Pacers ganna give Paul George give 5 years 90 million....

[magnifier661]

How is third team all nba not a franchise player? Aldridge is our franchise player, and he didn't make any team.

I am also lost a bit how he is 2nd or 3rd banana? he took the most shots on his team, and played the most minutes per game

18 mil per season. Maybe you can compare PG to Dwight Howard? They make around the same money. Who would you rather have? Aldridge made 14 mil for seasons that out produced George.

 

[Mediocre Man]

18 mil per season. Maybe you can compare PG to Dwight Howard? They make around the same money. Who would you rather have? Aldridge made 14 mil for seasons that out produced George.

Indiana 49-32
Portland 33-49
Did LA outproduce Goerge?


George easily over Howard. I think he is extremely overrated though, so that's not fair.

22 years old NBA all 3rd team. Very good offensive and defensive player (NBA all 2nd team)

 

[magnifier661]

Indiana 49-32
Portland 33-49
Did LA outproduce Goerge?


George easily over Howard. I think he is extremely overrated though, so that's not fair.

22 years old NBA all 3rd team. Very good offensive and defensive player (NBA all 2nd team)

Didn't realize that a player was the sole reason for success. Guess we can toss out bench, coaching and other starting caliber players. Sucks to be Hibbert man!

 

[Draco]

So you people who say Batum has a better value contract; would you trade Batum for a resigned Paul George? I do that every day.

 

[magnifier661]

So you people who say Batum has a better value contract; would you trade Batum for a resigned Paul George? I do that every day.

Batum makes 7 million less. The better question is "Would you trade PG for LBJ?" They make as much and play the same position.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Batum makes 7 million less. The better question is "Would you trade PG for LBJ?" They make as much and play the same position.

LBJ is the one player that basically breaks the collective bargaining agreement; he's worth at least 1.5x the current max.

 

[THE HCP]

I'm out and about. Can somebody please put Nic's stats side by side with this superstars from last season....please


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[magnifier661]

LBJ is the one player that basically breaks the collective bargaining agreement; he's worth at least 1.5x the current max.

So you think PG is at the right price? He's making more than Hibbert

 

[BlazerCaravan]

So you think PG is at the right price? He's making more than Hibbert

I didn't follow the Pacers much last season, so I'm not 100% sure, but because they are a small market team that's interested in overachieving, they do have to overpay to keep talent.

 

[magnifier661]

I didn't follow the Pacers much last season, so I'm not 100% sure, but because they are a small market team that's interested in overachieving, they do have to overpay to keep talent.

I guess you are right, but then again, isn't the new bargaining agreement supposed to combat "big brother" teams with a shit ton of money? It's not like PG can walk to one of those teams and get that lion share max contract. This may bite them in the ass when they need more talent to build around.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm out and about. Can somebody please put Nic's stats side by side with this superstars from last season....please


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2012/2013 Player stats

Paul George:
PTS REB AST PIE
17.4 7.6 4.1 13.4%

Nic Batum:
PTS REB AST PIE
14.3 5.6 4.9 10.4%

And for comparison's sake:

Kevin Durant:
PTS REB AST PIE
28.1 7.9 4.6 20.2%

George is better than Nic, based on last year's stats, but the margin is a lot closer than the margin between George and Durant.

 

[Draco]

Batum makes 7 million less. The better question is "Would you trade PG for LBJ?" They make as much and play the same position.

Obviously LBJ on his contract is much more valuable than PG. I believe PG on his contract is much more valuable than Batum on his contract but the difference between those two is not as much as the difference between LBJ and PG.

 

[Mediocre Man]

George is also 2 years younger than both, and is probably better defensively then either

 

[THE HCP]

George is also 2 years younger than both, and is probably better defensively then either

MM, you're better than this. Turn your Nic Hate Filter off and really think about it.

 

[Draco]

2012/2013 Player stats

Paul George:
PTS REB AST PIE
17.4 7.6 4.1 13.4%

Nic Batum:
PTS REB AST PIE
14.3 5.6 4.9 10.4%

And for comparison's sake:

Kevin Durant:
PTS REB AST PIE
28.1 7.9 4.6 20.2%

George is better than Nic, based on last year's stats, but the margin is a lot closer than the margin between George and Durant.

What the hell is PIE?

Nic is a below average defender and Paul George is quite good. PaulG led the NBA in defensive win share. PaulG is entering his fourth NBA season and Nic his sixth so he is projected to improve more than Nic. As others have said PaulG is already an all-star and All-NBA player while Nic has never been close. When the games matter most in the playoffs Nic got shut down by the defense of Steve Nash; George carried an offense against LBJ.

 

[e_blazer]

What the hell is PIE?

Nic is a below average defender and Paul George is quite good. PaulG led the NBA in defensive win share. PaulG is entering his fourth NBA season and Nic his sixth so he is projected to improve more than Nic. As others have said PaulG is already an all-star and All-NBA player while Nic has never been close. When the games matter most in the playoffs Nic got shut down by the defense of Steve Nash; George carried an offense against LBJ.

