Game Thread PLAY-IN GAME# 1: GRIZZLIES VS BLAZERS - AUGUST 15, 2020 - SATURDAY, 11:30, ABC

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You guys have such a hilarious lack of awareness of why people think we should trade CJ. The problem with CJ is not scoring. You guys always get so worked up when he scores. The guy is a scorer and nothing else. Literally nothing else. He doesn't defend, he isn't a distributor, he is a streaky scorer. That's it. And he's usually really good at it, but the problem is that Dame is also not really a good defender. Now pair that up with Melo.

So when you wonder why people get frustrated with CJ, it's partly because when he's cold he doesn't know when to stop shooting, and then the fact that the guy can't play a lick of defense. Would we have been in this situation if we weren't such a god awful defensive team? Right now we are having to play our starters an absurd amount of minutes to make up for the fact that we don't have a bench and we aren't playing even the smallest amount of defense.

It's such a frustrating problem. On the one hand, we have guys who can make shots now, which we did not have last year. But on the other, we are just giving up free shots at the basket. This is the worst defense I have seen from this team in a long time. We just let Ja Morant do whatever the hell he wanted. CJ was a huge part of that.

So I really like CJ, he's a good dude, he can score in bunches, but he has his flaws and those flaws are amplified on this team. If you want to call me a hater, go for it. I don't care. I have been saying the same things about CJ for years. It's great when he goes off and helps get us a win, but would we have needed him to go off if we could consistently get stops?

So in other words you've been wrong about McCollum for several years. :bgrin:

It's not the trading CJ crap as there is plenty of hate spewed about McCollum that's not related to trading him.
 
CJ showing why he would probably be more universally loved if he was the 3rd option on this team. Gets hot - ride him and he can win a critical game for you in beautiful fashion and win a lot of love. Not feeling it - no problem - work thru Dame and the reliable number two. Between Nurk, Melo's turn back the clock energy, and Trent's bombs maybe we can survive CJ off and on nuclear winters.
 
you don't have to go back that far. A couple of the Dame/Aldridge teams had about the worst Blazer benches ever

Dame's rookie season:

Eric Maynor, Meyers Leonard, Victor Claver, Sasha Pavlović, Ronnie Price, Will Barton (rookie), Luke Babbitt, Joel Freeland, Jared Jeffries, Nolan Smith

that was historically bad

Ha! I was thinking among the competitive teams LOL! Yeah, those were same bad benches for sure, although I wasn't exactly comfortable with the starters on those teams either.
 
We'll get into how he fits with this team during the off season.
If they happen to lose in the first round the narrative will be much different than if they happen to dispatch the Lakers and go on to the conference finals or better.
Why not discuss it now when he just fit very well and pretty much sealed a win in a critical win? With a broken back no less. Are you simply waiting until your view can be validated?
 
Our defense would be a lot better if we would just focus on staying between our guy and the basket and less focus on taking away the 3 from the ball handler. We play too close to the ball handler, end up getting beat, giving up layups, fouling, or giving up a more open three. Our defense gets broken down which leads to offensive rebounds to boot.

In the first quarter our starters played the defense I’m talking about for once. We never returned to it till late in the 4th. We will give up 3’s this way but our defense is not talented enough to take away everything. We have to pick our poison.
 
I know this is a time to celebrate and I see so many positive things about this game and our team going into the Lakers series but Hassan was atrocious today. We still won the game and we know from last game and many other games that Hassan can be very effective so maybe him getting it out of his system and us seeing that we can be good without him means we will be great when he plays to his capabilities. That being said, I'll say it again... really bad game by not so young Whiteside.
 
If they happen to lose in the first round the narrative will be much different than if they happen to dispatch the Lakers and go on to the conference finals or better.
Why not discuss it now when he just fit very well and pretty much sealed a win in a critical win? With a broken back no less. Are you simply waiting until your view can be validated?
I would love to see CJ in that "Vinnie Johnson" role, as early as next year.
 
I like the respect and response of the Grizzlies after the game. They all stayed on the court, shook hands and wished the Blazers well. Many of them made a special trip to find Nurk. Also a number of Blazers went to Morant and gave him a bunch of props. The kid is worthy no doubt. Blazers are gonna have to deal with Ja Morant for years to come.
 
I think my favorite play of the game was when Trent goes for the loose ball doesn't grab it just slaps it ahead to Melo for a open court Jam. We need more heads up plays like that.
Yeah Melo already moving towards the basket was a veteran move also.
 
If they happen to lose in the first round the narrative will be much different than if they happen to dispatch the Lakers and go on to the conference finals or better.
Why not discuss it now when he just fit very well and pretty much sealed a win in a critical win? With a broken back no less. Are you simply waiting until your view can be validated?
I'm not playing games. I just said a week or two ago that I'm not discussing personnel moves while we're trying to win with the guys that we have. This game is a typical good CJ performance, with the exception that he played much better, but still not great, defense than he usually does. CJ is a really good player in this league and if he were on another team I could see him making an all-star team or even two. It's been discussed ad nauseam the ways in which CJ does and doesn't compliment Dame and the team overall. I have made my opinion clear, so many times and haven't wavered in my stance in 4 years. I'm really glad that CJ came through for us tonight and will discuss what I think we should want to get out of CJ going forward when our season comes to a close. I'm not trying to hedge my bets, I promise.
 
