OT: Simmons says "Nothing has latered the NBA like D'Antoni"

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Kind of a fun little article about how D'Antoni's mentality has impacted the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3797805

We spent so much time arguing SSOL's team merits that we never noticed its effects on careers. Remember what happened to Quentin Richardson when he left Phoenix? (Even Sugar from Survivor didn't disappear as quickly.) Have you seen Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa or Raja Bell this season? (Overpaid bench players, as it turns out.) Or Amaré Stoudemire? (Is he even an All-Star anymore?) Have you caught Al Harrington, David Lee, Nate Robinson and Duhon in the Knicks' version of the SSOL system? (Suddenly, they're gone in every fantasy league.) Most important, has anyone seen Steve Nash lately?
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Look, I love watching Nash and I remain grateful that he helped make the NBA entertaining again. But there are two objectives in basketball (score and defend) and over the years he was exploited defensively more times than Lindsay Lohan. That meant we were voting a DH as MVP. Twice. I voted for Shaq in 2005 and Kobe in 2006—well, in my mind I did—and Nash didn't make my top four either year. Begrudgingly, I grew to accept Nash's stature even if I disagreed with it: He made teammates better and made a seemingly frantic style work for a contender, and his numbers/percentages appealed to stat geeks everywhere (17 points, 11 assists, 51%-91%-44% FG-FT-3FG in his MVP years). Fine. In the big scheme, rewarding an exceedingly likable player twice didn't rank among the 200 worst sports atrocities of this decade.
Then D'Antoni left and Nash's numbers quickly and not-so-coincidentally dropped back to his pre-Phoenix numbers in Dallas. You know, when the Mavericks decided to let him leave after Mike Bibby torched him in the 2004 playoffs. Check it out:
Nash, 2003-04: 78 games, 14.5 PPG, 8.8 APG, 47% FG, 41% 3FG, 92% FT.
Nash, 2008-09: 24 games, 15.5 PPG, 8.5 APG, 48% FG, 42% 3FG, 94% FT.

BTW--Is Amare even an All Star anymore? I always thought the guy was a little overhyped (Bad defense and mediocre rebounding.)
 
BTW--Is Amare even an All Star anymore? I always thought the guy was a little overhyped (Bad defense and mediocre rebounding.)

Stoudemire has fallen off from last year, but he's still definitely an All-Star, IMO. I agree that his defense is poor, but I wouldn't call his rebounding mediocre. He's not a rebounding machine like Dwight Howard, Joel Przybilla or Greg Oden, but he's a very solid rebounder for his career. The main thing is that he's scoring less and on lesser efficiency, and his rebounding has declined a bit this season.

It will be interesting to see if, long-term, he's a superstar (as he was last year) or "merely" a star (as he is this year). Was last year a career year or is this year a down season?
 
I have always said that there are a lot of guys in the league that should give part of their paycheck, to Mike D'Antoni and his up tempo system.
 
D'Antoni = very entertaining ball and will put butts in the seats, but will never win a title by outscoring other teams. You still need to get stops if you want to be a championship team.
 
What numbers would we see from Roy, Fernandez, Blake, LaMarcus, Greg in the SSOL system?

I think Bayless would thrive in a system like that.
 
D'Antoni = very entertaining ball and will put butts in the seats, but will never win a title by outscoring other teams. You still need to get stops if you want to be a championship team.

No, actually outscoring the other team is the deciding factor.

There is no other way to win a Title other than by outscoring the other team.
 
What numbers would we see from Roy, Fernandez, Blake, LaMarcus, Greg in the SSOL system?

I think Bayless would thrive in a system like that.

But Roy would struggle, and Blake would be used as an SG.
 
NBA teams are all copy cats. But they only copy those that win it all. Until he wins a title he will be entertaining only. Too bad he got screwed against San Antonio two years ago or we might see a more entertaining NBA. But hstory shows that half court teams win more titles.
 
D'Antoni = very entertaining ball and will put butts in the seats, but will never win a title by outscoring other teams. You still need to get stops if you want to be a championship team.

I don't know that this is really true. 28 other teams fail every year to win a championship, and most of them don't come nearly as close as D'Antoni's Suns teams.

You have one guy using one system, and 29 teams using another system. Is it really fair to call the one guy using the different system a failure just because he can't beat all the 29 others?

If D'Antoni were to coach the Spurs or the Celtics, can anyone really say with certainty that it's inconceivable he'd win a championship? If Popovich coached the 2006 Suns, would they have had any more success?
 
I followed the link just to see what "latered" meant. I was guessing "lathered". Wrong again.

barfo
 
I followed the link just to see what "latered" meant. I was guessing "lathered". Wrong again.

barfo

Personally, I had thought nobody latered the NBA like Jeff Van Gundy.
 
No, actually outscoring the other team is the deciding factor.

There is no other way to win a Title other than by outscoring the other team.

Haha! This post, FTW!

(Although, it's not technically true - you just need to outscore them on 4 different nights over the course of two weeks.)
 
D'Antoni brings nothing new to the game.

We've had uptempo coaches since at least the early 70's.
 
The statistic of D'Antoni's effect on Nash is revealing.
 
Simmons is a fucking moron.

Diaw is on pace for one of the best years of his career in Charlotte... that Simmons is calling him a bench player shows he's not really paying attention. QRich was better for the Clippers than he was for Phoenix. David Lee's PER is down.

He totally misrepresents Nash's Dallas career, ignoring that two of his four highest scoring years were not under D'Antoni.

Is that column even funny? I ask because I don't ever find him funny, but in this one it looks like he just mailed it in.

Ed O.
 
Simmons is a fucking moron.

Diaw is on pace for one of the best years of his career in Charlotte... that Simmons is calling him a bench player shows he's not really paying attention. QRich was better for the Clippers than he was for Phoenix. David Lee's PER is down.

He totally misrepresents Nash's Dallas career, ignoring that two of his four highest scoring years were not under D'Antoni.

Is that column even funny? I ask because I don't ever find him funny, but in this one it looks like he just mailed it in.
he also calls Chris Duhon a career backup when even prior to this year he'd started more games then he's come off the bench. That was in the very first paragraph setting up his premise... I didn't read on.

I rarely read him because his stuff is so smarmy opinion heavy/facts lite... this just seems to be more of the same

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