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EL PRESIDENTE said:
You can choose to have it be "time off" if you wanted to. Its all dependent on the person's efficiency and living situation.
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Sure if I didn't give a shit about my wife or infant, I could smoke weed and play video games for two weeks. But terrible humans can do whatever they want. If you're all about stopping terrible people from having opportunities to be terrible at the expense of not helping decent people, then that's your perogative.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Sure if I didn't give a shit about my wife or infant, I could smoke weed and play video games for two weeks. But terrible humans can do whatever they want. If you're all about stopping terrible people from having opportunities to be terrible at the expense of not helping decent people, then that's your perogative.
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To be non-terrible, they should not have kids then if they can't handle their work load without coming into work all fucked up or getting extra time off to handle shit that isn't related to their work.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
To be non-terrible, they should not have kids then if they can't handle their work load without coming into work all fucked up or getting extra time off to handle shit that isn't related to their work.
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Wait I thought being terrible was not actually trying to parent their kids during the paternal leave.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Wait I thought being terrible was not actually trying to parent their kids during the paternal leave.
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If they can parent without having it affect their work or taking free paid time off, then that's fine.
 
Calling it paid is a bit of a misnomer in our case. In Canada the mother can take 17-weeks (unpaid). Depending on the province they may take up to 52-weeks. While on parental/adoptive leave you can go on unemployment (E.I., Employment Insurance) which you have paid into since you started working. I think you can take time off after a miscarriage/stillbirth as well. Your employer is not required to keep paying your salary but they must hold your seat.

The father has the option to split the leave after the first 17-weeks (maternity) but most men never take any of the remainder (parental). Quebec has begun offering 5-weeks of paid leave for fathers to encourage them which has been somewhat effective. I think some men would rather see their wives get all the time off or would rather be working since E.I. does not provide a full/equal salary.

It is not uncommon for women 25-30 to take eight months, come back for six months or more, part of which would be spent pregnant a consecutive time, then leave again. I think my friend once worked cover for parental leave when the person covering for parental leave went on parental leave.

E.I. encompasses unemployment, seasonal work, long term disability, mental health, and other aspects so everyone eventually gets some benefit from it.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
You shouldn't get extra time off that people who don't have kids don't get.
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This would probably be my biggest gripe with the thing.

Overall I see it as a good way to initially try and get settled in with a new infant, etc, etc.. However, I do agree that it is definitely discriminatory-ish towards people who choose not to have kids. Interested to see how this plays out.
 
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blue32 said:
This would probably be my biggest gripe with the thing.

Overall I see it as a good way to initially try and get settled in with a new infant, etc, etc.. However, I do agree that it is definitely discriminatory-ish towards people who choose not to have kids. Interested to see how this plays out.
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Asymmetrical balance. People who don't have kids get more free time by not having kids.
 
If you want the "time off", have kids. Fuck off until you do.
 
Non-breeders are useless, because they do not produce workers to keep the economy going into the next generation. When they retire, they will become a net negative to society. Non-breeders shouldn't be allowed to retire. Breeders should be able to retire when their children can take over their position in the economy. Be glad we breeders only ask for an extra few weeks off.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Non-breeders are useless, because they do not produce workers to keep the economy going into the next generation. When they retire, they will become a net negative to society. Non-breeders shouldn't be allowed to retire. Breeders should be able to retire when their children can take over their position in the economy.
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There are too many people on earth. Extra kids means extra strains on the earth, on schools, on resources etc.

People who do not procreate are a net positive and won't have the extra commitments that make them less productive workers.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
There are too many people on earth. Extra kids means extra strains on the earth, on schools, on resources etc.

People who do not procreate are a net positive and won't have the extra commitments that make them less productive workers.
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They will hasten the collapse of society when the generation they should have created is forced to work to support them in their dotage. Kill non-breeders after age 40. This also helps with your population control angle. Win/win.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
My wife and I are horrible parents, so we have had evenings, weekends and vacations throughout our children's lives. At this point, they're 10 and 13 and have somehow figured out that the world doesn't revolve around them.

I live in guilt every day.
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When they are newborns, they really need round the clock care. They feed every 2-3 hours need to be changed burped all the time and they need a lot of physical contact. Of course, you ease away from that as they get older, but we're talking about leave to care for newborns.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
They will hasten the collapse of society when the generation they should have created is forced to work to support them in their dotage. Kill non-breeders after age 40.
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You may think so, but the opposite is likely true. Most of the new progeny on the earth are increasingly more and more useless. The Pareto Principle in effect, 20% will produce 80% for the future.
 
Look, I love to drink and come into work hungover. Maybe they should give me an extra day off since I'll be relatively useless at work that day.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
You may think so, but the opposite is likely true. Most of the new progeny on the earth are increasingly more and more useless. The Pareto Principle in effect, 20% will produce 80% for the future.
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That principle works no matter how many people are in the principle's sample size. So a larger population gets more done than a smaller once, because 20% of a larger population is more than 20% of a smaller one.

You are more useless than your parents; should you be killed now?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Cancer is not a choice.
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Doesn't matter. You want people to have to choose between caring for their child or getting no income for 12 weeks. How will it benefit society to have kids that were not well cared for as newborns? Just go do a bit of research on how early care affects kids long term. They're going to be running the world when you're an old man...what kind of world do you want to live in?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
That principle works no matter how many people are in the principle's sample size. So a larger population gets more done than a smaller once, because 20% of a larger population is more than 20% of a smaller one.

You are more useless than your parents; should you be killed now?
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A larger population also consumes a lot more and has more problems.
 
Sinobas said:
Doesn't matter. You want people to have to choose between caring for their child or getting no income for 12 weeks. How will it benefit society to have kids that were not well cared for as newborns? Just go do a bit of research on how early care affects kids long term. They're going to be running the world when you're an old man...what kind of world do you want to live in?
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I don't give a shit.

Give people who don't have kids the same amount of time off then. Its total bullshit that because you CHOSE to have kids you get additional paid time off. If they really wanted to raise their kids then go ahead, get no income for 12 weeks then and deal with it.

Or have an abortion if you can't handle it. Again, this is all voluntary to have kids and truth be told, having kids is a selfish act to recreate another copy of yourself. Its not a vehicle for the betterment of society, its so you're not so lonely and you want to have fun in your life and you can show them off.

Should not be rewarded with extra paid time off.
 
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