OT: McSteroids?

[Boob-No-More]

"I've been hearing rumors about how Josh McRoberts has been living in the weight room this offseason.

I saw it with my own eyes when I ran into him at Conseco Fieldhouse earlier this week.
McRoberts said he's put on 20 pounds of muscle since the end of the season.

The Pacers want to re-sign McRoberts, who appeared in 33 games last season.

A Pacers official told me they envision McRoberts being like Denver's Birdman. They like McRoberts' athleticism, energy and rebounding ability off the bench."

McRoberts wasn't exactly known as a hard worker during his season in Portland. Even if he has become a workout monster since he left Portland, I find it difficult to believe he (or anyone) can add 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months without a little "help".

BNM

 

[hasoos]

20 lbs for a guy that size isn't a problem at all. You have to remember that doesn't mean he just weights 20 pounds more, he may have leaned up a lot and actually lost some weight.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

So that would put him in the 260 range. 20 lbs in a few months is kinda fishy.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I saw that comparison with the Birdman and it's about the most laughably inappropriate comparison I've ever seen. McRoberts was seen as #1 player in his high school class and has consistently underachieved. He's all finesse and no hustle. Andersen always was a nobody, and has very little in terms of basketball skills but competes like crazy. The only thing they have in common is skin tone and surprising athleticism for same.

 

[Nikolokolus]

"I've been hearing rumors about how Josh McRoberts has been living in the weight room this offseason.

I saw it with my own eyes when I ran into him at Conseco Fieldhouse earlier this week.
McRoberts said he's put on 20 pounds of muscle since the end of the season.

The Pacers want to re-sign McRoberts, who appeared in 33 games last season.

A Pacers official told me they envision McRoberts being like Denver's Birdman. They like McRoberts' athleticism, energy and rebounding ability off the bench."

McRoberts wasn't exactly known as a hard worker during his season in Portland. Even if he has become a workout monster since he left Portland, I find it difficult to believe he (or anyone) can add 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months without a little "help".

BNM

20 lbs of muscle in two months is pretty hard to imagine, but if you have the frame for it and if you lift for bulk it's reasonable that he could have packed on 10-15 lbs of muscle mass given the fact that you thicken up as you go through your early twenties. I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion he's juicing, but you never know I guess

 

[alex42083]

The good thing about Josh is he netted us Jerryd. Thanks Josh.

 

[hasoos]

20 lbs of muscle in two months is pretty hard to imagine, but if you have the frame for it and if you lift for bulk it's reasonable that he could have packed on 10-15 lbs of muscle mass given the fact that you thicken up as you go through your early twenties. I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion he's juicing, but you never know I guess

No it's not. When I used to lift I could fluctuate 10 pounds in a week if I wanted to and I am only 6' tall. See the thing is, when you first start lifting, there are huge gains. Josh looked to me like he had never really lifted seriously in his life before now. A doughboy can make huge changes in the weight room fast, because there is a lot to gain.

 

[Nikolokolus]

No it's not. When I used to lift I could fluctuate 10 pounds in a week if I wanted to and I am only 6' tall. See the thing is, when you first start lifting, there are huge gains. Josh looked to me like he had never really lifted seriously in his life before now. A doughboy can make huge changes in the weight room fast, because there is a lot to gain.

If we're talking pure mass and including water weight then yes a good deal of fluctuation is normal, but 20 lbs of muscle in two months would be tough, especially for a pro athlete that (supposedly) is already pretty lean.

 

[hasoos]

If we're talking pure mass and including water weight then yes a good deal of fluctuation is normal, but 20 lbs of muscle in two months would be tough, especially for a pro athlete that (supposedly) is already pretty lean.

But thats just it. He wasn't pretty lean. He was a doughboy with good hops.

 

[STOMP]

If we're talking pure mass and including water weight then yes a good deal of fluctuation is normal, but 20 lbs of muscle in two months would be tough, especially for a pro athlete that (supposedly) is already pretty lean.

being committed to conditioning could also include a change in diet...

STOMP

 

[Boob-No-More]

"A Pacers official told me they envision McRoberts being like Denver's Birdman"

Does this mean McRoberts is getting ink done (he asked for a 13, but they drew a 31)? Every time I seen Birdman's tats, I think of that song. Even the title fits his Birdman persona (and complexion) - Pretty Fly for a White Guy.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

No it's not. When I used to lift I could fluctuate 10 pounds in a week if I wanted to and I am only 6' tall. See the thing is, when you first start lifting, there are huge gains. Josh looked to me like he had never really lifted seriously in his life before now. A doughboy can make huge changes in the weight room fast, because there is a lot to gain.

I'm not disputing that it's not possible for a 6'10" guy's weight to fluctuate 10 - 20 lbs. What I found hard to believe is that he's gained 20 lbs. of muscle. Weight fluctuation includes fluids, fat and muscle. Usually what happens when someone starts seriosuly working out for the first time is they lose fat, and fluids. That leads to improved definition. Then you start to build muscle mass. Adding 20 lbs. of muscle mass is a lot different than gaining 20 lbs. Adding 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months is highly unlikely without some sort of nutritional supplement (either legal or illegal).

