Plausible destinations for our vets?

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blazerkor said:
We are in the middle of a rebuild. Why on earth would we make a trade for a 35 year old superstar making almost 49M this season and 52M next season. We are not a Jimmy Buttler away from contention.
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EVERYONE'S a Jimmy Butler away from contention if he decides to go all out. He has the most sheer force of will since Jordan.
 
How good is a team with

Deni
Sharpe
Butler
Camara
Ayton

With off the bench:
Scoot
Clingan
Thybulle
RWIII
 
Phatguysrule said:
Good enough to make the playoffs until Butler is too old and then be a play-in to 2nd round team until tearing it down again.

Almost certainly not good enough to ever compete for a title.
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Yeah, it would be a completely pointless acquisition at this point in our process.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
EVERYONE'S a Jimmy Butler away from contention if he decides to go all out. He has the most sheer force of will since Jordan.
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This is preposterous because Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals while Jimmy is 0-2 with the Heat and I would argue that Jimmy had a better supporting cast.
 
blazerkor said:
This is preposterous because Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals while Jimmy is 0-2 with the Heat and I would argue that Jimmy had a better supporting cast.
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I'm not agreeing that Butler had a better supporting cast. Pippen-Grant-Rodman is pretty damn unique

however, talking about Butler have the best force of will since Jordan ignores Kobe-Shaq-Duncan-Lebron-Curry
 
What if we could get Butler to promise to opt out this summer? We could trade Grant and Thybulle to the Heat. We would be taking in $8 million more than we sent out but would clear a lot of long term salary.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
What if we could get Butler to promise to opt out this summer? We could trade Grant and Thybulle to the Heat. We would be taking in $8 million more than we sent out but would clear a lot of long term salary.
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If we can get a FRP and a prospect I'd be for it.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not agreeing that Butler had a better supporting cast. Pippen-Grant-Rodman is pretty damn unique

however, talking about Butler have the best force of will since Jordan ignores Kobe-Shaq-Duncan-Lebron-Curry
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How is “force of will” measured quantitatively?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
What if we could get Butler to promise to opt out this summer? We could trade Grant and Thybulle to the Heat. We would be taking in $8 million more than we sent out but would clear a lot of long term salary.
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Obviously Butler isn't opting out but let's just say he did for the sake of your still terribly flawed idea. So we go into the luxury tax in order to have a ton of cap space this off season to do what exactly? You think we're going to be able to for the first time in forever sign a high profile free agent???

We do not need cap space, we do not need win now vets but what we need are prospects, draft capital and/or already established really good players under 25. Your idea even if it would happen in some alternative universe doesn't get us any of those things we need
 
blazerkor said:
Obviously Butler isn't opting out but let's just say he did for the sake of your still terribly flawed idea. So we go into the luxury tax in order to have a ton of cap space this off season to do what exactly? You think we're going to be able to for the first time in forever sign a high profile free agent???

We do not need cap space, we do not need win now vets but what we need are prospects, draft capital and/or already established really good players under 25. Your idea even if it would happen in some alternative universe doesn't get us any of those things we need
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With cap space, we take on other people's bad deals to gain picks and prospects that we want. Like taking on Ayton to get Camara. A lot easier to do with pure cap space than it is with expiring contracts.
Don't think anyone is under the thought that we'd be signing some premier free agent.
 
The Lakers really need a guard now. Scoot for Knecht+filler straight up. We need to get some value for Scoot before it's too late.

The Blazers really need shooting.
 
beast blazer said:
The Lakers really need a guard now. Scoot for Knecht+filler straight up. We need to get some value for Scoot before it's too late.

The Blazers really need shooting.
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I'd pull the trigger. Don't see why Lakers would unless they decide to break up the team and trade LBJ/Davis
 
Pinwheel1 said:
This is a few days old but I missed it. Cleveland is rumored to be inquiring about Grant?

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...-in-potential-jerami-grant-trade-01jgpvb6et3d
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Why would they rock the boat? Everyone is contributing. I guess Max Strus would have to be the main player we'd get in return... and why would we want that?
Sacramento is more plausible, but they probably need to work out who works best for Doug Christie. Looks like Trey Lyles is playing well, and he's usually part of any proposed trades.
 
beast blazer said:
The Lakers really need a guard now. Scoot for Knecht+filler straight up. We need to get some value for Scoot before it's too late.

The Blazers really need shooting.
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Last two weeks scoot averages:
46% FG
13 pts
3.6 rebounds
6.3 assists
2.2 steals

playing 30 min in 2 of those games

Even without that, that would be ridiculous to do at this moment.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Why would they rock the boat? Everyone is contributing. I guess Max Strus would have to be the main player we'd get in return... and why would we want that?
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Yeah, I agree. Maybe Cleveland wants him for depth purposes.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
This is a few days old but I missed it. Cleveland is rumored to be inquiring about Grant?

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...-in-potential-jerami-grant-trade-01jgpvb6et3d
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I'm inclined to call bullshit if for no other reason than the author called Grant "coveted" twice. Maybe he has a different definition of coveted than I do

the problem with a Cleveland trade:

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about the only appealing trade would be LeVert/Strus + Niang. LeVert is playing extremely well for the Cavs. Going from LeVert-->Grant is a major downgrade for the Cavs, this season at least; very skeptical the Cavs would do that (and I'm just as skeptical about Okoro being part of it). I'm not going to bother to see if Strus + Niang works in the CBA; looks like it will. It sure doesn't meet the young prospect requirement.

that leaves the 1st round pick(s) requirement, and unless I'm reading things wrong (I'm probably missing something), the Cavs don't have a 1st to trade till 2031
 

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wizenheimer said:
about the only appealing trade would be LeVert/Strus + Niang. LeVert is playing extremely well for the Cavs. Going from LeVert-->Grant is a major downgrade for the Cavs, this season at least; very skeptical the Cavs would do that (and I'm just as skeptical about Okoro being part of it). I'm not going to bother to see if Strus + Niang works in the CBA; looks like it will. It sure doesn't meet the young prospect requirements.[\QUOTE]
Two things I'm afraid of at this trade deadline:
-No moves involving Ant, Grant or Ayton. Not all of them, at least one.
-Making a trade just to make a trade. If Jerami only gets Niang and LeVert, I don't see any point. We'd all be clamoring to dump those two very soon.
It has to involve a young upstart or a FRP. For fear of sounding redundant, what would people rather see? No moves or boring lateral moves.
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