Plausible destinations for our vets?

[Rastapopoulos]

Lakers would be salivating if they can swap Hachimura with Grant

Yeah, I REALLY do not see the appeal of Hachimura. We got the good Wizards forward.

 

[wizenheimer]

Lakers would be salivating if they can swap Hachimura with Grant

I'm not sure that's true, but it doesn't really matter because they can't do it. 2nd apron issue so the trade would have to be more and it probably has died many deaths because of the details

 

[SharpesTriumph]

contract has nothing to do with who is the superior basketball player and I would bet my left nut not one person in the NBA thinks Rui is a better player than jerami Grant. That’s actually one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard on this platform and I’ve been around a pretty long time.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the team but boy…

The discussion was trade value - so contract is a major factor.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, I REALLY do not see the appeal of Hachimura. We got the good Wizards forward.

I don't see the appeal of a 30 year old Grant shooting 39%, pulling down 3 rpg and earning $160 million.

Would be great if some stupid GM in the NBA would cough up a FRP for that.

Unfortunately I suspect the only one who might do that - works for my favorite NBA team.

 

[Cugel]

I don't see the appeal of a 30 year old Grant shooting 39%, pulling down 3 rpg and earning $160 million.

Would be great if some stupid GM in the NBA would cough up a FRP for that.

Unfortunately I suspect the only one who might do that - works for my favorite NBA team.

Cronin ain’t the guy. Time for him to be let go. The only good moves he has made, Deni and Toumani, are solid guys but not exactly all star material. Joe should be fired. The Grant contract was asinine and we are stuck with him. This is really going to fuck up the rebuild. Sure he inherited a mess but so did Ainge and UTA has a lot more assets now than POR, including tradable talent. We are stuck with this fucking crew and those 3 vets should just be benched until they are willing to play hard.

Billups seems intent on giving max minutes to Ant, Ayton, and Grant. The fact Deni, the most impactful player on the team, doesn’t even start is grounds for firing as well. Cant wait until they are all gone.

 

[blazerkor]

Cronin ain’t the guy. Time for him to be let go. The only good moves he has made, Deni and Toumani, are solid guys but not exactly all star material. Joe should be fired. The Grant contract was asinine and we are stuck with him. This is really going to fuck up the rebuild. Sure he inherited a mess but so did Ainge and UTA has a lot more assets now than POR, including tradable talent. We are stuck with this fucking crew and those 3 vets should just be benched until they are willing to play hard.

Billups seems intent on giving max minutes to Ant, Ayton, and Grant. The fact Deni, the most impactful player on the team, doesn’t even start is grounds for firing as well. Cant wait until they are all gone.

Getting Tou was pretty great. Deni was an overpay for a good role player... seems like the Portland special. Maybe Joe was the guy who pitched Neil the RoCo deal and/or the Nance deal. Yes, picking up Deni wasn't terrible, he's on a very good contract and he's a solid role player but his ceiling is probably something like a sixth man on a contending roster or even a fifth starter on one. If the guy ends up being an allstar for us, I'll gladly eat crow but two firsts is an overpay for that.

So again there is Tou, there is getting two swaps, three firsts and hopefully something for Rob out of Dame but that's where the good moves start and that's where they stop. Maybe overpaying Jerami ends up bringing back positive things. I thought Ant was probably overpaid because it's hard for a RFA to get that kind of money but hopefully he'll bring back something in a trade too. So those are two maybe alright re-signings. There are a bunch of bad moves too. There is some still potentially good but pretty obvious drafting.

I hope Joe shocks the hell out of us between now and February 6th but I'm not counting on it and I'd also love him gone. Didn't like the fact that we didn't search outside of the organization for Olshey's replacement in the first place.

 

[BankTeller]

I want the picks, not a Zion type player.

Lord, nowadays, you gotta pay me a 1st to take on that contract. I don’t believe he will have any motivation to play here.

 

[BankTeller]

Yeah I think this is right that Ayton is basically worthless as a player and only positive/negative value is his 34/35.6 million contract.

I wonder what the contracts are that are even out there to trade for Ayton?

Nets - Ben Simmons 40.3 - I'd expect they prefer to just wipe that off this summer.
Bulls - LaVine 43.3 45.9 48.9 - Don't think the Blazers want to eat that extra year. If we can get our pick back I might do it
Pelicans - CJ 33.33 30.6 - contracts are similar I've always thought this is the best possibility but would seem CJ would need to go to be sent to a third team

Just doesn't seem like theres that many bad contracts any more in the NBA.

Okay if we could get back a 1st to swap Lavine and Ayton, I’d seriously consider it. My reasons being this:

- Lavine has an opt out. If he and the team perform well enough, he’s going to secure that last payday. So it’s going to put the pressure on the team to make the playoffs so we can get out of that contract sooner.

