People need to calm down about Vonleh

[Natebishop3]

Patience is for players who might develop into something special. No evidence Vonleh will be special.

No evidence? So you completely disregard his play in the summer league?

 

[oldmangrouch]

No evidence? So you completely disregard his play in the summer league?

Honestly? The only value I see in summer league is physical conditioning. The no defense/no teamwork level of play tells us almost nothing about a player's relative skills in an actual 5-on-5 game.

 

[Blazinaway]

I'd like to see Cliff Alexander get some minutes as well, he is healthy as far as we know?

 

[riverman]

It's hard for hard core cynics to find that guy to hate this season...this is a likeable roster

 

[noknobs]

My opinion is that summer league CAN be a decent predictor of talent. Obviously it's not the end all, be all, but if someone dominates in SL, it means they can produce against professional-level talent.

Exactly, just like Qyntel Woods.

But I agree on Vonleh, as I've said as much already. I've seen the talent in spots, just like I saw the talent in CJ his rookie year and early 2nd year, even as the majority were trashing him. How good he'll turn out is up to him, but the potential is definitely there and it's way too early to call him a mistake.

 

[Strenuus]

Exactly, just like Qyntel Woods.

But I agree on Vonleh, as I've said as much already. I've seen the talent in spots, just like I saw the talent in CJ his rookie year and early 2nd year, even as the majority were trashing him. How good he'll turn out is up to him, but the potential is definitely there and it's way too early to call him a mistake.

BUT HE NEEDS TO BE GOOD RIGHT NOW! HE SUCKS HE SUCKS HE SUCKS! :MARIS61:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Imma just put this here:

 

[handiman]

That was @handiman.

Damn right, no one is safe!

Perspective, though: I was as big in Dame's camp as anyone prior to the draft. My absolutely-no-uncertainty top three was:

1) The Brow
2) Lillard
3) Oden Jr, aka Drummond

Nothing has happened since then to make me change my opinion.

In no way am I doubting Lillard's merits as a player or leader. I just think we've gotten the best out of him, relative to the makeup of the rest of the team, and there's nothing wrong with assessing every element going forward. Sell high.

 

[chzbrgr]

That was @handiman.

No one likes a snitch... except maybe harry potter

 

[THE HCP]

I love how people make declarations about a player before they even play 82 games in their career.

Or a poster before 10,000 posts!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I dont miss Batum at all, as far as i'm concerned: Crabbe>Aminu>Batum.

As for Von, i just keep the memory of how awful Jermaine Oneal looked in Portland and i tell myself to be patient.

I believe Olshey is trying to build a package deal for a star,won't be surprised to see Vonleh and Mayers traded for for a legit starter.

Except he had a game as a rookie where he dropped like 20 points, had 6-7 boards, and a couple blocks against Shawn Kemp and the Sonics up in Seattle. I knew then, he had some serious potential.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I agree w/ everything u said ^ but I'm more about him eventually becoming a solid starting pf (a solid starter isn't a crazy high mark to hit). I also think there's at least a 30-40% chance (aka the minimum) he turns into a really solid starting pf; however the chances of him becoming one is more like 96% For him to become quite awesome (aka > just a solid starter & much more studly), I think the chances here r more like 60% IMO.

Why'd you have to go and overdo it?

 

[Tunchi]

My question is when are we going to finally have that game where Vonleh just has one hellofa night that makes us jump for joy? All I ask is for one

Look at Julius Randall hes almost the same age as Vonleh, missed the whole season last yr Vonleh even played way more than he did. Yet this guy is almost a double double machine this yr

 

[Strenuus]

My question is when are we going to finally have that game where Vonleh just has one hellofa night that makes us jump for joy? All I ask is for one

Look at Julius Randall hes almost the same age as Vonleh, missed the whole season last yr Vonleh even played way more than he did. Yet this guy is almost a double double machine this yr

Because not all 20 year olds are made the same?

We're not even 25 games into a season. lol.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Except he had a game as a rookie where he dropped like 20 points, had 6-7 boards, and a couple blocks against Shawn Kemp and the Sonics up in Seattle. I knew then, he had some serious potential.

Meh, you can't say a player was great just because of 1 or 2 games.

 

[chzbrgr]

My question is when are we going to finally have that game where Vonleh just has one hellofa night that makes us jump for joy? All I ask is for one

Look at Julius Randall hes almost the same age as Vonleh, missed the whole season last yr Vonleh even played way more than he did. Yet this guy is almost a double double machine this yr

I love Ranall's game reminds me of young Barkley that dude is gunna be something runs the floor well, NBA handles, low center of gravity, rebounding maniac. I hear you tho, I want to see a couple games where he goes for 15-18 with 9-12 rebs and were like THIS IS WHAT WEVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!

......but it hasnt happened yet. What worries me is there hasnt even been a game close. He's gotta get lucky some time tho right?

 

[dviss1]

No one likes a snitch... except maybe harry potter

I don't care. I'm teaching my son by example not to live by the no snitch policy. See something say something.

 

[Blazers Roy]

For me Vonleh is like David West in his rookie year or even in his college years.
A 6'9 PF who can rebound,tough enough,has a nice stroke, but not enough confidence in his moves yet.
I'd say the only big difference is the competitive edge of West.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Meh, you can't say a player was great just because of 1 or 2 games.

I never said he was "great". But as the youngest player in the league, he looked fantastic against Shawn Kemp, who was a force in the league. You could see that O'Neal was legit with that game.

 

[0-Our!]

Why'd you have to go and overdo it?

Because I believe in him & see the same flashes/little things in guys I've been right about before in him; eventually (~2 years from now) what I said isn't overdoing it

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Our goal for this year is to develop players and get a high lottery pick. Giving Noah 20 minutes a game should help on both of those goals.

 

[jlprk]

Charlotte is 2nd in the East (.619) after Cleveland (.667). Last season they were .286 at this point (21 games), .402 after 82. The only real changes were adding Batum and subtracting Lance Stephenson.

 

[tester551]

Charlotte is 2nd in the East (.619) after Cleveland (.667). Last season they were .286 at this point (21 games), .402 after 82. The only real changes were adding Batum and subtracting Lance Stephenson.

The year before adding Lance, they were 43-39 (0.524). Lance caused them a lot of head ache.

 

[HolyBackboard]

It's hard to have a break-through game when Stotts is only playing him for two eight-minute stretches per game (the start of the 1st and 3rd quarters).

 

[B-Roy]

For me Vonleh is like David West in his rookie year or even in his college years.
A 6'9 PF who can rebound,tough enough,has a nice stroke, but not enough confidence in his moves yet.
I'd say the only big difference is the competitive edge of West.

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D. West may be a good player to model his game around. I always thought Bosh was his ceiling, but West is a more obtainable, if not still unrealistic peak.

 

[Strenuus]

Or a poster before 10,000 posts!

So, you count yourself as a person who declares what a poster is before 10,000 posts.... I mean, just making sure I get this right.

 

[noknobs]

Charlotte is 2nd in the East (.619) after Cleveland (.667). Last season they were .286 at this point (21 games), .402 after 82. The only real changes were adding Batum and subtracting Lance Stephenson.

They signed Jeremy Lin, Jeremy Lamb and Spencer Hawes, and drafted Frank Kaminsky who's starting to produce...

 

[Blazers Roy]

I can't believe people are already re-hyping Batum, he sucked here for a long time, we know what's his story yet his myth lives on.

Keep getting them checks Nicola!