Plausible destinations for our vets?

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Rastapopoulos said:
I think our most promising current trade partner has got to be SACRAMENTO given that they managed both to can their coach AND piss off their star (because he's getting blamed for the firing) so they're probably pretty desperate to WIN NOW.
So...
Getting Carter might be a stretch, but he is injured and they do want to WIN NOW...
Actually, given their size, they could probably actually use Reath:
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I think they would want to keep him if they lose Fox in another year.
 
Freshtown said:
I’ll take Carter in lieu of a first

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Wow, if that's good enough to get Cam Johnson then I'm kidding myself that the Kings would offer it for Jerami...
(Even though, for some purposes, Jerami is probably a better player than Johnson, Johnson is a WAY better rebounder and I'm sure has way more value around the league.) But I'm not convinced it IS good enough to get Cam Johnson - apparently OKC are also interested in him and they can beat any offer with their obscene warchest of picks.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, I was just responding to a post that said because it looks like Ivey is out for the season that maybe they would want Ant... I don't really know what having Cade would have to do with not wanting Ant because I think they're very different and complementary players but I get what you're saying about Ivey, in the long run. Ant and Ivey are pretty redundant.
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Oh yeah, I missed the Ivey injured
part. But they are not contending this year so they will likely go hard tanking.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Wow, if that's good enough to get Cam Johnson then I'm kidding myself that the Kings would offer it for Jerami...
(Even though, for some purposes, Jerami is probably a better player than Johnson, Johnson is a WAY better rebounder and I'm sure has way more value around the league..
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Yet they both have identical rebounding numbers for their career at 3.9
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do they have their own pick this year?
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Their draft pick is tied up this year, next and the year after. Protected 1-13 this upcoming draft, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027. I'm pretty sure that means the earliest pick they could trade will be 2029.
 
inconceivable said:
Oh yeah, I missed the Ivey injured
part. But they are not contending this year so they will likely go hard tanking.
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15 wuns so far, Toibas Harris on the team, Cade starting to come into his own. I think Trajon Langdon said something in a presser about the goal this year being to get some post season experience... so I'm not sure about the hard tank. What they do at the trade deadline will definitely be telling about which direction they're trying to go in.
 
blazerkor said:
15 wuns so far, Toibas Harris on the team, Cade starting to come into his own. I think Trajon Langdon said something in a presser about the goal this year being to get some post season experience... so I'm not sure about the hard tank. What they do at the trade deadline will definitely be telling about which direction they're trying to go in.
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Yeah, only 3 games out of a top-6 slot. Could definitely see them pushing for wins rather than losses.
 
andalusian said:
But
  • Karl Malone.
  • Charles Barkley.
  • Shawn Kemp.
  • Dennis Rodman.
  • Derrick Coleman.
  • Clifford Robinson.
  • Chris Webber.
  • Larry Johnson.
are all retired...
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I miss the power forward position. Add to that list:

Rasheed Wallace
Brian Grant
Kevin Garnett
Antonio McDyess
Amar’e Stoudamire
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Elton Brand
Carlos Boozer
 
Foxx said:
I can see it honestly. If anyone is desperate it’s Sac. Either that version or I want Keegan
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Fat chance on that, Ausar from Detroit, Black from Orlando, Walker from Indy, Smith from Houston, or any of the other proposals that have been bandied about that would return us a recent lottery pick.
 
wizenheimer said:
I do not believe the value of Blazer vets will go up because of good performance, That's a pipe-dream. It might go down because of bad performance though, and this season is probably the example of that

The only way the Blazers might get more for those vets than the current market is when they are on expiring contracts, although I think that value is likely overrated. Another way they might get more is if a contending team has an injury and needs to plug a hole. But there will always be cheaper alternatives in undersized SG's who are poor defenders, like Simons. This might work for Grant but the possibility seems remote

I think Ayton has negative value with the flaws he has and his salary. That's not going to change, IMO

Timelord? I am skeptical any team will move a 1st for him, but I suppose it's remotely possible. But he missed 76 games last season and has already missed 21 of 32 games this season. The clock is already ticking loudly on his next injury

matching Thybulle's offer sheet was one of Cronin's dumber moves
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I can understand having one or two of these vets.

But all FIVE? As you detail none of them make sense on this roster and that's been the case since at least the day Dame was traded if not many months earlier.