- Right now, I don’t see Lavine as a worse contract in all honesty. We are sorely lacking a go-to guard, Shae doesn’t seem to want it yet.

- This will either make Shae more motivated or suppress his worth come negotiation time. Make it clear to him that we are bringing Lavine in to push Shae into becoming a go-to guy.

- I think that we have all the makings of a very good defensive team. A sudden spark in offense could actually make us a playoff contender once we bring in our ‘25 lotto pick.


This is all assuming every vet outside of Williams is gone btw.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ayton for Vucevic?

I'd love this but can't imagine why the Bulls would consider it.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba...ng-two-time-all-star/5e99c065aa9218308de8f478

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Ayton for Vucevic?

I'd love this but can't imagine why the Bulls would consider it.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba...ng-two-time-all-star/5e99c065aa9218308de8f478

Bulls build a new big 3!

 

[Cugel]

I think POR should take Middleton, AJ Jr or AJ Green (both are decent 3pt shooters), SRP (?) and give them Grant and Duop etc to get the money to work.

Could see if a 3rd team wants old man Middleton for another SRP or something?

Other contracts that are expiring are

Ben Simmons, Randle, FVV

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think POR should take Middleton, AJ Jr or AJ Green (both are decent 3pt shooters), SRP (?) and give them Grant and Duop etc to get the money to work.

Could see if a 3rd team wants old man Middleton for another SRP or something?

Other contracts that are expiring are

Ben Simmons, Randle, FVV

Salaries match for Grant and Middleton - but Middleton deal expires next season.

If we can't get a pick for Grant I would definitely pull the trigger on the Middleton swap. Then all our contracts would be expiring next year. That's much better than going past the deadline with Grant still here.

Super concerned that we might get stuck with Grants contract - it goes all the way until 2028.

It does make sense from Milwaukee end as they are trying to win now so are probably just going all in to win regardless of Grants cost in 4 years. Middleton when healthy was probably superior to Grant but he hasn't been healthy in many years.

It actually might help those two pick swaps and the pick we own from Milwaukee - they would be stuck with a 34 year old Grant earning $40 million... So that's another benefit.

Grant could actually be a great contributor on Milwaukee, they have rebounding and two main scoring options.

Really like this trade idea the more I think about it.

 

[RR7]

Denver eyeing Lavine, wonder if we could get them in on an MPJ-Grant swap instead, with MPJ ideally going out elsewhere for lesser contracts.

MPJs #s might look better, but sounds like they really need someone else who can create for themselves, vs. more of a spot up shooter. Hence the Lavine interest. Grant's not as dynamic of a scorer as Lavine, but a much better defender, and allows them to keep Braun in the starting lineup as a SG instead of SF.
Probably needs more tweaking, but can see Detroit interested in MPJ over Tobias because of age and shooting ability.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Salaries match for Grant and Middleton - but Middleton deal expires next season.

If we can't get a pick for Grant I would definitely pull the trigger on the Middleton swap. Then all our contracts would be expiring next year. That's much better than going past the deadline with Grant still here.

Super concerned that we might get stuck with Grants contract - it goes all the way until 2028.

It does make sense from Milwaukee end as they are trying to win now so are probably just going all in to win regardless of Grants cost in 4 years. Middleton when healthy was probably superior to Grant but he hasn't been healthy in many years.

It actually might help those two pick swaps and the pick we own from Milwaukee - they would be stuck with a 34 year old Grant earning $40 million... So that's another benefit.

Grant could actually be a great contributor on Milwaukee, they have rebounding and two main scoring options.

Really like this trade idea the more I think about it.

Do it now to give us a month to trade him.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Denver eyeing Lavine, wonder if we could get them in on an MPJ-Grant swap instead, with MPJ ideally going out elsewhere for lesser contracts.
MPJs #s might look better, but sounds like they really need someone else who can create for themselves, vs. more of a spot up shooter. Hence the Lavine interest. Grant's not as dynamic of a scorer as Lavine, but a much better defender, and allows them to keep Braun in the starting lineup as a SG instead of SF.
Probably needs more tweaking, but can see Detroit interested in MPJ over Tobias because of age and shooting ability.
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Maybe we can get a swap from the Bucks and route MPJ there?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Then do a trade with the Bulls



We might be able to flip Vucevic or Middleton for an asset at some point. Maybe even LaVine when his contract has less years.

We get our pick back and a swap for switching our stupid big 3 to a Vucevic/LaVine/Middleton one. Biggest thing I don't like is the extra year of LaVine deal.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Denver eyeing Lavine, wonder if we could get them in on an MPJ-Grant swap instead, with MPJ ideally going out elsewhere for lesser contracts.

