Plausible CJ trades that don't involve the Sixers?

[TBpup]

Trading CJ is addition by subtraction. At this point he’s more detrimental to the team than anything he provides. Whatever you can get for him is an added bonus.

On the latest Jacked Ramseys podcast someone asks what the numbers are for a Dame/Norm/Nas/RoCo/Nurk lineup.

There were small sample sizes, but the production that came up with a line up of Dame/Norm/?/?/Nurk was RIDICULOUSLY effective on both offense and defense. Of course they were small sample sizes, but they were all 90th+ percentile up to 100th percentile in multiple categories.

Would seem to invite further investigation.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Any takers? I know some of you would rather get Grant, but according to Pistons fans he's a black hole and if we're trading CJ we want ball-movers.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

You would trade KAT to another team if you currently had him? In order to get CJ and Nurkic?

Along with a #1 - would consider as wolves record isn’t gonna be playoff bound

 

[Minstrel]

Along with a #1 - would consider as wolves record isn’t gonna be playoff bound

Nah, I don't think you'd trade away KAT if all you were getting was CJ and Nurkic.

But it's no crime to want Towns on the Blazers. So you just keep mocking up trades to get him here!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

CJ’s trade value is at an all-time low.

Playing poker to see who blinks first blew up in Neil’s face

 

[Labinot41]

Fuck CJ McCollum. The day i don't have to watch his ego dribble dribble dribble show will be all time great. So fucking sick of him. He's unwatchable

 

[Labinot41]

No player will admit it, but probably everyone besides Dame hates to play with MeJ. Everyone who plays in a team sport would hate to play alongside him

 

[boredinsalem]

I think he should just be sent to Cleveland for Love and a first rounder. We can try to package the first rounder with Roco (and maybe one of ours) for something decent.

 

[Cugel]

Here's what comes available Dec. 15. Anything interest you all?

Atlanta Hawks

• Gorgui Dieng
• Solomon Hill ^
• Lou Williams ^

Boston Celtics

• Enes Kanter
• Dennis Schröder

Brooklyn Nets

• LaMarcus Aldridge
• DeAndre’ Bembry *
• Blake Griffin ^
• James Johnson
• Patty Mills
• Paul Millsap

Charlotte Hornets

• Kelly Oubre
• Ish Smith

Chicago Bulls

• Lonzo Ball
• Tony Bradley
• Alex Caruso
• DeMar DeRozan
• Javonte Green
• Alize Johnson

Cleveland Cavaliers

• Lauri Markkanen
• Kevin Pangos

Dallas Mavericks

• Reggie Bullock
• Sterling Brown
• Tim Hardaway Jr.
• Boban Marjanovic
• Frank Ntilikina

Denver Nuggets

• Will Barton
• JaMychal Green ^
• Jeff Green
• Austin Rivers ^

Detroit Pistons

• Frank Jackson ^
• Cory Joseph ^
• Saben Lee
• Trey Lyles
• Rodney McGruder ^
• Kelly Olynyk

Golden State Warriors

• Nemanja Bjelica
• Andre Iguodala
• Otto Porter

Houston Rockets

• Daniel Theis

Indiana Pacers

• Torrey Craig

Los Angeles Clippers

• Nicolas Batum ^
• Kawhi Leonard
• Justise Winslow

Los Angeles Lakers

• Carmelo Anthony
• Trevor Ariza
• Kent Bazemore
• Wayne Ellington
• Dwight Howard
• DeAndre Jordan
• Malik Monk
• Kendrick Nunn
• Rajon Rondo

Memphis Grizzlies

• None

Miami Heat

• Dewayne Dedmon ^
• Udonis Haslem ^
• Kyle Lowry
• Markieff Morris
• Victor Oladipo ^
• Max Strus
• P.J. Tucker
• Gabe Vincent
• Omer Yurtseven

Milwaukee Bucks

• Thanasis Antetokounmpo ^
• George Hill
• Rodney Hood
• Semi Ojeleye
• Bobby Portis ^

