OT NBA Refs Are a Damn Joke

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

game was horribly called tonight in the 4th. such bullshit.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

game was horribly called tonight in the 4th. such bullshit.

Agreed

 

[huevonkiller]

And here I thought them missing 11 shots in a row in the fourth quarter of a tied game cost them. :O

Denver shot 49 free throws last game, and have 8 more FTs for the entire series.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Missing the 11 shots is probably the main cause, but it still seemed like the refs were trying to give LA the game. They only won by 9 with Denver shooting a terrible percentage and the refs on their side. I think Denver will win at home and game 7 will be a great game to watch.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

And here I thought them missing 11 shots in a row in the fourth quarter of a tied game cost them. :O

Denver shot 49 free throws last game, and have 8 more FTs for the entire series.

came down to bad calls that took them out of the game.

those two last fouls on Nene were absolute bullshit. Its hard to make shots in the paint when you're getting hacked.

 

[huevonkiller]

came down to bad calls that took them out of the game.

those two last fouls on Nene were absolute bullshit. Its hard to make shots in the paint when you're getting hacked.

Nene got some tough calls that's true, so did Bynum, Fish, a couple of others.

I saw Melo jumping into guys all day and JR loving Kobe's jersey (edit-sometimes, he did fine overall just saying). The FTs were pretty even.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Nene got some tough calls that's true, so did Bynum, Fish, a couple of others.

I saw Melo jumping into guys all day and JR loving Kobe's jersey. The FTs were pretty even.

Not in the 4th. pretty horribly one-sided if you axe me.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Nene got some tough calls that's true, so did Bynum, Fish, a couple of others.

I saw Melo jumping into guys all day and JR loving Kobe's jersey. The FTs were pretty even.

Smith's defense was just good D for the most part. I will say that Melo just jumps in to guys and hopes for the foul, but honestly its good strategy if they are in the restricted area.. Gasol did a good job of avoiding the contact but still making a play for the ball.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

why even have a restricted area when Lamar Odom can just elbow you out of the way and its a charge!

 

[huevonkiller]

Smith's defense was just good D for the most part. I will say that Melo just jumps in to guys and hopes for the foul, but honestly its good strategy if they are in the restricted area.. Gasol did a good job of avoiding the contact but still making a play for the ball.

Sure I'll give ya that.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Odoms dunk "and 1" on Anderson was clearly, without a doubt, an offensive foul. He completely moved him out of the way with his off arm. That was ridiculous.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Pau Gasol falls on Nene....foul on Nene.

Nene posts up. offensive foul.

just fucking ridiculous.

now i remember why i stopped watching after the blazers got eliminated. fuck the NBA and their fixed ass games. Ron Garretson, eat a dick.

 

[huevonkiller]

Missing the 11 shots is probably the main cause, but it still seemed like the refs were trying to give LA the game. They only won by 9 with Denver shooting a terrible percentage and the refs on their side. I think Denver will win at home and game 7 will be a great game to watch.

Hm yeah LA will need a good effort to beat them in Denver, they dominated us 49-35 on the FT line last time. Their homecourt is terrific you can't play around there, they're a good opponent.

 

[hasoos]

The facts are if you are going to win a finals, the officiating is just one of the obstacles you have to deal with on your way there. You just have to play so hard that the even the ref's can't take it from you. The thing that bothers me the most about it though is that in the NFL and in baseball, you don't see this type of conversation, the reason being, this type of horseshit rarely happens. Secondly, in those leagues, you can't foul out of a game, so the ref calls have a much lesser effect on the game. If a guy picks up a couple of extra fouls in basketball, he isn't on the floor in possible critical minutes. In the NFL, you get a few yards tacked on. In baseball, it is merely safe, out or foul ball, or the rare corked bat.

 

[Wheels]

Pau Gasol falls on Nene....foul on Nene.

Nene posts up. offensive foul.

just fucking ridiculous.

now i remember why i stopped watching after the blazers got eliminated. fuck the NBA and their fixed ass games. Ron Garretson, eat a dick.

Dahntay Jones trips Kobe on purpose, no one does Jack until after the game.. la-dee-frickin-da.
Kobe gets hacked at the rim.. no call. Lebron gets breathed on- Foul. Its crappy for everyone its not one sided.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Why are so many calls getting rescinded and upgraded after the fact? This doesn't happen in the regular season, so why are the refs so inept at making judgment calls?

 

[LittleAlex]

Yes it was, and the NBA rescinded it.

Did they take back the point it created that sent the game into overtime instead of Orlando winning in regulation? In a tight game like the ones in this series, giving a point away for that kind of bullshit is crooked no matter what after the fact bookkeeping is done.

The NBA admitting the mistake after the fact changes almost nothing. In fact, it only makes it worse. It would have been a real kick in the balls if the Magic had lost that game.

 

[Minstrel]

The NBA admitting the mistake after the fact changes almost nothing.

It makes a fairly significant difference. With that technical, he was at 6 for the post-season. At 7, the player gets an automatic one-game suspension. So, prior to the rescinded technical foul, Howard was facing a suspension on his next loss of control.

Now he has one loss of control to play with. Considering he has 5 other "non-mistake" technical fouls this post-season, that's probably pretty important for him.

