the line.

The league wide percentages haven't really changed much, but the number of 3-point attempts has skyrocketed. And, that may be part of Cuban's point. Back in ancient times, when teams were attempting less than 10 3-pointers per game, most teams had one 3-point shooting specialist and a large percentage of 3-point attempts were desperation attempts to beat the shot clock or at the end of a quarter. Then, when league wide 3-point attempts jumped up to about 15, most teams had a couple good 3-point shooters. Now, with the league wide average up to almost 25 3-point attempts per game, it's no longer a specialized skill. It's the rare player who doesn't have the 3-pint shot as part of their arsenal.

The 3-point shot has gone from a specialized skill that was used to keep defenses from packing the paint to an integral part of nearly every possession and low post moves have gone from a critical part of a team's scoring to a specialized skill teams use to collapse defenses to get even more open 3-pointers. The pendulum has swung from a big man dominated low post game to a guard dominated game of long range Pop-A-Shot*.

BNM

* Not saying that's a bad thing, that's just the way it is. And for the record, I still hold the high score on the Pop-A-Shot at the local Chuck E. Cheese's. Take that bitches!!

 

[Sinobas]

If some team gets really good at scoring inside, are we going to raise the basket to 11 feet? Or how about convert the no charge zone to an area where no offensive player can go? Or maybe we can making dunks worth 3 points to encourage players to go inside.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Let's make the basket move like a Mini-Golf course!

 

[Minstrel]

They also need to widen the court. Find a way to move all seats one row back. Make the corner three 23.5 feet (18 inches further back), but make the sideline 2 feet back so players big shoes can fit there. Along with a deeper three at the crest, perhaps 25 feet, it would give more court spacing which would make the game more exciting. Players are too big, strong, athletic, and quick to be in the same sized court as 50 years ago.

While I agree that the current court dimensions aren't ideal for modern NBA athletes, this is a change who's scope is probably untenable. It wouldn't simply be that every NBA court and stadium has to change. Every college and high school and rec center would need to change, as they all use regulation size and I doubt people will want to play on what would essentially be a random size at that point.

 

[PDXFonz]

Would Fiba tip in rules make this better, worse, or no affect?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Let's make the basket move like a Mini-Golf course!

Install a windmill in front of the rim. Not only will players have to be accurate, they will have to time their shots to avoid the rotating blades of the windmill. It will also help with the globalization of the league as we increase our TV ratings in Holland.

BNM

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Make any ally-oop thrown behind the 3pt line worth 3pts. It would give a 2nd 3pt option and would open the floor more. It would get big men playing near the hoop instead of taking mid range jumpers.

 

[BBert]

I can't believe Cuban thinks moving the line would even the playing field. What makes people think moving the three point line farther out would hurt the best three point shooter in the game? It would do the opposite.

 

[BBert]

Install a windmill in front of the rim. Not only will players have to be accurate, they will have to time their shots to avoid the rotating blades of the windmill. It will also help with the globalization of the league as we increase our TV ratings in Holland.

BNM

Curry might be the only player in the league that can make that shot.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Wouldn't they have to lengthen the base line then?

No. The arc would continue unabated until it intersected with the sideline, and then there would be no three point shot within (approximately) 8 feet from the baseline.

If some team gets really good at scoring inside, are we going to raise the basket to 11 feet? Or how about convert the no charge zone to an area where no offensive player can go? Or maybe we can making dunks worth 3 points to encourage players to go inside.

While I know you're being intentionally ridiculous, I've thought for a while that there might be value in raising the hoop.

 

[Sedatedfork]

No. The arc would continue unabated until it intersected with the sideline, and then there would be no three point shot within (approximately) 8 feet from the baseline.

Ok, that makes more sense.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Curry might be the only player in the league that can make that shot.

And Dame Dammit!!!

 

[Chris Craig]

If the NBA allowed for the 3 point line to get pushed out further, then the number of shooting fouls on those shots would surely rise to adjust for the rise in misses...simple math

 

[BBert]

BNM

* Not saying that's a bad thing, that's just the way it is. And for the record, I still hold the high score on the Pop-A-Shot at the local Chuck E. Cheese's. Take that bitches!!

Yeah, but you were reaching in and dunking!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I don't have a problem with widening the court to accomodate a longer 3-pt line.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't have a problem with widening the court to accomodate a longer 3-pt line.

Teams will never agree to give up the seating.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think all this talk about the 3pt shot taking over the game and making big men irrelevant is bull. If big men seem to be irrelevant, it's simply because their is a shortage of talented ones.

This is true. If big men want to stay on the floor then they need to become more skilled. I am glad that the game has evolved to take 7'+" stiffs who can barely run and who can't shoot free throws....... out of the game. Athletic bigs who are multi-skilled will never be irrelevant. If they can't run and they they can't make a free throw.....then they should be phased out....

 

[e_blazer]

Assuming that we accept the notion that the three point shot is somehow bad for the game (instead of just bad for the Mavericks), I wonder what impact it would have on the game if 3-pointers only counted in the last two minutes of a period. At other times, they would just be a 2-point shot.

 

[Strenuus]

Assuming that we accept the notion that the three point shot is somehow bad for the game (instead of just bad for the Mavericks), I wonder what impact it would have on the game if 3-pointers only counted in the last two minutes of a period. At other times, they would just be a 2-point shot.

Talk about clogging the paint haha.

 

[e_blazer]

Talk about clogging the paint haha.

It seems to me it would leave the 3-point shot as a good come-back tool, but the rest of the time the game would be played the way Dr. Naismith intended it to be.

There are other options to consider if you want to reduce the impact of the 3-pointer. You could make it illegal to set a pick beyond the 3-point line. You could allow hand-checking beyond the arc. Hell, if you just want to do what Cuban intends and negate the effectiveness of Steph Curry, just make a rule that says he can only shoot them left-handed while standing on one foot. Nah. He'd just go out and drill them that way, too.

 

[andalusian]

Install a windmill in front of the rim. Not only will players have to be accurate, they will have to time their shots to avoid the rotating blades of the windmill. It will also help with the globalization of the league as we increase our TV ratings in Holland.

BNM

This is just a ploy to increase Deandre Jordan's free throw percentages. Didn't take you to be a Clippers fan.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Teams will never agree to give up the seating.

This is not obvious.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It seems to me it would leave the 3-point shot as a good come-back tool, but the rest of the time the game would be played the way Dr. Naismith intended it to be.

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So no dunks or jump shots either? Just lay ups and set shots.......then we could all play too.

 

[barfo]

I would like to see the lines on the court be replaced with LED lighting. Then the lines could move constantly throughout the game. Not only could the three-point line move in or out, but it could also get new curves or wiggles in it. Similarly, it would be fun to have the foul line move around, and for the court to sometimes get narrower and sometimes wider. Keep the players on their toes.

Also, the number of players allowed on the court per team should change at random intervals for each team.

And I should be commissioner.

Those are my demands.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

It seems to me it would leave the 3-point shot as a good come-back tool, but the rest of the time the game would be played the way Dr. Naismith intended it to be.

Basketball players weren't 6'10'' athletes with 8' reaches and the explosion to get from halfcourt to the rim in a few steps in Naismith's day. With the space that NBA players can cover now, spacing is essential for a game with flow. If Dr. Naismith were alive today, he'd see the need for a three-point shot.

 

[e_blazer]

Basketball players weren't 6'10'' athletes with 8' reaches and the explosion to get from halfcourt to the rim in a few steps in Naismith's day. With the space that NBA players can cover now, spacing is essential for a game with flow. If Dr. Naismith were alive today, he'd see the need for a three-point shot.

Guess I should have used green font.