Game Thread PLAYOFFS: ROUND 1, GAME 3: LAKERS @ BLAZERS - AUGUST 22, 2020 - SATURDAY, 5:30, ABC

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kjironman1 said:
Because they shoot so poorly they expect them. This has been discussed to extent. Watch the way they react to a shot then watch the way the Blazers react to a shot. The Blazers immediately turn and head back on defense. The Lakers crash the boards with their bigs and send the guards back.
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Coaching????
 
Tince said:
Tonight wasn't about effort. It's about talent.
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no way - being out hustled period.

tonight was a very bad loss - because we could have actually won with more intensity and hustle. Trent was really the only Blazer that hustled. Melo played with intensity. Can’t give much credit to any of the others - including a coach that doesn’t coach
 
Now that i have been chastised for not being a "Real Fan" i will say at least they put out some better effort in game 3.
The end result didn't change much but they did at least stay in the game. Problem is i think they lost this game during game 2. They are second guessing everything and obviously Lillard is not the same player.
I see a lack of synchronicity they were playing with before this series started. It ain't gonna come back without Dame being Damian Lillard. They have him down right now. It's obvious they are pushing him right which forces him to use the left hand to dribble or pass through the trap. Nurk is getting the ball slower and the defense can react easier.

Blazers need to use Dame as a shooting guard or off ball shooter more and also get Trent the ball on the arc. The lakers are also fronting Whiteside. They are leaving him WIDE open for the lob. If any coach is watching the film from this game they must be able to see this? A nice 6-8 points off lobs would change the entire look of the game.
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...just to quibble because I'm irritated after watching that game

but you're dipping into an alternate universe a little there

Portland never had Ariza and Hood at the same time. Maybe they would have if Hood would have stayed healthy. Or maybe the Blazers wouldn't have made that trade (although to me, it's a no-brainer dumping Bazemore for Ariza)

and Portland never had Ariza and Collins at the same time. Again, that's alternate reality

and we don't know what the future holds. Will Portland keep Ariza; especially if the cap drops 25 million? How poorly will Hood play over the next season? Will he ever be close to the same player? Wesley Matthews never was. Will there even be a season if the owners exercise force majeure and smart money seems to point to that happening?

the bench was much better last season, but the changeover engineered by Olshey was a major downgrade in talent. This year's bench has sucked right from the beginning...well before the injuries. I think there a real possibility last season was the high-water mark for the Dame/CJ teams
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Be irritated. That is okay after a loss like that.
Now i understand the alternate universe a little bit but fact remains. they have them now. Two of those players were actually able to play but are not available any longer. The statement was about the bench. It would be better if they had their actual bench players here.
 
Tince said:
Tonight wasn't about effort. It's about talent.
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I will disagree about Talent. Lakers are frequently rolling out 3 very limited players around AD and Lebron. Dwight is a shell of what he was. Carusso is a solid defender but is not really a threat offensively yet we kept over helping to leave Anthony Davis wide open. Every shot Carusso takes is a win for us. Just like everytime Mario touches the ball is a win for them. KCP is a spot shooter and nothing else offensively. Green is an inconsistent jump shooter who if he takes a step inside the 3 pt line it is great for us. Yes AD and Lebron are all world but we lost this game because we were outexecuted the entire second half.

In the second half AD and Lebron were getting whatever they wanted. Obviously Lebron heating up from 3 was a factor, but while they are getting wide open mid range jumpers or layups, we were forcing tough contested jump shots. The quality of shot we got in the second half as opposed to the Lakers is why we lost this game. The fact that we continue to not box out and yield extra possessions certainly has not helped our cause.
 
Neil after we lose the series:

"Look, we weren't going to win anyway. We were an 8th seed against the best team in the west. We were without three of our best guys in Collins, Hood, and Ariza. We were without Little.We went 6-2 in the restart and made the playoffs. And fans are crying about why we didn't add players. We added Adams. We tried to add other substitute players. We tried to add Green. We tried to add other players, but they chose other teams. We didn't add a player to the last roster spot because we are trying to cut costs. It is what it is. We will run it back next year and go at it healthy.

We had tangible gain. Young guys like Anfernee Simons and Wenyen Gabriel got playoff experience. We built great chemistry. We fell short it's no surprise. We are very happy with where we are. Terry did a great job. He got us to the WCF last year. We were just in the WCF. We suffered a substantive amount of injuries this season. We were lucky to make it as far as we did. We were lucky to be included in the restart. We will come back next year and do it again. Nothing has changed. The plan is still the same. It hasn't changed."
 