Just boggles my mind how many posters here have supported these vets being on the roster as well as many of Cronins bad decisions. It was predicting stupid moves to acquire them at the time and were just seeing the predictable result playing out this season.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I miss the power forward position. Add to that list:

Rasheed Wallace
Brian Grant
Kevin Garnett
Antonio McDyess
Amar’e Stoudamire
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Elton Brand
Carlos Boozer
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Garnett and Sheed would be better in today's game and great in any era. I'm not sure the others would be starters in the NBA today.

Makes me wonder what players are on the end of the bench today barely playing that would've been all-stars in the 90s
 
Plausible? Maybe not. Anyways...

Denver "downgrades" MPJ to Grant, but in doing so, get someone much more adept at getting their own shots when Jokic is out. Also a much better defender. They also add a great backup C who could likely play some alongside Jokic, and a rotation level wing who could provide plus D, something Strawther doesn't yet do for them.
Detroit gets a big upgrade from Harris to MPJ, adds a great shooter alongside Cade. They give up a recent 2nd round prospect for it.
We shave 2 years off of Grant's deal with Tobias. Take on 2 younger guys to take a look at in Strawther and Klintman, and add a pick.

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Garnett and Sheed would be better in today's game and great in any era. I'm not sure the others would be starters in the NBA today.

Makes me wonder what players are on the end of the bench today barely playing that would've been all-stars in the 90s
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I think Jabari Walker would have been better for sure
 
We should trade for Jimmy Butler!

Hear me out: Golden State, Phoenix, Houston have all said they don't want him. But Miami basically have to trade him now. We offer some package of Ant/Jerami/Ayton (hey, if Spoelstra can get Hassan Whiteside looking like an all-star, imagine what he could do with Ayton?) right now, with the promise that, if he plays his ass off, we'll try our damnedest to move him by the trade deadline. Worst case scenario we get an immediate intensity boost by having him in the locker room.

Why do this? Because the Heat are more likely to see value in our players than just about any other team simply because they believe that "heat culture" can transform any players, and our players definitely have more innate talent than the castoffs the Heat normally have to work on, and then if we have Butler there are probably more teams that will come around to wanting him than there would be interested in our guys. (Imagine if OKC got interested, with all their picks.)

(Of course, the flaw in my reasoning is that the Heat could just hold out and get the deal that we hope to get, but they run the risk of being stuck with Butler past the deadline, and given how stubborn both he and Pat Riley are, that's not a good recipe.)


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Rastapopoulos said:
We should trade for Jimmy Butler!

Hear me out: Golden State, Phoenix, Houston have all said they don't want him. But Miami basically have to trade him now. We offer some package of Ant/Jerami/Ayton (hey, if Spoelstra can get Hassan Whiteside looking like an all-star, imagine what he could do with Ayton?) right now, with the promise that, if he plays his ass off, we'll try our damnedest to move him by the trade deadline. Worst case scenario we get an immediate intensity boost by having him in the locker room.

Why do this? Because the Heat are more likely to see value in our players than just about any other team simply because they believe that "heat culture" can transform any players, and our players definitely have more innate talent than the castoffs the Heat normally have to work on, and then if we have Butler there are probably more teams that will come around to wanting him than there would be interested in our guys. (Imagine if OKC got interested, with all their picks.)

(Of course, the flaw in my reasoning is that the Heat could just hold out and get the deal that we hope to get, but they run the risk of being stuck with Butler past the deadline, and given how stubborn both he and Pat Riley are, that's not a good recipe.)


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sure, why not.
 
We are in the middle of a rebuild. Why on earth would we make a trade for a 35 year old superstar making almost 49M this season and 52M next season. We are not a Jimmy Buttler away from contention.

Maybe we can be a third team that can capitalize off of this upcoming deal. We have the ability to take unwanted contracts right now as long as they aren't guys who need playing time... and hopefully we could get a pick or prospect out of it.
 
blazerkor said:
We are in the middle of a rebuild. Why on earth would we make a trade for a 35 year old superstar making almost 49M this season and 52M next season. We are not a Jimmy Buttler away from contention.

Maybe we can be a third team that can capitalize off of this upcoming deal. We have the ability to take unwanted contracts right now as long as they aren't guys who need playing time... and hopefully we could get a pick or prospect out of it.
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Shed salary?
 
SheedSoNasty said:
Shed salary?
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There are contenders who will pay a bunch right now for that dude. He's worth a lot more than the return a salary dump would get Miami. We alos don't need to shed salary. We're at a place where we can take on bad contracts to build up our stockpile of picks or get more prospects.
 
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