Minnesota Timberwolves

• None

New Orleans Pelicans

• Devonte’ Graham
• Willy Hernangomez
• Didi Louzada
• Garrett Temple

New York Knicks

• Alec Burks
• Evan Fournier
• Taj Gibson
• Nerlens Noel
• Kemba Walker

Oklahoma City Thunder

• Mike Muscala ^

Orlando Magic

• Robin Lopez
• E’Twaun Moore
• Moritz Wagner

Philadelphia 76ers

• Andre Drummond
• Danny Green
• Georges Niang

Phoenix Suns

• Frank Kaminsky ^
• JaVale McGee
• Abdel Nader ^
• Chris Paul
• Elfrid Payton

Portland Trail Blazers

• Ben McLemore
• Tony Snell
• Cody Zeller

Sacramento Kings

• Maurice Harkless
• Alex Len

San Antonio Spurs

• Keita Bates-Diop
• Zach Collins
• Bryn Forbes
• Jock Landale
• Doug McDermott

Toronto Raptors

• Khem Birch
• Isaac Bonga
• Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk

Utah Jazz

• Mike Conley
• Rudy Gay
• Hassan Whiteside

Washington Wizards

• Spencer Dinwiddie
• Raul Neto ^

 

[AldoTrapani]

Fuck CJ McCollum. The day i don't have to watch his ego dribble dribble dribble show will be all time great. So fucking sick of him. He's unwatchable

He reminds me of Blazers Mo Williams

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think he should just be sent to Cleveland for Love and a first rounder. We can try to package the first rounder with Roco (and maybe one of ours) for something decent.

Wow, that's bleak.

 

[Shaboid]

Fuck CJ McCollum. The day i don't have to watch his ego dribble dribble dribble show will be all time great. So fucking sick of him. He's unwatchable

Does someone have you in shackles forcing you to watch CJ dribble drives?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Can we package cj and future picks to get the number two pick aNd go after Banchero from Duke?

call this season a wash, go for the lottery

Dame/smith jr.
Powell/Ant
Little/ roco
Banchero/Nance jr
Nurk/Zeller/ Nance jr

likely require a three team deal to find a team to absorb cj’s contract.

Plus a core of ant/little and Banchero for the future would be a good starting base.


Not bad if Banchero turns out to be or better than expected.


Here is more on Paulo Banchero:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432573/paolo-banchero

 

[GDiama]

Can we package cj and future picks to get the number two pick aNd go after Banchero from Duke?

call this season a wash, go for the lottery

Dame/smith jr.
Powell/Ant
Little/ roco
Banchero/Nance jr
Nurk/Zeller/ Nance jr

likely require a three team deal to find a team to absorb cj’s contract.

Plus a core of ant/little and Banchero for the future would be a good starting base.


Not bad if Banchero turns out to be or better than expected.


Here is more on Paulo Banchero:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432573/paolo-banchero

nobody giving a high lottery pick for CJ i believe. Those teams are not win now mode. Not that CJ would make them win now of course, but he has no value for them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

nobody giving a high lottery pick for CJ i believe. Those teams are not win now mode. Not that CJ would make them win now of course, but he has no value for them.

i would assume we would be trading cj, our lottery pick and whatever futures to get that pick.
Thats why i said it would likely need to be a three team deal.

 

[GDiama]

Any takers? I know some of you would rather get Grant, but according to Pistons fans he's a black hole and if we're trading CJ we want ball-movers.

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This is a good one. Hornets wouldn't want CJ as i believe Rozier is better or at least similar kind of value player. But maybe they would prefer to save some money and get a more defensive oriented guy by moving Hayward for Grant.
For Pistons to do that i guess they would need a couple 2nd rounders or some young talent.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This is a good one. Hornets wouldn't want CJ as i believe Rozier is better or at least similar kind of value player. But maybe they would prefer to save some money and get a more defensive oriented guy by moving Hayward for Grant.
For Pistons to do that i guess they would need a couple 2nd rounders or some young talent.

That you should say that shows how far CJ has fallen in our estimation. I think casual fans would see the Pistons getting the "star" in the trade. Admittedly it's kind of a stretch to see why the Pistons would do it, as CJ's a full decade older than the Pistons' new foundational player, but maybe they could think of it as trading up, like the kid who started with a paperclip and ended with a house.

