Over 1,500 Christians killed in Iraq yesterday and nobody cares

[SlyPokerDog]

Christians in Iraq are terrorists, from the viewpoint of most of Iraq's citizenry. They are primarily transplanted westerners living there for the sole purpose of "converting" Iraqis to Christianity. They deliberately stirred up a hornet's nest by disrespecting all other religions there and now they can deal with the consequences of their actions.

Seriously, do you think before you post?

The Christians of Iraq are considered to be one of the oldest surviving continuous Christian communities in the world. The vast majority are Eastern Aramaic-speaking ethnic Assyrians; however, there is a very small community of Armenians, too.

Christianity was brought to Iraq in the 1st century AD by the Apostles Thomas and Addai (Thaddaeus) and his pupils Aggagi and Mari. Thomas and Thaddeus belonged to the twelve Apostles.[6] Iraq's Eastern Aramaic speaking Assyrian Christian communities are believed to be among the oldest in the world.
The Assyrian people adopted Christianity in the 1st century AD[5] and Assyria became the centre of Eastern Rite Christianity and Syriac literature from the 1st century AD until the Middle Ages. In the early centuries after the Arab Islamic conquest, native Assyrian (known as Ashuriyun by the Arabs) scholars and doctors played an influential role in Iraq, however, from the late 13th century AD through to the present time, Assyrian Christians have suffered both religious and ethnic persecution, including a number of massacres.[7] Northern Iraq remained predominantly Assyrian, Eastern Aramaic speaking and Christian until the destructions of Tamerlane at the end of the 14th century. The Assyrian Church of the East has its origin in what is now South East Turkey and Assuristan (Sassanid Assyria). By the end of the 13th century there were twelve Nestorian dioceses in a strip from Peking to Samarkand. When the 14th-century Muslim warlord of Turco-Mongol descent, Timur (Tamerlane), conquered Persia, Mesopotamia and Syria, the civilian population was decimated. Timur had 70,000 Assyrian Christians beheaded in Tikrit, and 90,000 more in Baghdad.[8][9] A new epoch began in the 17th century when Emir Afrasiyab of Basra allowed the Portuguese to build a church outside of the city. In the year of Iraq´s formal independence, 1933, the Iraqi military carried out large-scale massacres against the Assyrians (Simele massacre) which had supported the British colonial administration before.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq#cite_note-history-5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq

 

[magnifier661]

Christians in Iraq are terrorists, from the viewpoint of most of Iraq's citizenry. They are primarily transplanted westerners living there for the sole purpose of "converting" Iraqis to Christianity. They deliberately stirred up a hornet's nest by disrespecting all other religions there and now they can deal with the consequences of their actions.

Certainly no reason for Americans to lose lives over it.

So in other words, if they are Christians, they deserve to die?

 

[Further]

The US?! I'm talking about those in this thread. But let's be honest here... When Putan made a declaration that anyone gay would go to prison, many wanted to boycott the Olympics or make sure that law is not exercised in Russia.

Should we give them visas or arm themselves against the tyranny of Russia?

If the Olympics were being held in Iraq I bet there would be even more people wanting to boycott. But that's not the case. You are wanting people to do something, but the options are severely fucking limited. A) do nothing at all. B) bomb Isis and try to lessen the threat from afar. C) have very limited numbers of troops there to train and organize the logistics, but not do any fighting. D) arm the Iraqis to overthrow Isis. E) put boots on the ground and go back in for actual combat. The US is already doing B,C and D, so what the fuck else should we be doing, I mean aside from complaining on the Internet and sounding tough.

 

[Natebishop3]

How many Americans do you think actually side with Isis?

And again, what would you like to see done?

Unleash the drone army!

 

[magnifier661]

If the Olympics were being held in Iraq I bet there would be even more people wanting to boycott. But that's not the case. You are wanting people to do something, but the options are severely fucking limited. A) do nothing at all. B) bomb Isis and try to lessen the threat from afar. C) have very limited numbers of troops there to train and organize the logistics, but not do any fighting. D) arm the Iraqis to overthrow Isis. E) put boots on the ground and go back in for actual combat. The US is already doing B,C and D, so what the fuck else should we be doing, I mean aside from complaining on the Internet and sounding tough.

I don't want people to do anything but respect the bravery of those that care enough about their belief, that they are willing to die for it.

Show me where I posted America should intervene?

 

[Minstrel]

Unleash the drone army!

Someone's been watching Star Wars movies, recently. And not even the good ones. The drone army ones.

 

[Further]

I don't want people to do anything but respect the bravery of those that care enough about their belief, that they are willing to die for it.

Show me where I posted America should intervene?

So do you respect the bravery of an Islamic martyr? Willing to die for their beliefs.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Further]

Mags, I never said you said they should intervene, just that the tone of this thread, that we need to do something is off base. We are doing something, quite a bit in fact, but short of boots on the ground.

 

[magnifier661]

So do you respect the bravery of an Islamic martyr? Willing to die for their beliefs.

I do

 

[donkiez]

Genocide and mass murders happen all over the world and no one cares. What makes these christians so special?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Was the Irag part on purpose? If so, touché.

And also, people have been freaking out about the whole bombing, Hamas/Israel, terrorism, human shield stuff for weeks. This wasn't brought up until now and likely never would have.

 

[Further]

I do

I respect kindness, intelligence, hard work and much more, but not the tenacity to hold onto ones misguided beliefs so strongly they lead to murder.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Was the Irag part on purpose? If so, touché.

Nope, just a typo.

 

[Further]

Genocide and mass murders happen all over the world and no one cares. What makes these christians so special?

Well for one, this one is happening in part as a result of us intervening in Iraq in the first place. So, some of that bloodshed lies on us.

