OT - Parsons a Maverick

[B-Roy]

The fact Houston choose Ariza over Parsons allows them to put more pieces around Howard and Harden.

It's not about choosing Ariza over Parsons though. They could have KEPT Parsons....for $1 million dollars. That's like spare change.

Given the situation they found themselves in, yeah, Ariza was probably the right move. They should have never been in that situation in the first place though.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I agree. Ariza is worth 8 mil/yr for his defense and 3 pt shooting. Rumor was the Wizards were ready to offer 10 mil/yr, but didn't want 4 yrs, only 2. Wizards are going to try to pull a "Durant come back home" in 2016 and making sure they have cap space to make that offer to Durant.

Yeah, I read an article about that earlier today. That'll be huge if they can entice Durant back home. Washington will actually have a team worthy of watching since the Redskins (Joe Gibbs and the Hogs)!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Talk about over the hill...

Houston: Boozer and Jammer

Ptd: Kaman and Blake

I think Houston/Ptd is turning into a rivalry.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Houston: Boozer and Jammer

Ptd: Kaman and Blake

I think Houston/Ptd is turning into a rivalry.

Except we opted for the bland white bread.

Seriously, Blake will help stabilize the bench as the back-up pg while Kaman hopefully has a healthy season.

 

[B-Roy]

Houston: Boozer and Jammer

Ptd: Kaman and Blake

I think Houston/Ptd is turning into a rivalry.

All 4 players suck, but at least Portland is set at the starter positions at C/PG. Boozer and Jameer might actually start over Bev/TJones. Yikes.

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree. Ariza is worth 8 mil/yr for his defense and 3 pt shooting. Rumor was the Wizards were ready to offer 10 mil/yr, but didn't want 4 yrs, only 2. Wizards are going to try to pull a "Durant come back home" in 2016 and making sure they have cap space to make that offer to Durant.

8 million a year is great.... IF they get the Ariza that played last year with Washington. Go look at his stats. He has only had two good seasons in his entire career. It's a pretty big gamble actually.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It's not about choosing Ariza over Parsons though. They could have KEPT Parsons....for $1 million dollars. That's like spare change.

Given the situation they found themselves in, yeah, Ariza was probably the right move. They should have never been in that situation in the first place though.

Yeah Draco pointed that out and had a good breakdown of the Rockets situation. If they match Parsons instead of extending him they would have been paying about 25 million of so for one extra yr. Mistake on Morey's part but I see how it happened. He wanted all the cap space possible to go after Melo and figured they could always just match Parsons. Downfall was all big FAs went elsewhere and he couldn't sign one , where he presumed he could sign one and then make a decision on Parsons. (If they could have signed even a PF with 10-15 mil/yr, I think they match on Parsons. But biggest Fa left seem to be Ariza, who happens to play same position as Parsons.)

When all that fell apart, I think he made the most of it by signing Ariza and leaving himself some more money to make more moves.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You guys are wasting a lot of time and energy thinking of ways to make the Rockets better.

Traders all of you!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

8 million a year is great.... IF they get the Ariza that played last year with Washington. Go look at his stats. He has only had two good seasons in his entire career. It's a pretty big gamble actually.

It is a gamble . . . but 15 mil/yr for parsons with an opt out after 2 yrs is also a huge gamble, IMO. Easy to love Parsons at 1 million/yr . . . now that he is getting paid the big bucks, let's see if he performs like a big time player with all the expectations and teams keying on him.

reminds me of the Nic situation and if I remember right, you didn't think the Blazers should have matched Minny's offer.

 

[B-Roy]

Yeah Draco pointed that out and had a good breakdown of the Rockets situation. If they match Parsons instead of extending him they would have been paying about 25 million of so for one extra yr. Mistake on Morey's part but I see how it happened. He wanted all the cap space possible to go after Melo and figured they could always just match Parsons. Downfall was all big FAs went elsewhere and he couldn't sign one , where he presumed he could sign one and then make a decision on Parsons. (If they could have signed even a PF with 10-15 mil/yr, I think they match on Parsons. But biggest Fa left seem to be Ariza, who happens to play same position as Parsons.)

When all that fell apart, I think he made the most of it by signing Ariza and leaving himself some more money to make more moves.

Yes, this situation is salvageable. But the fact that Morey is trying to salvage their offseason should tell you how much of a disaster it really is.

 

[Natebishop3]

It is a gamble . . . but 15 mil/yr for parsons with an opt out after 2 yrs is also a huge gamble, IMO. Easy to love Parsons at 1 million/yr . . . now that he is getting paid the big bucks, let's see if he performs like a big time player with all the expectations and teams keying on him.

reminds me of the Nic situation and if I remember right, you didn't think the Blazers should have matched Minny's offer.

No, I think at the time I thought he was overpaid, but we were in a lose/lose because we couldn't just let him walk for nothing. Now, with some of the deals being thrown around, Nic is actually very reasonably paid.

 

[Hobbesarable]

It is a gamble . . . but 15 mil/yr for parsons with an opt out after 2 yrs is also a huge gamble, IMO. Easy to love Parsons at 1 million/yr . . . now that he is getting paid the big bucks, let's see if he performs like a big time player with all the expectations and teams keying on him.

reminds me of the Nic situation and if I remember right, you didn't think the Blazers should have matched Minny's offer.

15 mil/yr for Parsons' offense. They won't get much of a return with his defense.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

15 mil/yr for Parsons' offense. They won't get much of a return with his defense.

And with Parson's not having a Harden or Dwight on offense, teams can key on him more, let's see how he performs.

