Plausible destinations for our vets?

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OR-84 said:
I would imagine several other scenarios, but do you think Lakers would have interest in Ayton? It doesn’t look like we could get much in return contract wise (Rui, Gabe, Max?), but maybe have a 3rd team involved for more? I imagine Lakers will just try and get Jonas, but just wondered if there would be any value for either teams to do a trade.
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For the shit they have to offer, it's Ayton or nothing. No Timelord for them!
 
BIG Q said:
If you got a 1st for Williams, flip it with Grant for an expiring. Then next season Ant, Aton and Thybulle are expirings and more can be done with the roster.
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Kind of sucks if Grant value is so bad we have to attach a FRP to move him. You may be right though.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Do not give up a FRP to get rid of Grant
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I don't think Shams says that there's a lot of interest in Jerami if that interest is teams who want him and a pick to make things work.

Shams said Ant, Jerami and Rob... he didn't say Deandre so I'd assume he didn't find any teams that have Ayton with positive value but I would assume he found teams that had positive value on the other three. The only thing I worry about is if other executives' positive value matches what Joe thinks but for Ant and Jerami it better.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I wouldn't either, would just hope to get to the summer and he can be flipped for an expiring.

Just sucks having soo much pointless $ on our cap for years with these 5 useless vets.
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I'd rather them sit there on the bench for 5 years than give up a FRP to get rid of them.

Maybe if he's parked on the bench he'll think about rebounding and upping his value.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'd rather them sit there on the bench for 5 years than give up a FRP to get rid of them.

Maybe if he's parked on the bench he'll think about rebounding and upping his value.
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I do not believe the value of Blazer vets will go up because of good performance, That's a pipe-dream. It might go down because of bad performance though, and this season is probably the example of that

The only way the Blazers might get more for those vets than the current market is when they are on expiring contracts, although I think that value is likely overrated. Another way they might get more is if a contending team has an injury and needs to plug a hole. But there will always be cheaper alternatives in undersized SG's who are poor defenders, like Simons. This might work for Grant but the possibility seems remote

I think Ayton has negative value with the flaws he has and his salary. That's not going to change, IMO

Timelord? I am skeptical any team will move a 1st for him, but I suppose it's remotely possible. But he missed 76 games last season and has already missed 21 of 32 games this season. The clock is already ticking loudly on his next injury

matching Thybulle's offer sheet was one of Cronin's dumber moves
 
Sounds like a season-ending injury for Ivey…if the Pistons are aiming for the playin/playoffs, Ant could be a good patch, especially with his outside shooting. They don’t have many big salaries, but Ant for Ausar/Hardaway probably works. Pistons lose a young prospect, but they just drafted Holland at forward too. Seems in the realm of reasonable.
 
wizenheimer said:
I do not believe the value of Blazer vets will go up because of good performance, That's a pipe-dream. It might go down because of bad performance though, and this season is probably the example of that

The only way the Blazers might get more for those vets than the current market is when they are on expiring contracts, although I think that value is likely overrated. Another way they might get more is if a contending team has an injury and needs to plug a hole. But there will always be cheaper alternatives in undersized SG's who are poor defenders, like Simons. This might work for Grant but the possibility seems remote

I think Ayton has negative value with the flaws he has and his salary. That's not going to change, IMO

Timelord? I am skeptical any team will move a 1st for him, but I suppose it's remotely possible. But he missed 76 games last season and has already missed 21 of 32 games this season. The clock is already ticking loudly on his next injury

matching Thybulle's offer sheet was one of Cronin's dumber moves
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Yeah, that was more of an aside. I don't expect any of their values to increase. But maybe if Grant were fighting for playing time he'd have incentive to get a few rebounds.
 
Sacramento is getting desperate. I would try sending them Grant for Huerter ( 1 more year) and Lyles (ending contract) plus a first.
We also decrease our salary cap by almost 5 million. Not sure that works but ESPn Trade machine says it does.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Sacramento is getting desperate. I would try sending them Grant for Huerter ( 1 more year) and Lyles (ending contract) plus a first.
We also decrease our salary cap by almost 5 million. Not sure that works but ESPn Trade machine says it does.
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Grant is not really what they should be looking for.
 
ant said:
Sounds like a season-ending injury for Ivey…if the Pistons are aiming for the playin/playoffs, Ant could be a good patch, especially with his outside shooting. They don’t have many big salaries, but Ant for Ausar/Hardaway probably works. Pistons lose a young prospect, but they just drafted Holland at forward too. Seems in the realm of reasonable.
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Was thinking the exact same thing
 
ant said:
Sounds like a season-ending injury for Ivey…if the Pistons are aiming for the playin/playoffs, Ant could be a good patch, especially with his outside shooting. They don’t have many big salaries, but Ant for Ausar/Hardaway probably works. Pistons lose a young prospect, but they just drafted Holland at forward too. Seems in the realm of reasonable.
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I wouldn't be interested in Ausar. He's not as good as Amen and is a worse shooter. I think the last 8-9 seasons in Portland have shown that a bad-shooting wing is not much of an asset unless they are elite at a couple of other things. Ausar isn't