BNM

 

[Nikolokolus]

But thats just it. He wasn't pretty lean. He was a doughboy with good hops.

A doughboy? I don't remember him being especially thick when he played here. In any case I think we're arguing semantics here, I said 10-15 lbs of lean muscle mass wasn't out of the realm of possibility in eight weeks, I just said 20 lbs. would be tough and didn't necessarily indicate he was juicing.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm not disputing that it's not possible for a 6'10" guy's weight to fluctuate 10 - 20 lbs. What I found hard to believe is that he's gained 20 lbs. of muscle. Weight fluctuation includes fluids, fat and muscle. Usually what happens when someone starts seriosuly working out for the first time is they lose fat, and fluids. That leads to improved definition. Then you start to build muscle mass. Adding 20 lbs. of muscle mass is a lot different than gaining 20 lbs. Adding 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months is highly unlikely without some sort of nutritional supplement (either legal or illegal).

I think it's more likely that he gained 20 lbs (some of it muscle, but not all of it), and it's being hyped as "20 lbs of pure muscle," than that he's juicing.

It seems like that that happens a fair amount...a player puts on some weight and it's incorrectly reported as being all muscle mass.

 

[handiman]

I'm not disputing that it's not possible for a 6'10" guy's weight to fluctuate 10 - 20 lbs. What I found hard to believe is that he's gained 20 lbs. of muscle.

Factual details... Take creatine and you'll probably put on 10 lbs of water weight, but most people will refer to that as 10 lbs of muscle. Strength goes up, so why not?

 

[hasoos]

A doughboy? I don't remember him being especially thick when he played here. In any case I think we're arguing semantics here, I said 10-15 lbs of lean muscle mass wasn't out of the realm of possibility in eight weeks, I just said 20 lbs. would be tough and didn't necessarily indicate he was juicing.

Doughboy doesn't mean fat. Doughboy means soft. Soft like dough.

 

[RickyRubio]

Well what defines "muscle" weight and just weight in general? Is there really a way to measure if you gained "muscle" weight? He probably just gained 16 to 18 pounds of weight when he looked on his scale, rounded up and told the reported it was muscle weight to make himself look good.

In any event... who cares. He still sucks.

 

[RickyRubio]

The good thing about Josh is he netted us Jerryd. Thanks Josh.

Heck yeah! Thanks Josh!

yeah, you measure body composition before and after the two months. Or you can straight up stick 'em in this little water tank that x-rays shit and can eve tell you which leg has more fat than the other.

Prob true on the 2nd part.

I know nothing about weights, muscle and all that crap. I am a computer geek.

 

[PapaG]

"I've been hearing rumors about how Josh McRoberts has been living in the weight room this offseason.

I saw it with my own eyes when I ran into him at Conseco Fieldhouse earlier this week.
McRoberts said he's put on 20 pounds of muscle since the end of the season.

The Pacers want to re-sign McRoberts, who appeared in 33 games last season.

A Pacers official told me they envision McRoberts being like Denver's Birdman. They like McRoberts' athleticism, energy and rebounding ability off the bench."

McRoberts wasn't exactly known as a hard worker during his season in Portland. Even if he has become a workout monster since he left Portland, I find it difficult to believe he (or anyone) can add 20 lbs. of muscle mass in two months without a little "help".

BNM

Oden put on at least 20 lbs of muscle when he was injured, maybe even more. Do you think he was on steroids as well, or are we only looking to anonymously smear/libel players on other teams?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Oden put on at least 20 lbs of muscle when he was injured, maybe even more. Do you think he was on steroids as well, or are we only looking to anonymously smear/libel players on other teams?

Ah yes, the famous PapaG strawman. No, I don't think Greg Oden was on steroids. He was also away from the game for about 19 months due to his injury and put on a lot more than 20 lbs. He gained at least 35 lbs. and not all of it (or even most of it) was muscle. His weight gain was over a much longer period than 2 months, and was due primarily to inactivity.

I think the claim that McRoberts gained 20 lbs. of muscle is highly suspect. It would be very difficult for anyone to pack on that much muscle that quickly without some sort of supplement. Did McRoberts gain 20 lbs. in 2 months? Quite possibly. Did McRoberts gain 20 lbs. of muscle in 2 months? Unlikely.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Ah yes, the famous PapaG strawman. No, I don't think Greg Oden was on steroids. He was also away from the game for about 19 months due to his injury and put on a lot more than 20 lbs. He gained at least 35 lbs. and not all of it (or even most of it) was muscle. His weight gain was over a much longer period than 2 months, and was due primarily to inactivity.

I think the claim that McRoberts gained 20 lbs. of muscle is highly suspect. It would be very difficult for anyone to pack on that much muscle that quickly without some sort of supplement. Did McRoberts gain 20 lbs. in 2 months? Quite possibly. Did McRoberts gain 20 lbs. of muscle in 2 months? Unlikely.

