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I love how everyone just continues to act like they know the details of trade conversations Cronin has with other teams.
 
wizenheimer said:
you're trying to sell a used 2017 car. it's bluebook value is around $15,000. People offer $12,000-14,000. Your counter-offer is $29,000, firm. That's not hardball, it's dumb-ball
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I never said he's trying to get twice what they are worth. I said he's trying to get fair value. He's trying to get that 12-14 and getting offered 8-9 if that.
 
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blazedanugz said:
you don’t approve of the Dame and Deni trades?
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Of course. Cronin switched from getting screwed over in deals (Clippers/Pelicans) to winning them or at least getting fair value...it's what I'm saying.
 
Chris Craig said:
Of course. Cronin switched from getting screwed over in deals (Clippers/Pelicans) to winning them or at least getting fair value...it's what I'm saying.
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A 1st and Hart, who got us a 1st, for CJ is getting screwed over?
 
Chris Craig said:
Of course. Cronin switched from getting screwed over in deals (Clippers/Pelicans) to winning them or at least getting fair value...it's what I'm saying.
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I wasn’t necessarily replying to you anyway lol
I don’t disagree with you on the CJ Norm trade but I have a hard time thinking we wouldn’t gotten all that much value when GMs new we were in a very tough position
 
Chris Craig said:
I never said he's trying to get twice what they are worth. I said he's trying to get fair value. He's trying to get that 12-14 and getting offered 8-9 if that.
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obviously, we don't know what the offers are. We can have a general idea if anybody is interested in the car(s) for sale, and the Blazer models are likely a pretty depressed market

I think we can say, if the rumors are true that Cronin was demanding two 1st round picks for Grant, he was asking way above market...

out of 192 qualified players this season, Grant ranks:

PER - 156th
TS% - 175th
Ast Rat - 132nd
Reb Rate - 161st
winshare/48 - 176th
BPM - 153rd

he's shooting a career low on 2ptFG%; and, he's at a career low (by a lot) on FG% at the rim

two 1st round picks for that?

now, in fairness, he has been quite a bit better on most of those marks in the past, but he's a SF and a team always needs to wonder about declining production & efficiency at age 30 and later, for a wing.

And obviously, two years ago, when he was 28, he was traded for only one 1st round pick that had a high probability of being in the 20's. And that pick was the total return. And at the time, his salary was 20M, expiring. Now his salary is 30M and he will turn 31 in two months; and he has 3 years, after this, left on his deal at 34M/year

I wonder what 'fair market value' would be?
 
blazedanugz said:
I love how everyone just continues to act like they know the details of trade conversations Cronin has with other teams.
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I think it was 2015 when I started calling for Olshey to be fired. A lot of voices joined mine in 2016 after that insane spending spree Olshey went on. And the "we don't know what was actually discussed" excuse was offered all the time by Olshey supporters. It was always a major-league deflection, IMO

now, it's true, we weren't listening to trade calls or free agent negotiations. Not for Olshey and not for Cronin. But we sure as hell saw the rosters they built. And we heard enough to get a decent idea about how they felt about players. We knew that Olshey had mad-love for CJ and would have never traded him. We knew he was obsessed with dumpster diving and reclamation projects. And we knew he did not prioritize length or defense

and we know things about Cronin too. He's not a completely closed book. We know he liked Simons enough to give him a contract well over the market at the time; and there was some reporting it was Cronin who steered Olshey's attention to Simons in the 2018 draft. We heard several month's worth of rumors about Grant being a primary target for Cronin. And then we saw him land a 1st and build a TPE sufficient for Grant in the trade in the Pelicans trade. We heard nearly 2 years worth of rumors that for some reason, Cronin really coveted Ayton. And he made Ayton the centerpiece of the return from the Dame trade

so yeah, this roster is Cronin's, and if there are dead weights on his roster, especially ones he can't move, he's to blame
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'm hoping we trade Grant for Middleton or a similar deal and just get out of the last year or two of Grants contract.

I've totally given up on a FRP.

Grant is clearly our 3rd forward at best behind Deni/Camara. Not a good situation for him or the team to continue to roll forward with him on this roster.

But I never would've thought it made sense to acquire the vets Cronin did so who the hell knows what he will do with them.
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I’m in the same boat.

Avdija is playing too well to keep him on the bench. It actually benefits us more to get almost nothing back but better fits for the team so Deni gets full reign at the forward spot on offense.

I disagree with some people who don’t think he could net 2 1sts back. Free up Grant’s minutes for Deni, and I don’t see why he couldn’t be averaging around 18/7/5 on better efficiency than his current averages are by the end of the season as a 24yo, with three years left on his deal. Why is a player like that not worth 2 1sts if we put him on the market?