 

[GDiama]

That you should say that shows how far CJ has fallen in our estimation. I think casual fans would see the Pistons getting the "star" in the trade. Admittedly it's kind of a stretch to see why the Pistons would do it, as CJ's a full decade older than the Pistons' new foundational player, but maybe they could think of it as trading up, like the kid who started with a paperclip and ended with a house.

I think in our minds CJ had far higher value than his actual value all those years. I m pretty sure nobody (non blazers fans) ever considered him as a near all star player and in here i ve read a lot about how he is close to getting there. Obviously not the last two seasons, but before that. He has a very particular skillset that not many teams needs for the value of 30M per year.

 

[LayneStaley]

The Lakers could use him lol

 

[wizenheimer]

I think in our minds CJ had far higher value than his actual value all those years. I m pretty sure nobody (non blazers fans) ever considered him as a near all star player and in here i ve read a lot about how he is close to getting there. Obviously not the last two seasons, but before that. He has a very particular skillset that not many teams needs for the value of 30M per year.

CJ has had way outsized opportunity compared to his talent. I'm not sure there has been a less talented player who has anywhere near the FGA that CJ has had over the last several years

for example, last season, CJ averaged more FGA's/game than Julius Randle, Lebron, Brandon Ingram, Giannis, Jokic, Trae Young, Paul George, Embiid, KAT, Kawhi, Durant, Harden, Khris Middleton, Ja Morant, Sabonis and Jimmy Butler. For chrissakes, he averaged nearly 5 more shots/game than Butler. Dame only averaged 1 more shot than CJ. That's all kind of ridiculous

this season, CJ is averaging 7 more shots a game than Powell. But, CJ is averaging 1.10 points/shot while Powell is averaging 1.45. If those situation were reversed, Portland would be averaging 2.38 more points a game. Right now, Portland's net differential is only 0.6 points.

 

[Hoopguru]

CJ has had way outsized opportunity compared to his talent. I'm not sure there has been a less talented player who has anywhere near the FGA that CJ has had over the last several years

for example, last season, CJ averaged more FGA's/game than Julius Randle, Lebron, Brandon Ingram, Giannis, Jokic, Trae Young, Paul George, Embiid, KAT, Kawhi, Durant, Harden, Khris Middleton, Ja Morant, Sabonis and Jimmy Butler. For chrissakes, he averaged nearly 5 more shots/game than Butler. Dame only averaged 1 more shot than CJ. That's all kind of ridiculous

this season, CJ is averaging 7 more shots a game than Powell. But, CJ is averaging 1.10 points/shot while Powell is averaging 1.45. If those situation were reversed, Portland would be averaging 2.38 more points a game. Right now, Portland's net differential is only 0.6 points.

I would think our leader and pg would have to something to say about that? Truth is, it's been the Dame/CJ hype for along time. Even Dame has said on many occasions they communicate and know when one or the other needs to take over. I love Dame but he's also the leader of this team and should help get the ball spread around. Thats the job of any pg regardless if pro or amateur.

 

[wizenheimer]

I would think our leader and pg would have to something to say about that? Truth is, it's been the Dame/CJ hype for along time. Even Dame has said on many occasions they communicate and know when one or the other needs to take over. I love Dame but he's also the leader of this team and should help get the ball spread around. Thats the job of any pg regardless if pro or amateur.

Is Dame supposed to punch out CJ when CJ goes MeJ?

 

[Hoopguru]

Is Dame supposed to punch out CJ when CJ goes MeJ?

He should. I think the only way to solve it now is by trade. I also think if that doesn't happen Norm & Nurk will bring up spreading the ball around.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think y'all are being a smidge unfair to CJ. CJ can create his own shot as well as any Blazer. He's a one-on-one player. He has an assortment of moves to rival anyone - his hindrance his his average size and athleticism, not his offensive game. He has historically been a very efficient scorer... hasn't he? This year, less so, but...

Everybody thinks we can just slot in Ant or Norm and get CJ's scoring, but CJ can get a bucket in cases where others can't.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think y'all are being a smidge unfair to CJ. CJ can create his own shot as well as any Blazer. He's a one-on-one player. He has an assortment of moves to rival anyone - his hindrance his his average size and athleticism, not his offensive game. He has historically been a very efficient scorer... hasn't he? This year, less so, but...