I'd shoot for Simons for Hardaway+Beasely+lottery protected 1st. I'd settle for a little less because both players are on expiring contracts
 
wizenheimer said:
I wouldn't be interested in Ausar. He's not as good as Amen and is a worse shooter. I think the last 8-9 seasons in Portland have shown that a bad-shooting wing is not much of an asset unless they are elite at a couple of other things. Ausar isn't
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Agree. We are set with wings who can defend but can't shoot. As much as fans here hyped him last year after a good start, I am not sure he is better than Murray, let alone Camara or Deni.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wouldn't be interested in Ausar. He's not as good as Amen and is a worse shooter. I think the last 8-9 seasons in Portland have shown that a bad-shooting wing is not much of an asset unless they are elite at a couple of other things. Ausar isn't

I'd shoot for Simons for Hardaway+Beasely+lottery protected 1st. I'd settle for a little less because both players are on expiring contracts
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I like your version better, and agree with Pinwheel, we’re all set at SF with Deni/TC. A Hardaway+Beasely+FRP would be a great return.
 
Detroit owes a pick that is protected until 2027. So the earliest unencumbered pick they can send is 2029.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't think Shams says that there's a lot of interest in Jerami if that interest is teams who want him and a pick to make things work.

Shams said Ant, Jerami and Rob... he didn't say Deandre so I'd assume he didn't find any teams that have Ayton with positive value but I would assume he found teams that had positive value on the other three. The only thing I worry about is if other executives' positive value matches what Joe thinks but for Ant and Jerami it better.
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It was just me throwing it out myself to add a late pick to move Grant out, but only if an expiring contract comes back. Portland could get a pick eventually doing what OKC did with CP3 if Cronin and Vulcans know what to do and how to do it. No rumors or anything, just me pining to get rid of Grant.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Sacramento is getting desperate. I would try sending them Grant for Huerter ( 1 more year) and Lyles (ending contract) plus a first.
We also decrease our salary cap by almost 5 million. Not sure that works but ESPn Trade machine says it does.
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It works.
 
ant said:
Sounds like a season-ending injury for Ivey…if the Pistons are aiming for the playin/playoffs, Ant could be a good patch, especially with his outside shooting. They don’t have many big salaries, but Ant for Ausar/Hardaway probably works. Pistons lose a young prospect, but they just drafted Holland at forward too. Seems in the realm of reasonable.
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Detroit is a really interesting trade partner because they have around 14M in cap space. So they could send us as little as 12M in salary and take Ant's full salary in return. That gives them and anyone they trade with a lot of flexibility.
 
ant said:
Sounds like a season-ending injury for Ivey…if the Pistons are aiming for the playin/playoffs, Ant could be a good patch, especially with his outside shooting. They don’t have many big salaries, but Ant for Ausar/Hardaway probably works. Pistons lose a young prospect, but they just drafted Holland at forward too. Seems in the realm of reasonable.
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They're not giving up on Ausar that quickly (and I don't want Ron Holland) so this is probably the best we could expect:
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It actually works without Fontecchio because of Detroit's caproom, but they probably don't want to do that.
 

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blazerkor said:
Detroit is a really interesting trade partner because they have around 14M in cap space. So they could send us as little as 12M in salary and take Ant's full salary in return. That gives them and anyone they trade with a lot of flexibility.
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They have. Cade and Ivey so I don't think they want Simons
 
BIG Q said:
It was just me throwing it out myself to add a late pick to move Grant out, but only if an expiring contract comes back. Portland could get a pick eventually doing what OKC did with CP3 if Cronin and Vulcans know what to do and how to do it. No rumors or anything, just me pining to get rid of Grant.
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Ant is my number one priority to get off of our roster but Jerami isn't far behind. I hope neither has negative value and think there are probably a few teams that would see either guy as having some positive value... not a lot but probably a little. Ayton however might be harder to move but I don't really mind him staying if we can get a decent return for Timelord.
 
inconceivable said:
They have. Cade and Ivey so I don't think they want Simons
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Yeah, I was just responding to a post that said because it looks like Ivey is out for the season that maybe they would want Ant... I don't really know what having Cade would have to do with not wanting Ant because I think they're very different and complementary players but I get what you're saying about Ivey, in the long run. Ant and Ivey are pretty redundant.
 
I think our most promising current trade partner has got to be SACRAMENTO given that they managed both to can their coach AND piss off their star (because he's getting blamed for the firing) so they're probably pretty desperate to WIN NOW.
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Getting Carter might be a stretch, but he is injured and they do want to WIN NOW...
Actually, given their size, they could probably actually use Reath:
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