I wasn't impressed with him against Ptd in the playoffs, but he was the talk before the regular season as being the up and coming SF and he delivered. Should be interesting, but if he doesn't continue to improve he will be a disappointment at 15 mil/yr.

 

[Hobbesarable]

And with Parson's not having a Harden or Dwight on offense, teams can key on him more, let's see how he performs.

I wasn't impressed with him against Ptd in the playoffs, but he was the talk before the regular season as being the up and coming SF and he delivered. Should be interesting, but if he doesn't continue to improve he will be a disappointment at 15 mil/yr.

I agree. You make some very good points, ToB.

 

[NewsSource]

The fact Houston choose Ariza over Parsons allows them to put more pieces around Howard and Harden.

More pieces doesn't necessarily mean better pieces, does it? It seems as if Morey created his own Raef Lafrentz situation by trade, and didn't sign anybody who was worth clearing up that space. Signing a Bosh or an Anthony would be better pieces, IMO. Signing amnesty players and the leftover FA scraps can't be terribly exciting for Houston fans.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

More pieces doesn't necessarily mean better pieces, does it? It seems as if Morey created his own Raef Lafrentz situation by trade, and didn't sign anybody who was worth clearing up that space. Signing a Bosh or an Anthony would be better pieces, IMO. Signing amnesty players and the leftover FA scraps can't be terribly exciting for Houston fans.

I think a lot of Rocket fans are thinking like you and there is an pretty hefty Fire Morey thread going on in the Rockets forum.

He did get Dwight and I think Rockets will be just as competitive, but yes the way he shot for the moon wasn't the smartest and has a little Kahn feel to it.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

They just signed Ariza, why would they match Parsons? I think Ariza at 8 mil for 4 yrs is better than Parsons at 15 mil/yr with a player option. Now Morey has more money to pick up another quality player too.

Morey is making the best if the fact Melo and Bosh picked other teams. There are some PFs out there to be had and Rockets are right back
In fight for home court.

I think Morey's biggest mistake was to jump too quickly to clear cap space. Got to believe they could have got somebody for Lin who is an expiring contract and serviceable. Also could have held on to Lin as a back up PG.

Has that Asik deal been made official? Havent seen anything on it. And I agree, I like Ariza for the money over Parsons. He is a better defender and more dynamic on offense. I would have loved to have him here, honestly.

Morey did fail. But he tried. He came close and he if he had just a lil more money he probably would have landed Bosh.

 

[B-Roy]

I think a lot of Rocket fans are thinking like you and there is an pretty hefty Fire Morey thread going on in the Rockets forum.

He did get Dwight and I think Rockets will be just as competitive, but yes the way he shot for the moon wasn't the smartest and has a little Kahn feel to it.

He won twice lost once. I still don't think he's a bad GM but he royally fucked up this offseason, much to the delight of the western conference.

 

[B-Roy]

Has that Asik deal been made official? Havent seen anything on it. And I agree, I like Ariza for the funny over Parsons. He is a better defender and more dynamic on offense. I would have loved to have him here, honestly.

Morey did fail. But he tried. He came close and he if he had just a lil more money he probably would have landed Bosh.

Money had nothing to do with it. He offered Bosh the max.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Has that Asik deal been made official? Havent seen anything on it. And I agree, I like Ariza for the funny over Parsons. He is a better defender and more dynamic on offense. I would have loved to have him here, honestly.

Morey did fail. But he tried. He came close and he if he had just a lil more money he probably would have landed Bosh.

And with Parsons . . . that would have been scary.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Money had nothing to do with it. He offered Bosh the max.

At 96 mil. Miami's was 118

 

[Minstrel]

He won twice lost once. I still don't think he's a bad GM but he royally fucked up this offseason, much to the delight of the western conference.

I agree it's a disaster, relative to expectations, but I don't think he fucked it up. Risks always have downsides and he's facing it. I think the risk he took was defensible and, if I were a fan of Houston, I'd rather he took that gamble than didn't.

But now that he hasn't matched, unless he really puts that $10 million to good use, Houston is a worse team today then they were going into the playoffs.

 

[Minstrel]

At 96 mil. Miami's was 118

$96M was the max anyone outside Miami could offer. He couldn't have upped it any.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

$96M was the max anyone outside Miami could offer. He couldn't have upped it any.

Understand. Miami had the extra year and that's what he went with. Extra year, Extra money. Which is my point.

 

[BlayZa]

im happy all around, mavs overpaid, houston got weaker

 

[Hobbesarable]

Understand. Miami had the extra year and that's what he went with. Extra year, Extra money. Which is my point.

I understood the point you were trying to make with that initial post.

 

[illmatic99]

So they also lost Casspi to NO and gained Alonzo Gee.

lol

 

[Natebishop3]

So they also lost Casspi to NO and gained Alonzo Gee.

lol

Didn't Garcia leave as well?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I understood the point you were trying to make with that initial post.

Like I knew you would

Funny how closely our feelings are similar on this. The point is he tried. He came up short. If Riley was unwilling to max him out harbouring something similar to how some feel about Bosh in here having him being old and washed up. He wouldn't have. In that situation, Morey wins.

 

[B-Roy]

At 96 mil. Miami's was 118

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...-houston-rockets-max-four-year-contract-offer

Chris Bosh is seriously considering the Houston Rockets' maximum contract offer of four years, $88 million, according to sources close to the situation.

Understand. Miami had the extra year and that's what he went with. Extra year, Extra money. Which is my point.

Yes, Bosh went with the extra year, but it had nothing to do with the Rockets though. More money wouldn't have helped the Rockets since they couldn't offer any more.