BNM

You titled the thread "OT: McSteroids?", so I assume that you are questioning the integrity of McRoberts' weight gain. I only was wondering why you decided to post this thread and its obvious intent now, when in the past year Portland has had a player with similar gains in muscle. Without any proof, this thread seems like a passive-aggressive (and cowardly, since anonymous) method of rumor-mongering. If I misunderstood the meaning of "OT: McSteroids?", my bad.

 

[RoyToy]

It's impossible to put on 20 LBs of muscle in 2 months(assuming something illegal wasn't used). The writer probably just worded it wrong.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You titled the thread "OT: McSteroids?", so I assume that you are questioning the integrity of McRoberts' weight gain. I only was wondering why you decided to post this thread and its obvious intent now, when in the past year Portland has had a player with similar gains in muscle. Without any proof, this thread seems like a passive-aggressive (and cowardly, since anonymous) method of rumor-mongering. If I misunderstood the meaning of "OT: McSteroids?", my bad.

Notice the "?" mark in the title. It was a QUESTION not an accusation or statement of fact.

If a player, who has a history of being unmotivated and lazy, suddenly claims to have gained 20 lbs. of muscle in 2 months, is it not reasonable to question such claims?

BNM

 

[RoyToy]

Why do people who don't know a goddamned thing keep making definitive statements? Bullshit that it's impossible, I've done it. Now 20lbs in 1 month would be pushing the limits a bit, but 10 lbs a month for 2 months is quite possible, especially for near 7 footers. I'm 5'10" and in a 2 month period (Jan -early March, cuz Feb is short) in 2003 I went from 172 to 200lbs and a good 18-20lbs of it was muscle (variation due to margin of error using calipers). Of course I'd been over 200lbs before and I ate and lifted like crazy, but I did it at 1 foot shorter than McBob.

With creatine (and god help you motherfuckers if you think it's a steroid, or otherwise illegal substance), high BCAA intake, eatign a LOT, lifting a lot, and a little bullshitting of the numbers, yeah... McBob probably put on 17-20lbs of muscle in a month. Most assuredly not impossible.

To twist a phrase, learn human biology and physiology, then post.

20 LBs in 2 months is definitely possible. 20 LBs of PURE muscle? Nope. Impossible without PEDs.

 

[PapaG]

Notice the "?" mark in the title. It was a QUESTION not an accusation or statement of fact.
If a player, who has a history of being unmotivated and lazy, suddenly claims to have gained 20 lbs. of muscle in 2 months, is it not reasonable to question such claims?

BNM

It was a passive-aggressive and inflammatory smear/cheap shot. You have no credible proof that McRoberts used steroids, and this is the first time I seen it considered about him. Own it.

 

[PapaG]

who fucking cares? is bnm a journalist? Is this a court record?

For those keeping score at home, the answers to today's quizz are:

1.) PapaG and nobody
2.) Nope
3.) Not at all

Hey, if we can post any wild-ass guess threads, let's do it. I happen to think it's chickenshit to anonymously start threads like this one without any proof at all. Put your name to it if you're going to speculate about somebody's integrity. If a person is going to speculate without any proof, they should expect to be challenged a bit.

 

[PapaG]

Well, that's your value, and I think that's a respectable one, but this is an online forum, almost all we do is post wild-ass guess threads. It is not as though this is an actionable accusation.

I think in real life, it's a stand up thing that you expect out of others, but online, well, don't get your hopes up.

Fair enough, but guessing about trades isn't the same thing as glossing a guy "McSteroids" without any proof. Now, an "A-ROID" thread I'm cool with, but that's because there is proof. I'm also fine with a "BARROIDS" thread about Bonds since he admitted to taking "the clear". But what did McRoberts do other than try and improve himself?

 

[Boob-No-More]

"I happen to think it's chickenshit to anonymously start threads like this one without any proof at all."

And I think it's a chickeshit to call someone else chickenshit anonymously. God it's SO dripping with irony.

Crap. I may have to take you off ignore just for the comedic value of your ridiculous holier-than-thou rants.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

"I happen to think it's chickenshit to anonymously start threads like this one without any proof at all."

And I think it's a chickeshit to call someone else chickenshit anonymously. God it's SO dripping with irony.

Crap. I may have to take you off ignore just for the comedic value of your ridiculous holier-than-thou rants.

BNM

You're not "someone". That would require some accountability behind your words. You're "Boob No More". Thus, this thread is a chickenshit move IMO. Do you have anymore wild-ass smear threads you want to start sans any proof at all? As for me being "anonymous", that's the point. If I started a thread based on no proof at all about a real person, I'd have no problem being criticized for it. I also don't see how me seeing this thread as "chickenshit" is ironic at all. You may want to consult a dictionary on the word "irony", because you're missing a piece.

You also may want to take me off of ignore to try and refute the amazing similarities between Blair's and Traylor's statistics in their final collegiate season.

 

[ehizzy3]

jesus christ papag will argue about anything and everything that has no relevance