That was a new one for me as well. It's a stat that the NBA defines as:

The NBA's PIE (Player Impact Estimate) statistic measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. LeBron already leads the league in PIE for the season with a mark of 21.6%. [Kevin Durant is the only other player in the league to top 20% in PIE.] The dramatic increase in LeBron's PIE during this six-game span, coupled with only a slight increase in USG% illustrates how LeBron is impacting the game on such an efficient level.

 

[illmatic99]

Always thought 5 yrs, 80 was the max for a guy coming off a rookie deal. Dug through this a little more and found this: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/9/23/4760622/paul-george-max-contract-derrick-rose-rule

 

[RoyToy]

I remember saying on this forum at the beginning of last year that he was going to be the next breakout star in the NBA.

Look at him now.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Some additional data points:

Pre-injury (Oct - Jan, 44 games), Nic was 16.3 PPG / 6.0 RPG / 4.9 APG

Also interesting is that, in the 25 games where he played 40+ MPG, he averaged 17.6 PPG / 6.9 RPG / 5.4 APG. We were 12-13 in those games, but there's a clot of 4 wins where he played between 39:30 and 40:00. That 48% winning percentage is 8 percentage points higher than our record, and 19% higher.

My POV: give Batum minutes, keep him healthy, and he's as good offensively as Paul George. His defense wasn't great, good, or even average last year, but that might be a symptom of being taller than our center. *shudder* I'm curious to see if everybody's defensive ratings go down with a legit center in the game...

 

[Run BJM]

My POV: give Batum minutes, keep him healthy, and he's as good offensively as Paul George. His defense wasn't great, good, or even average last year, but that might be a symptom of being taller than our center. *shudder* I'm curious to see if everybody's defensive ratings go down with a legit center in the game...

Replace George with Batum- do the Pacers get by the Knicks this season?

I say no. George isn't elite on offense, and hes not an efficient scorer, but hes so clearly in a different tier than Batum. Its indisputable if you watch the games, and look at how many of even you Blazer homers are admitting you'd take George at 18 mils over Batum at 11.

 

[RoyToy]

Well if you want to cherry-pick a sample size of their best stretch of play

Over a 41 game stretch George averaged 19pts/8.4reb/4.3asts/2stls

 

[RoyToy]

Replace George with Batum- do the Pacers get by the Knicks this season?

I say no. George isn't elite on offense, and hes not an efficient scorer, but hes so clearly in a different tier than Batum. Its indisputable if you watch the games, and look at how many of even you Blazer homers are admitting you'd take George at 18 mils over Batum at 11.

I pretty much agree with you 100%.

There are probably some Batum homers that will act like these two players are somewhat close, or that it's worth having Batum over George because of their contracts.

But like you said, when you actually watch them play you can see a clear defense between them. Batum is a poor man's Paul George.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Batum is a poor man's Paul George.

Which makes sense, given Batum makes so much less.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Well if you want to cherry-pick a sample size of their best stretch of play

Over a 41 game stretch George averaged 19pts/8.4reb/4.3asts/2stls

It's all good guys... I just thought I'd put some more numbers in the mix. Sorry if I seemed like I was cherry picking. It seemed reasonable to pick rough pre versus post injury.

 

[Run BJM]

Which makes sense, given Batum makes so much less.

George is a legit core piece on a contending team. You can max him and live with it. Batum would be the 4th or 5th best player on a championship team, yet he's taking up 20% of your cap room. With the new CBA you really don't want guys who aren't a true core piece making double-digit millions per year.

 

[Draco]

Well if you want to cherry-pick a sample size of their best stretch of play

Over a 41 game stretch George averaged 19pts/8.4reb/4.3asts/2stls

Yeah no kidding. How about Batum having had major injuries limiting him nearly every NBA season? I've learned from the Oden fiasco its not good to salivate at a players healthy stats and ignore his injured stats. If he can't stay healthy enough to play at a high level at an age of 24 that makes me nervous going forward. Players with injury histories at a young age begin to have more issues as they age.

 

[Draco]

George is a legit core piece on a contending team. You can max him and live with it. Batum would be the 4th or 5th best player on a championship team, yet he's taking up 20% of your cap room. With the new CBA you really don't want guys who aren't a true core piece making double-digit millions per year.

Yes, increased production becomes exponentially more valuable to a team so playing a lesser player in a linear fashion is poor roster management.

 

[RoyToy]

Yeah no kidding. How about Batum having had major injuries limiting him nearly every NBA season? I've learned from the Oden fiasco its not good to salivate at a players healthy stats and ignore his injured stats. If he can't stay healthy enough to play at a high level at an age of 24 that makes me nervous going forward. Players with injury histories at a young age begin to have more issues as they age.

I go back to last year when a reporter asked Aldridge about Nic's struggles and if the wrist was a big factor or not.

Aldridge's replay? Essentially that everyone on the team is banged up and playing through something.

This whole Batum argument about his wrist has always just been a bad excuse to me. You either perform or you don't. If you're so fragile that you let a bum wrist hamper you half a season, you're just soft. I'd argue this is actually worse than just not performing well. A guy that's not performing well can pick it up. A guy that's just soft will always be soft.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If you're so fragile that you let a bum wrist hamper you half a season, you're just soft. I'd argue this is actually worse than just not performing well. A guy that's not performing well can pick it up. A guy that's just soft will always be soft.

Good one RoyToy. Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Batum = Paul George - minus any kind of assertiveness.