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Right....and unless they fire Stotts, we won't.
And you'd rather give up on CJ before exploring what they can do with Terry?

CJ's ceiling I think can be as a top 25 player if he can keep up this sorta efficiency. There is no way you're getting fair value in a move for him. Watching him become an all star in the east would be painful to recover from.
 
Dame - next....
CJ - Gone. Trade him for the best wing player you can find. Success in the league is not from smallish, ball dominant back-courts. End of Story
Ariza - Keep....as long as you have someone else that can keep his minutes under 30. Great 'glue' guy doing the little things.
Mel0 - Gone. We already have a high volume, low efficiency shooter who doesn't play much defense in CJ.
Whiteside - Keep. If he is really willing to split time with Nurk and will do it for around the same contract as Nurkic, then Yes.
Nurkic - Keep...but understand you need a legit backup because he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Less minutes is better, hence HW.
Hood - Keep. Would be great paired iwth Ariza at SF but he might not ever be the same.
Collins - Keep. The perfect 4/5 to fit with Nurkic/Whiteside and to fill in when there is an inevitable injury.
Ant - Keep. Haven't been impressed with him yet but he is only 20.
Trent - Keep. The possible successor to CJ.
Little - Keep. Getting better everytime he does manage to get a few minutes.
Gabriel - Keep. Amost every time he is on the court, he does something that few if any of our other bigs can do.
Swanigan - Gone. If Biggie is playing, you are not a good team.
Hezonjia - Gone. (See Biggie)
Hoard - Keep. Nice end of the rotation guy.
Brown - Gone. Was hoping to see a little more development out of him this season. Great size but little basketball skill.

the biggest difference I'd have is with the Nurk-Whiteside-Zach rotation at C-PF. Not enough minutes to make it workable long term IMO. I also don't agree that Zach would be the perfect PF. Pascal Siakam, or Bam Abedayo or Jaren Jackson would be much better fits. I worry about Olshey's obvious man-love of Zach and Zach being due for an extension this summer. Another stupid bloated contract on the way?

keeping the young guys makes sense because of cheap rookie scale deals, but Trent will be RFA after next season so a big decision point on him is on the horizon too

and I have no friggin clue why Olshey gave Hezonja a 2 year deal

And you'd rather give up on CJ before exploring what they can do with Terry?

CJ's ceiling I think can be as a top 25 player if he can keep up this sorta efficiency. There is no way you're getting fair value in a move for him. Watching him become an all star in the east would be painful to recover from.

this is CJ's 5th year as the starter, and his 5th year being option 1b. He's not going to sustain this recent 3 game efficiency once Dame comes back. Nearly 400 games together as the starting back court prove that.

Dame puts up stellar numbers too when CJ is out. I think a big reason both do better without the other, statistically, is that Portland actually runs more team offense when one is out vs all the iso ball when it's the 'my-turn-your-turn' tag team they run together. They have no real mesh or synergy that I cans see. But as lead guards there's more assisted baskets for everybody, including them

in the last two games, CJ's usage rates have been 37.4% and 36.1% (Dame's at 30.6% for the year). That's why his production is up, he's simply using more possessions. But the interesting thing is he's still being single covered. Teams are not going out of their way to double, hedge, and trap him like they would with Dame. Obviously, other teams have a belief that CJ won't beat them...

which brings up some numbers CJ fans don't talk about: Portland is 1-3 this year without CJ; and they are 1-4 without Dame. But of course, they are an injured roster with all kinds of issues. However, over the course of the 3 previous seasons, Portland is 8-8 with CJ as lead and Dame is out. But they are 12-2 with Dame as lead and CJ out. That's a big difference. Small sample sizes to be sure but it justifies teams defending CJ normally; and it also justifies all the lengths teams go thru to blanket Dame with their defense

Curry and Monta Ellis had as little synergy as Dame and CJ. But the Warriors had the good sense to break up that back court and go another direction. They backed out of the cul-de-sac that pairing drove them into, and chose another street. I wish Portland would do the same
 
And you'd rather give up on CJ before exploring what they can do with Terry?

CJ's ceiling I think can be as a top 25 player if he can keep up this sorta efficiency. There is no way you're getting fair value in a move for him. Watching him become an all star in the east would be painful to recover from.

I think he could be an All-Star in the East with his own team....but that will never be the case in Portland so get someone who is a better compliment, longer, and a better defensive player.
 
"the biggest difference I'd have is with the Nurk-Whiteside-Zach rotation at C-PF. Not enough minutes to make it workable long term IMO. I also don't agree that Zach would be the perfect PF. Pascal Siakam, or Bam Abedayo or Jaren Jackson would be much better fits. I worry about Olshey's obvious man-love of Zach and Zach being due for an extension this summer. Another stupid bloated contract on the way?"