Everybody thinks we can just slot in Ant or Norm and get CJ's scoring, but CJ can get a bucket in cases where others can't.

the NBA average TS% has been running in the 55-58% range the last few seasons. CJ's career mark is .552. He was better than that last season and in 2016-17, but worse than the average in 5 of his 7 seasons as a starter, including this season

so no, he's not "very" efficient at all. He's average efficient, at best. In his 7 seasons, he's ranked 7th, 4th, 8th, 10th (Aminu was better), 10th, 5th, & 9th on the Blazers in TS%. That's an average ranking of 7.6th. And that's for a guy who shoots almost as much as Dame. Making it worse is that CJ is usually elite in spot-up shots. Last season he was in the 98th percentile and spot-up was 15% of his offense. And last season he shot 70% on catch-&-shoot opportunities, and that was 18% of his offense...

so if you delete those two play types, his TS% would be well below average on his supposed strength...getting buckets on his own. He's always been significantly overrated just because he can create his own shots. It doesn't matter how clever a player is at creating shots if he has a mediocre conversion rate, and that's CJ. A lot of players can create their own shots. Dame has always had a much lower assisted FG rate than CJ has, and his career TS% of .583 compared to CJ's .552. Making that even more dramatic is that we know for the entirety of his career as a starting SG CJ has been drafting off of the defensive attention Dame gets. CJ always draws the weaker perimeter defenders because of Dame, yet he can't do any better than average in terms of efficiency

so again, no...Portland isn't getting some good scoring efficiency from their starting SG. What they are getting is volume shooting and usage with a large helping of ball-hog which makes CJ's raw scoring numbers look better than they really are. And that's attached to poor defense on the other end

 

[Rastapopoulos]

the NBA average TS% has been running in the 55-58% range the last few seasons. CJ's career mark is .552. He was better than that last season and in 2016-17, but worse than the average in 5 of his 7 seasons as a starter, including this season

so no, he's not "very" efficient at all. He's average efficient, at best. In his 7 seasons, he's ranked 7th, 4th, 8th, 10th (Aminu was better), 10th, 5th, & 9th on the Blazers in TS%. That's an average ranking of 7.6th. And that's for a guy who shoots almost as much as Dame. Making it worse is that CJ is usually elite in spot-up shots. Last season he was in the 98th percentile and spot-up was 15% of his offense. And last season he shot 70% on catch-&-shoot opportunities, and that was 18% of his offense...

so if you delete those two play types, his TS% would be well below average on his supposed strength...getting buckets on his own. He's always been significantly overrated just because he can create his own shots. It doesn't matter how clever a player is at creating shots if he has a mediocre conversion rate, and that's CJ. A lot of players can create their own shots. Dame has always had a much lower assisted FG rate than CJ has, and his career TS% of .583 compared to CJ's .552. Making that even more dramatic is that we know for the entirety of his career as a starting SG CJ has been drafting off of the defensive attention Dame gets. CJ always draws the weaker perimeter defenders because of Dame, yet he can't do any better than average in terms of efficiency

so again, no...Portland isn't getting some good scoring efficiency from their starting SG. What they are getting is volume shooting and usage with a large helping of ball-hog which makes CJ's raw scoring numbers look better than they really are. And that's attached to poor defense on the other end

Wow. This makes me realize that Stotts was actually a coaching genius, given how he coaxed a top 3 offense out of one good player and one inefficient volume shooter. He really should go in the coaching hall of fame.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Is Dame supposed to punch out CJ when CJ goes MeJ?

Only if every other Blazer gets to punch out Dame when he goes olé on defense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I m pretty sure nobody (non blazers fans) ever considered him as a near all star player

https://thegruelingtruth.com/basketball/15-best-active-nba-players-to-never-make-an-all-star-game/

 

[wizenheimer]

https://thegruelingtruth.com/basketball/15-best-active-nba-players-to-never-make-an-all-star-game/

LOL..who the fuck is Samuel Teets?...in 2018 no less. By the way, 11 of those 15 players have now made an all-star game. CJ ain't one of them

 

[wizenheimer]

Wow. This makes me realize that Stotts was actually a coaching genius, given how he coaxed a top 3 offense out of one good player and one inefficient volume shooter. He really should go in the coaching hall of fame.

it helped that CJ missed half the year