Is 2 1sts and a player better than Brogdon a crazy ask down the line when Mikal went for 5 1sts? I’m not interested in trading Deni, but I’m not entirely sure why a lot of people are griping over the price.
 
Freshtown said:
Why pay first round pick prices for grant or Simons when you can get Finney Smith or these kinds of players for seconds?

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Why couldn't Olshey ever land players like that for 2nds? He gave up firsts for players like Aflallo, Covington, and Nance Jr, desparate to add talent.

Also, if Brogs goes for a 2nd, that kills the "Cronin gave up 3 firsts for Deni" narrative.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think it was 2015 when I started calling for Olshey to be fired. A lot of voices joined mine in 2016 after that insane spending spree Olshey went on. And the "we don't know what was actually discussed" excuse was offered all the time by Olshey supporters. It was always a major-league deflection, IMO

now, it's true, we weren't listening to trade calls or free agent negotiations. Not for Olshey and not for Cronin. But we sure as hell saw the rosters they built. And we heard enough to get a decent idea about how they felt about players. We knew that Olshey had mad-love for CJ and would have never traded him. We knew he was obsessed with dumpster diving and reclamation projects. And we knew he did not prioritize length or defense

and we know things about Cronin too. He's not a completely closed book. We know he liked Simons enough to give him a contract well over the market at the time; and there was some reporting it was Cronin who steered Olshey's attention to Simons in the 2018 draft. We heard several month's worth of rumors about Grant being a primary target for Cronin. And then we saw him land a 1st and build a TPE sufficient for Grant in the trade in the Pelicans trade. We heard nearly 2 years worth of rumors that for some reason, Cronin really coveted Ayton. And he made Ayton the centerpiece of the return from the Dame trade

so yeah, this roster is Cronin's, and if there are dead weights on his roster, especially ones he can't move, he's to blame
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Also if you want to dump on Olshey even more, look at the players he TRIED to sign and how their careers panned out after that: Parsons, Hibbert, Monroe...

I think Paul Allen was scared of him or something...
 
beast blazer said:
Why couldn't Olshey ever land players like that for 2nds? He gave up firsts for players like Aflallo, Covington, and Nance Jr, desparate to add talent.

Also, if Brogs goes for a 2nd, that kills the "Cronin gave up 3 firsts for Deni" narrative.
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haven't seen the 3 first's narrative. Have seen the 2 first's + 2 second's narrative
 
beast blazer said:
Why couldn't Olshey ever land players like that for 2nds? He gave up firsts for players like Aflallo, Covington, and Nance Jr, desparate to add talent.

Also, if Brogs goes for a 2nd, that kills the "Cronin gave up 3 firsts for Deni" narrative.
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Yeah, I think if Brogs was worth a first we'd have gotten a first out of him.
 
beast blazer said:
Also if you want to dump on Olshey even more, look at the players he TRIED to sign and how their careers panned out after that: Parsons, Hibbert, Monroe...

I think Paul Allen was scared of him or something...
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I just think Mr. Allen was dying by the time Olshey took over and that's what gave Olshey such a long leash.
 
Is there a player we can trade for win a combination of our vets to swing to Minnesota for Jaden McDaniels?

McDaniels would essentially replace Grant’s salary, last year of his deal is $30m in ‘28-‘29. His play this year would the reason we would be able to get him for no picks, maybe a couple 2nd. Reclamation project, like Wiggins was. Still a very good defender and only 24yo, and I still believe in his shot. If his shot ever did come around, that $24-30m/yr deal would also be a bargain, although not as crazy as Deni’s.

This would allow us to just take BPA in the draft.
 
beast blazer said:
Why couldn't Olshey ever land players like that for 2nds? He gave up firsts for players like Aflallo, Covington, and Nance Jr, desparate to add talent.

Also, if Brogs goes for a 2nd, that kills the "Cronin gave up 3 firsts for Deni" narrative.
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To be fair, the market and trades are different now with the new CBA, so it's not like it was before in the past...
 
I would imagine several other scenarios, but do you think Lakers would have interest in Ayton? It doesn’t look like we could get much in return contract wise (Rui, Gabe, Max?), but maybe have a 3rd team involved for more? I imagine Lakers will just try and get Jonas, but just wondered if there would be any value for either teams to do a trade.
 
OR-84 said:
I would imagine several other scenarios, but do you think Lakers would have interest in Ayton? It doesn’t look like we could get much in return contract wise (Rui, Gabe, Max?), but maybe have a 3rd team involved for more? I imagine Lakers will just try and get Jonas, but just wondered if there would be any value for either teams to do a trade.
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I doubt the Lakers would want Ayton even if we took their worst contracts.
 
If we can get 1 first for any of RW3, Ayton, Simons, or Grant, I will consider that a win.

1 first and one of those players gone, that’s all I’m asking for.

if we can get rid of two players and get 2 firsts, that will be a home run.
 
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