@wizenheimer ...perhaps I should clarify. I thought we were talking about the current Blazers roster. Of course there are better options out there for a 'perfect' PF to compliment Nurk/HW, but Toronto isn't giving up Siakim anytime soon nor are either of those other two likely available. In a Keep/Go scenario, Collins is the best fit Portland currently has available IMO.
 
Random thoughts.

Wes Matthews is almost criminally under-valued by some fans. I hope Trent turns out as good.
Collins gets a mulligan for this season. Next season he needs to actually prove it, or the team needs to look elsewhere.
I really want Little to succeed - but I fear he is more undersized 4 than our 3 of the future.
Right now, Simons is what is known in baseball as a "tools-goof". He needs to learn how to actually play.
Even if we wanted Melo back, his former agent is now president of the Knicks. If they want him, they will get him. If they don't want him, why the $%#@ should we?
The Nurk/Whiteside situation makes me glad I am not a GM. There are so many ways it can go wrong!
 
I have no idea where Rasta is coming from with the "Trent has blinders on"... He doesn't get a ton of touches and doesn't take a ton of dribbles with his touches like C.J. does... He shoots a lot of catch and shoot type of shots and can attack closing defenders and make plays here or there attacking the rim. That style of play doesn't result in a lot of passing opportunities for others (especially since Trent is having a ton of defense thrown his way), but to me it seems like Trent usually makes the right pass when it's there.

Every time I see him get the ball he's shooting it. Not saying he's selfish, I'm just saying that he always sees that as the best option.

I feel like if he was foreign, Rasta would love him :D
Sure, if he was foreign and had a different game.
 
Got it. Yeah Id do that. Wonder if Philly would.
It probably depends on how well they do in the playoffs. But I figure if anyone could use CJ it's them.
1. They need outside shooting.
2. It doesn't matter that he's undersized for a SG because they've got the biggest PG basically ever.
3. They also kind of need secondary ball handling
4. Their defense is good enough at the other positions to compensate for him.

I'm almost 100% sure that if we asked what they'd be prepared to give up, they'd say Tobias Harris, at which point I think I would lose interest (unless he was the first step to acquiring BOBAN!!!!)
 
It probably depends on how well they do in the playoffs. But I figure if anyone could use CJ it's them.
1. They need outside shooting.
2. It doesn't matter that he's undersized for a SG because they've got the biggest PG basically ever.
3. They also kind of need secondary ball handling
4. Their defense is good enough at the other positions to compensate for him.

I'm almost 100% sure that if we asked what they'd be prepared to give up, they'd say Tobias Harris, at which point I think I would lose interest (unless he was the first step to acquiring BOBAN!!!!)
CJ to Philly makes sense.

However, I'd prefer to have Tobias over that platter of mediocre players.

Josh Richardson -> meh. Don't want him as a starter. A bench guy would be fine.
Mike Scott -> Best thing about him is his name....
Zhaire Smith -> Has potential, but looks to be a bust at this point.
Matissse Thybulle -> Best asset in the trade. See him as a fringe starter-level player in the future.
O'Quinn -> Is a FA and can't legally be included in the trade.
 
CJ to Philly makes sense.

However, I'd prefer to have Tobias over that platter of mediocre players.

Josh Richardson -> meh. Don't want him as a starter. A bench guy would be fine.
Mike Scott -> Best thing about him is his name....
Zhaire Smith -> Has potential, but looks to be a bust at this point.
Matissse Thybulle -> Best asset in the trade. See him as a fringe starter-level player in the future.
O'Quinn -> Is a FA and can't legally be included in the trade.
The platter is just Richardson, Thybulle and filler.
I like Richardson better than Tobias mostly because he's more versatile and historically a better defender. For some reason he doesn't seem to fit as well in Philly as he did in Miami - maybe because they need better outside shooting in a SG. And Thybulle is the real catch. If we had those two in our starting five, we would be transformed defensively.

(I would give Smith one SL to prove that there's something there. Or possibly do what Memphis did with Josh Jackson when they got him from the Suns.)
 
Every time I see him get the ball he's shooting it. Not saying he's selfish, I'm just saying that he always sees that as the best option.


Sure, if he was foreign and had a different game.
Im not sure how he had three games in a row with 10+ assists if he shoots every time he touches it. Thats pretty impressive!
 
I can only assume that YOU are the one who is joking, sir. He is not fit to shine the shoes of pre-injury Wesley, who was a legitimately great defender and very good spot up shooter-of-threes.
And had a step back before Harden had a step back. And he could score in the post.
 

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