 

[magnifier661]

Genocide and mass murders happen all over the world and no one cares. What makes these christians so special?

Do you know that Christian outreach has helped and fed millions of people in third world countries. I think they care

 

[oldguy]

So do you respect the bravery of an Islamic martyr? Willing to die for their beliefs.

You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's beliefs and willing to murder for them?

Go Blazers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's beliefs and willing to murder for them?

Go Blazers

You mean like the soldiers who fought the Germans in two world wars?

 

[oldguy]

You mean like the soldiers who fought the Germans in two world wars?

Yeah, lot's of US soldiers strapped on vests of explosives and targeted women and children for horrible death and dismemberment. That your recollection?

And here I thought the US went 'over there' to help keep the world free from tyranny. I never read much about GI's killing the axis in the name of God.

So, you respect homicide bombers, eh? Good for you.

Go Blazers

 

[donkiez]

Yeah, lot's of US soldiers strapped on vests of explosives and targeted women and children for horrible death and dismemberment. That your recollection?

And here I thought the US went 'over there' to help keep the world free from tyranny. I never read much about GI's killing the axis in the name of God.

So, you respect homicide bombers, eh? Good for you.

Go Blazers

I get your point and find suicide bombers disgusting, but the "right" side is about perspective at the time. Most people dont think they are the bad guys and everyone has a cause, some worth dieing/killing for.

How many civilians have we drone bombed?

 

[magnifier661]

I get your point and find suicide bombers disgusting, but the "right" side is about perspective at the time. Most people dont think they are the bad guys and everyone has a cause, some worth dieing/killing for.

How many civilians have we drone bombed?

You make a good point

 

[Minstrel]

If you disagree with the cause, the label is "terrorists." If you agree with the cause, the label is "freedom fighters" or, sometimes, "rebels."

 

[3RA1N1AC]

and when we do it we call it "low intensity conflict"

 

[Mediocre Man]

No one cares because they were Christian. Had they been killed because they were homosexual or a minority skin color we probably would have invaded already.

 

[oldmangrouch]

No one cares because they were Christian. Had they been killed because they were homosexual or a minority skin color we probably would have invaded already.

Wait...in the past, haven't you said you OPPOSE US involvement in the middle-east?

Besides - the same ISIS terrorists who are killing Christians believe homosexuals should be put to death. The OP linked terrorism to gay marriage, so it seems a relevant observation.

 

[oldguy]

If you disagree with the cause, the label is "terrorists." If you agree with the cause, the label is "freedom fighters" or, sometimes, "rebels."

The label terrorist comes with a cause that includes targeting women and children to make a political statement.

Go Blazers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's beliefs and willing to murder for them?

Go Blazers

You mean like the soldiers who fought the Germans in two world wars?

Yeah, lot's of US soldiers strapped on vests of explosives and targeted women and children for horrible death and dismemberment. That your recollection?

And here I thought the US went 'over there' to help keep the world free from tyranny. I never read much about GI's killing the axis in the name of God.

So, you respect homicide bombers, eh? Good for you.

Go Blazers

No, I didn't say I supported suicide bombers. I was giving you an example of people who murdered for their beliefs. You, IMO, made an inaccurate generalization that denigrates the bravery and sacrifice of many Americans. Many have murdered for their beliefs and that isn't a bad thing.

 

[oldguy]

I get your point and find suicide bombers disgusting, but the "right" side is about perspective at the time. Most people dont think they are the bad guys and everyone has a cause, some worth dieing/killing for.

How many civilians have we drone bombed?

Our Sly friend was talking about WW's against the Germans. Does anyone think we weren't on the 'right' side of those wars?

We have 'drone bombed' civilians while targeting our enemy, who surrounds himself with civilians, who are killed. Their martyrs often target civilians and don't care that their are no military enemies present. There is no 'right' side that does that.

It sucks that their civilians are killed, but people die in wars, especially when the enemy doesn't wear a uniform. The alternative is to leave our enemies in peace while they plan and train for their next mission to kill us.

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

No, I didn't say I supported suicide bombers. I was giving you an example of people who murdered for their beliefs. You, IMO, made an inaccurate generalization that denigrates the bravery and sacrifice of many Americans. Many have murdered for their beliefs and that isn't a bad thing.

No, I didn't say you supported suicide bombers. It seemed that you took issue with me not respecting them. I took that to mean that you do.

We were talking about Further's question,

So do you respect the bravery of an Islamic martyr? Willing to die for their beliefs.

I guess I took that to mean willing to die for the religious beliefs. I asked him

You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's beliefs and willing to murder for them?

I guess I should have asked, You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's religious beliefs.... But since we were talking about martyrs, I thought religious was assumed.

I don't doubt for one second that many GI's killed (murdered, for you) for their belief that the nazis had to be stopped. How many do you think went there to murder in the name of Christianity?

How many dead GI's were lauded as Christian martyrs in the WW's?

Would you quote where I denigrated WW vets in what I said?

Go Blazers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, I didn't say you supported suicide bombers. It seemed that you took issue with me not respecting them. I took that to mean that you do.

We were talking about Further's question,

I guess I took that to mean willing to die for the religious beliefs. I asked him I guess I should have asked, You don't see a distinction between willing to die for one's religious beliefs.... But since we were talking about martyrs, I thought religious was assumed.

I don't doubt for one second that many GI's killed (murdered, for you) for their belief that the nazis had to be stopped. How many do you think went there to murder in the name of Christianity?

How many dead GI's were lauded as Christian martyrs in the WW's?

Would you quote where I denigrated WW vets in what I said?

Go Blazers

My bad, you didn't say I supported suicide bombers, you said I respected them.