Players about to become all-stars (besides Harden)

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PapaG said:
Oh, OK. I guess time will tell. I'd hate to be the one making the decision, but I'd lean Westbrook, at least in terms of having the better career.
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Westbrook, IMO, has the better physical tools to be an All-Star caliber player in the NBA for a longer period, but he's also got significant headcase issues. I'd love to pry Harden away from the Thunder.
 
e_blazer said:
Westbrook, IMO, has the better physical tools to be an All-Star caliber player in the NBA for a longer period, but he's also got significant headcase issues. I'd love to pry Harden away from the Thunder.
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At a max contract? That's the key question. Harden's never even been a starter in the NBA in any consistent manner. He's started 7 out of 222 career games, and only played 31 mpg this season, which was his first season over 27 mpg.
 
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Russell Westbrook has never played under 32.5 mpg in his career, and that was his rookie season.
 
RR7 said:
If I were OKC, I'd trade Westbrook(sure to get a good return), and keep Harden over him.
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Agreed. If they'd've traded Westbrook for Paul they'd be favorites for a championship.

I don't think a simple Westbrook for Rondo trade would necessarily work for the Thunder, though, because Harden functions like a Brandon Roy, so wouldn't work well with a PG who is only useful with the ball in his hands. Perhaps a trade with Houston for Kyle Lowry + ?

However, I think they'll make it work. If a player is let go to keep costs low it will be Ibaka, who is overrated at this point. He's a stellar shot-blocker, but as Spain and Real Madrid discovered, he has major limitations. For about Perkins money he's worth it, but another team is likely to overpay.
 
PapaG said:
At a max contract? That's the key question. Harden's never even been a starter in the NBA in any consistent manner. He's started 7 out of 222 career games, and only played 31 mpg this season, which was his first season over 27 mpg.
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Couldn't you say similar things about Manu Ginobili? Of course, people wildly underrate him, too.
Also: Steve Nash didn't even start his first year in the league. What a bum!
 
OKC is 15-1 when Harden scores 20 points or more. I'd say he's pretty important to their success.

He's 22 years old, a year younger than Westbrook. He's got roughly 3 more years until he even enters his prime.
 
Westbrook has WS of 7.9

The 6th man Harden has a WS of 9.3
 
MickZagger said:
Westbrook has WS of 7.9

The 6th man Harden has a WS of 9.3
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Also .23 WS per 48, same as Durant.
I don't think he's very obtainable, but out of possibilities(excluding guys like Durant, Lebron, etc.) he's probably one of the top players I want in the league.
 
Wizards will be decent and Wall will make All Star team next season.
 
lol Blazers are not getting Harden (or Westbrook, are you kidding me?)...please let go of that fantasy
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Couldn't you say similar things about Manu Ginobili? Of course, people wildly underrate him, too.
Also: Steve Nash didn't even start his first year in the league. What a bum!
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Manu has a career PER of 21.8, with a 24.1 this season. Harden has one year at 21.5ish, with a 14.4 and 16.something his other two year. With that, Manu doesn't even have a max contract.
 
PapaG said:
Manu has a career PER of 21.8, with a 24.1 this season. Harden has one year at 21.5ish, with a 14.4 and 16.something his other two year. With that, Manu doesn't even have a max contract.
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Harden's 22 years old.
 
MickZagger said:
Westbrook has WS of 7.9

The 6th man Harden has a WS of 9.3
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So, the board consensus is that Harden is more valuable than Westbrook as a player?

I disagree, but whatever. Go with it.
 
And Manu's first two years, he was at 14 and 18, but was 25 as a rookie.
 
PapaG said:
Meaning somebody will likely pay Harden as a #1.

Derr

Read the thread.
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wtf? i am reading the thread. Derr. what's that? can you not have a discussion without stupid shit like that?

Manu was initially on a 2 year contract. After his second season, at 27 years old, he was offered a 6 year, 52 million dollar deal. he had shown nothing to be worth anywhere near a max deal(18.7 PER his second season). He likely could have come close to a max deal had he not started his career at 25 here, instead starting at 20 like Harden.
 
RR7 said:
wtf? i am reading the thread. Derr. what's that? can you not have a discussion without stupid shit like that?

Manu was initially on a 2 year contract. After his second season, at 27 years old, he was offered a 6 year, 52 million dollar deal. he had shown nothing to be worth anywhere near a max deal(18.7 PER his second season). He likely could have come close to a max deal had he not started his career at 25 here, instead starting at 20 like Harden.
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Meaning SAS made a decision on Manu, he wasn't a RFA, and he accepted a contract.

You do realize there are greater cap restrictions now, right? I find comparing Harden to Ginobli a decent comparison, but you're obviously not taking the cap into consideration. If you're Presti, you're willing to trade Westbrook this summer and extend Harden to a max deal. That's your position, right?
 
I'd obviously try if I'm presti to extend him below max.
 
RR7 said:
can you show me where in this thread that happened? thanks.
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Re: Players about to become all-stars (besides Harden)
Originally Posted by PapaG

Oh, OK. I guess time will tell. I'd hate to be the one making the decision, but I'd lean Westbrook, at least in terms of having the better career.
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Westbrook, IMO, has the better physical tools to be an All-Star caliber player in the NBA for a longer period, but he's also got significant headcase issues. I'd love to pry Harden away from the Thunder.
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Readers are leaders.
 
PapaG said:
Readers are leaders.
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LOL. And you mock me for reading. I'll repeat my question. Try following along.

did anyone mention us getting westbrook?
 
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