Wonder if Aminu or Harkless would have hit some of the clutch threes Carmelo has?...
Or Trent.....Or even Nurkic..?
 
I know this is a time to celebrate and I see so many positive things about this game and our team going into the Lakers series but Hassan was atrocious today. We still won the game and we know from last game and many other games that Hassan can be very effective so maybe him getting it out of his system and us seeing that we can be good without him means we will be great when he plays to his capabilities. That being said, I'll say it again... really bad game by not so young Whiteside.
If things start going too fast for him; it's difficult for him to keep up. He likes it when our defense gets back, faced up and in position. Then he has a little time to see where the threat is coming from. Unfortunately that doesn't happen a lot. On the bright side, it might happen with the Lakers.
 
I think the Blazers knew they would eventually win this game.

For the first 45 minutes of the game, the Blazers were........

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Ha! I was thinking among the competitive teams LOL! Yeah, those were same bad benches for sure, although I wasn't exactly comfortable with the starters on those teams either.

well, that starting C for that team was JJ Hickson....uh-oh

I remember that off-season and it was when I had my first doubts about Olshey. To start with, he made a max offer to Roy Hibbert. I hated that offer and was praying Indiana matched. When they did I was looking forward to which free agents Olshey pivoted too. Well, he pivoted to Joel Freeland, Adam Morrison, and Ronnie Price.....wut?
 
I think my favorite play of the game was when Trent goes for the loose ball doesn't grab it just slaps it ahead to Melo for a open court Jam. We need more heads up plays like that.

Yeah that was a great one. There was so much chaos at first at thought he tapped it to no one just to keep it away from the Grizzles.
 
How is it possible? Stotts sucks, we are the worst team playing defense and now we just made it to 7 straight playoffs? How?
 
If they happen to lose in the first round the narrative will be much different than if they happen to dispatch the Lakers and go on to the conference finals or better.
Why not discuss it now when he just fit very well and pretty much sealed a win in a critical win? With a broken back no less. Are you simply waiting until your view can be validated?

I believe I can speak for a lot of CJ 'critics' when I say my view of CJ has been formed from watching him play in 527 games, and that a good game, or even a dozen good games, isn't going to offset those 527 games and change opinion. CJ has spent his career drafting off Dame, playing weak defense, and posting average efficiency. Today's game doesn't alter that reality

props to CJ. Memphis was twisting their defense and putting their best defenders on Dame. So Portland chose to not run any offense and just let CJ go one-on-one against single coverage by a rookie. CJ hit 3 big shots, and it helped the Blazers win the game. Again, props to CJ for hitting those shots, but you people acting like it alters the nature of his game, or that people critical of CJ should eat crow now, are barking at the moon
 
well, that starting C for that team was JJ Hickson....uh-oh

I remember that off-season and it was when I had my first doubts about Olshey. To start with, he made a max offer to Roy Hibbert. I hated that offer and was praying Indiana matched. When they did I was looking forward to which free agents Olshey pivoted too. Well, he pivoted to Joel Freeland, Adam Morrison, and Ronnie Price.....wut?

Well Olshey inherited a bad roster and was able to turn it around the following year with a 54-28 record so whatever he did worked and we have been in the playoffs ever since making it to the 2nd round that year and the WCF last year and making it again this year against all odds.
 
I believe I can speak for a lot of CJ 'critics' when I say my view of CJ has been formed from watching him play in 527 games, and that a good game, or even a dozen good games, isn't going to offset those 527 games and change opinion. CJ has spent his career drafting off Dame, playing weak defense, and posting average efficiency. Today's game doesn't alter that reality

props to CJ. Memphis was twisting their defense and putting their best defenders on Dame. So Portland chose to not run any offense and just let CJ go one-on-one against single coverage by a rookie. CJ hit 3 big shots, and it helped the Blazers win the game. Again, props to CJ for hitting those shots, but you people acting like it alters the nature of his game, or that people critical of CJ should eat crow now, are barking at the moon

Well, you just established your bias against McCollum as he has had TONS more than a dozen good games. Without McCollums ability break down a defense and create a shot, Dame would have been completely worn down and we wouldn't have made the playoffs. Sure McCollum benefits from Lillard, but as was demonstrated today, Lillard also benefits from McCollum. He had 3 huge games alone in this bubble league.
 
Well Olshey inherited a bad roster and was able to turn it around the following year with a 54-28 record so whatever he did worked and we have been in the playoffs ever since making it to the 2nd round that year and the WCF last year and making it again this year against all odds.

he also inherited two lottery picks and major cap-space

and that 54-28 team failed against the Spurs because it had a shitty bench. Which is what was being discussed
 
he also inherited two lottery picks and major cap-space

and that 54-28 team failed against the Spurs because it had a shitty bench. Which is what was being discussed

Did you get your helping of lunch today? :devilwink:
 

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