MPJs #s might look better, but sounds like they really need someone else who can create for themselves, vs. more of a spot up shooter. Hence the Lavine interest. Grant's not as dynamic of a scorer as Lavine, but a much better defender, and allows them to keep Braun in the starting lineup as a SG instead of SF.
Probably needs more tweaking, but can see Detroit interested in MPJ over Tobias because of age and shooting ability.
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I guess you already had us getting a swap. Yeah I would think Milwaukee would want Grant or MPJ over Harris. Also don't know that Denver would give us a pick, or if they even have one to trade (I know they've sent out a couple).

 

[RR7]

I guess you already had us getting a swap. Yeah I would think Milwaukee would want Grant or MPJ over Harris. Also don't know that Denver would give us a pick, or if they even have one to trade (I know they've sent out a couple).

Milwaukee can't aggregate salaries or take on more salary, so they couldn't take on MPJ. The Harris-Middleton swap gives them a healthy fit, but also shaves 6 million in salary, which I believe gets them below the 2nd apron, so a huge $$ saver. And the ability to sign buy out guys later.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Milwaukee can't aggregate salaries or take on more salary, so they couldn't take on MPJ. The Harris-Middleton swap gives them a healthy fit, but also shaves 6 million in salary, which I believe gets them below the 2nd apron, so a huge $$ saver. And the ability to sign buy out guys later.

Well the fanspo trade machine worked as I posted above sending MPJ there... maybe sending out Connaughton would have Milwaukee below the 2nd apron so they can aggregate?

 

[RR7]

Well the fanspo trade machine worked as I posted above sending MPJ there... maybe sending out Connaughton would have Milwaukee below the 2nd apron so they can aggregate?

Sending out Connaughton for 0 salary back would get them under. However swapping Middleton for MPJ puts them back over.
Spotrac has the salaries slightly different than Fanspo, which I think is where the issue might be. Maybe fanspo isn't factoring in unlikely bnuses, which are factored in to 2nd apron calculations.

Nevermind, it does look like it would work, sorry!

Although I believe it would put us in the tax.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Maybe we can get a swap from the Bucks and route MPJ there?

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This doesn't work.
I'm not sure why it says it's successful.

Bucks are over the 2nd apron & therefore cannot aggregate salaries. They have no way of trading Middleton ($32M) and receiving MPJ ($36M)

 

[blazedanugz]

The discussion was trade value - so contract is a major factor.

your direct quote and post was “rui is the superior player”

 

[MickZagger]

This doesn't work.
I'm not sure why it says it's successful.

Bucks are over the 2nd apron & therefore cannot aggregate salaries. They have no way of trading Middleton ($32M) and receiving MPJ ($36M)

Larry Coon,

Eat your heart out.

 

[RR7]

This doesn't work.
I'm not sure why it says it's successful.

Bucks are over the 2nd apron & therefore cannot aggregate salaries. They have no way of trading Middleton ($32M) and receiving MPJ ($36M)

The Bucks drop below the 2nd apron in the deal

 

[SharpesTriumph]

your direct quote and post was “rui is the superior player”

Which was in reply to the Lakers giving up a FRP for Grant.... so the context of the discussion is the trade value of the player which includes contract/age/etc.

Thats how I intended the statement anyways. If it was read by somebody differently than whatever, my follow up comments have made it very clear.

 

[blazedanugz]

Which was in reply to the Lakers giving up a FRP for Grant.... so the context of the discussion is the trade value of the player which includes contract/age/etc.

Thats how I intended the statement anyways. If it was read by somebody differently than whatever, my follow up comments have made it very clear.

if we wanted to give up jerami Grant for a first round pick and salary filler the deal would be done.

Would you do Grant for rui and Deangelo Russell?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

if we wanted to give up jerami Grant for a first round pick and salary filler the deal would be done.

Would you do Grant for rui and Deangelo Russell?

Yes personally I would as Rui contract is much smaller and he's younger. I don't want the Blazers paying a 34 year old Grant 40 million in 2028.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

if we wanted to give up jerami Grant for a first round pick and salary filler the deal would be done.

Would you do Grant for rui and Deangelo Russell?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's already on the table from a number of late draft teams. We're trying to get a better return.

 

[blazerkor]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's already on the table from a number of late draft teams. We're trying to get a better return.

I just hope Joe is willing to settle for the best offer by the trade deadline on both Ant and Jerami... also it would be ridiculous to have Deandre, Rob and Donovan on the same roster for the rest of the season and I'm not advocating us trading Donovan.

 

[inconceivable]

if we wanted to give up jerami Grant for a first round pick and salary filler the deal would be done.

Would you do Grant for rui and Deangelo Russell?

No, I would want draft capital for Grant