 

[BengalDuck]

Bill Simmons wrote maybe his finest column in years, regarding the NBA and their terrible officiating.

It really is too bad that credible/non-humorist columnists can't write the same thing for The Network (tm), but politics are politics.

 

[rocketeer]

dwight's 6th tech was a legitimate tech. it only got rescinded because it was his 6th and they don't want him getting suspended for an important game due to techs. he scored and then turned to varejao who was on the ground, flexed, and apparently yelled "motherfucker". i mean sometimes similar things to that aren't called techs, but they very frequently are.

there's video of the trip. it looks like a play that in my mind gets called a blocking foul more often than not. pietrus puts himself in lebron's way and lebron trips on his foot falling into pietrus.

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at 1:40 it shows dwight clearly fouling varejao on the lob pass before what could be considered a foul on varejao.

 

[Minstrel]

there's video of the trip. it looks like a play that in my mind gets called a blocking foul more often than not. pietrus puts himself in lebron's way and lebron trips on his foot falling into pietrus.

I still don't think that that's a legitimate blocking foul. A defender is allowed to be in front of the ball-handler...that is the point of playing defense. The contact is initiated by James...he extends his off-arm into Pietrus' chest as he drives, just before he enters the paint, Pietrus falls backward and then James trips. I don't think it's an offensive foul, but it's also not a blocking foul, IMO. It might sometimes be called, but usually not. When it is called, it's generally considered a "bailout foul," saving a player who was out of control from a turnover.

It should have been a no-call and it would have been a turnover.

 

[rocketeer]

I still don't think that that's a legitimate blocking foul. A defender is allowed to be in front of the ball-handler...that is the point of playing defense. The contact is initiated by James...he extends his off-arm into Pietrus' chest as he drives, just before he enters the paint, Pietrus falls backward and then James trips. I don't think it's an offensive foul, but it's also not a blocking foul, IMO. It might sometimes be called, but usually not. When it is called, it's generally considered a "bailout foul," saving a player who was out of control from a turnover.

It should have been a no-call and it would have been a turnover.

the defender is allowed to be in front of the ballhandler, but it appears that lebron is going to have him beat and then pietrus turns sideways and throws himself in lebron's path and getting to that spot is when lebron trips on his foot.

i don't know. i wouldn't be complaining if they hadn't called it, but i'm not complaining that they did call it either.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Howard did not turn to Varejao and flex.. he actually turned away and flexed. Regardless of what he yelled, he wasn't "taunting" Varejao. They let the players do whatever they want if they aren't clearly taunting someone by stand over them or starting at them and saying something to them.

 

[rocketeer]

Howard did not turn to Varejao and flex.. he actually turned away and flexed. Regardless of what he yelled, he wasn't "taunting" Varejao. They let the players do whatever they want if they aren't clearly taunting someone by stand over them or starting at them and saying something to them.

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you sure about that? it seems to me like he definitely looks back down at varejao, yells, and does something with his arms.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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you sure about that? it seems to me like he definitely looks back down at varejao, yells, and does something with his arms.

I must not be seeing what you are seeing. Because I see him turn away. If he is facing Varejao it is for a split second while he was turning away..

 

[rocketeer]

I must not be seeing what you are seeing. Because I see him turn away. If he is facing Varejao it is for a split second while he was turning away..

i think he definitely looks down and yells at varejao before turning away.

the league rescinded it which is fine, i just didn't understand the complaints magic fans had about the call. that's something that isn't called a tech every time, but definitely is something that can be called a technical any time it happens.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Oh yeah I agree that it can be called a technical. The thing that upsets me is the inconsistency of the call. Like in the LA - Houston series when Kobe got a tech for saying "he can't guard me" talking about Battier. I guarantee Kobe and other players do that or something similar multiple times a game, and the refs ignore it. To call that at a crucial moment like that is unacceptable to me, because they don't call it throughout the whole game. If he had lingered over him and it had been obvious then sure, but he was barely facing him.

 

[LittleAlex]

dwight's 6th tech was a legitimate tech. it only got rescinded because it was his 6th and they don't want him getting suspended for an important game due to techs. he scored and then turned to varejao who was on the ground, flexed, and apparently yelled "motherfucker". i mean sometimes similar things to that aren't called techs, but they very frequently are.

You really think a guy getting pumped about finishing a play deserves a technical foul? That rule is absolute crap. I could honestly care less if by the letter of the law Dwight deserved a tech. The very existence of that rule is garbage.

Varejao should consider himself very lucky he plays in the NBA during the pussification of the league. Back in the day Dwight would yelled motherfucker at him as he threw him into the 4th row.

 

[hasoos]

The taunting rule is complete bullshit. It was never taunting that caused fights in the NBA. It has always been cheap shots and really hard fouls. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the anti taunting rule does nothing but actually remove intensity from the game. All players should have to worry about is simple. Don't talk shit to the refs, and don't get into a fight, and they shouldn't have to think about anything else.

Any time they put more subjective calls into the hands of the ref, it is a bad thing. We talk about how we don't like this call or that call. Why doesn't somebody ask why some of these rules are present in the first place, and if it is really needed. No rule, no bad call. Transparency increases, fans are happy.

 

[rocketeer]

the thing is, they call that all the time. doesn't matter if i think they should or not, they make that call a lot. so it should come as no surprise that they would make the call there.