Chris Craig said:
Again he uses all his energy on defense now
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But he is not even moving on offense. He stands there wide open while Melo forces shot after shot.
Now don't get me wrong. Melo made some of those shots and they were at crucial times. But an open look from three from Trent in my book is a better shot than a contested mid range from Melo.
In my opinion Melo could really help this team if he passed out of the post more.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
no way - being out hustled period.

tonight was a very bad loss - because we could have actually won with more intensity and hustle. Trent was really the only Blazer that hustled. Melo played with intensity. Can’t give much credit to any of the others - including a coach that doesn’t coach
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We could have won with more talent, shot-making, lockdown defenders, and depth as well.

When you can only roll out 6 functional guys against 10 on the Lakers, it's unreasonable to think we're going to run circles around them.

Losing to a team that is far superior to you is not a very bad loss. The Lakers are better 1-2, 4-12, and it shows.
 
Chris Craig said:
Neil after we lose the series:

"Look, we weren't going to win anyway. We were an 8th seed against the best team in the west. We were without three of our best guys in Collins, Hood, and Ariza. We were without Little.We went 6-2 in the restart and made the playoffs. And fans are crying about why we didn't add players. We added Adams. We tried to add other substitute players. We tried to add Green. We tried to add other players, but they chose other teams. We didn't add a player to the last roster spot because we are trying to cut costs. It is what it is. We will run it back next year and go at it healthy.

We had tangible gain. Young guys like Anfernee Simons and Wenyen Gabriel got playoff experience. We built great chemistry. We fell short it's no surprise. We are very happy with where we are. Terry did a great job. He got us to the WCF last year. We were just in the WCF. We suffered a substantive amount of injuries this season. We were lucky to make it as far as we did. We were lucky to be included in the restart. We will come back next year and do it again. Nothing has changed. The plan is still the same. It hasn't changed."
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You forgot to say "At The End Of The Day" "It Is What It Is" would work well in there also.
 
Chris Craig said:
Neil after we lose the series:

"Look, we weren't going to win anyway. We were an 8th seed against the best team in the west. We were without three of our best guys in Collins, Hood, and Ariza. We were without Little.We went 6-2 in the restart and made the playoffs. And fans are crying about why we didn't add players. We added Adams. We tried to add other substitute players. We tried to add Green. We tried to add other players, but they chose other teams. We didn't add a player to the last roster spot because we are trying to cut costs. It is what is. We will run it back next year and go at it healthy.

We had tangible gain. Young guys like Anfernee Simons and Wenyen Gabriel got playoff experience. We built great chemistry. We fell short it's no surprise. We are very happy with where we are. Terry did a great job. He got us to the WCF last year. We were just in the WCF. We suffered a substantive amount of injuries this season. We were lucky to make it as far as we did. We were lucky to be included in the restart. We will come back next year and do it again. Nothing has changed. The plan is still the same. It hasn't changed."
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This makes me angry because you pretty much nailed it!
 
BlazerBeav said:
What bodies could have been added? Players like Mario and JR Smith and Waiters are on rosters - how bad are people who AREN'T on rosters?!
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I said "It's been said" not that there were players they could have added.
 
MightyMouseOps1 said:
I will disagree about Talent. Lakers are frequently rolling out 3 very limited players around AD and Lebron. Dwight is a shell of what he was. Carusso is a solid defender but is not really a threat offensively yet we kept over helping to leave Anthony Davis wide open. Every shot Carusso takes is a win for us. Just like everytime Mario touches the ball is a win for them. KCP is a spot shooter and nothing else offensively. Green is an inconsistent jump shooter who if he takes a step inside the 3 pt line it is great for us. Yes AD and Lebron are all world but we lost this game because we were outexecuted the entire second half.

In the second half AD and Lebron were getting whatever they wanted. Obviously Lebron heating up from 3 was a factor, but while they are getting wide open mid range jumpers or layups, we were forcing tough contested jump shots. The quality of shot we got in the second half as opposed to the Lakers is why we lost this game. The fact that we continue to not box out and yield extra possessions certainly has not helped our cause.
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I guess we see it differently. Caruso, Kuzma, Morris, Howard, and Smith are SO much better than Trent, Wenyen, Marion, Ant, and Hoard in my opinion. You could make a case Trent is better than Kuzma, but after that it's totally lopsided.
 
Chris Craig said:
Neil after we lose the series:

"Look, we weren't going to win anyway. We were an 8th seed against the best team in the west. We were without three of our best guys in Collins, Hood, and Ariza. We were without Little.We went 6-2 in the restart and made the playoffs. And fans are crying about why we didn't add players. We added Adams. We tried to add other substitute players. We tried to add Green. We tried to add other players, but they chose other teams. We didn't add a player to the last roster spot because we are trying to cut costs. It is what is. We will run it back next year and go at it healthy.

We had tangible gain. Young guys like Anfernee Simons and Wenyen Gabriel got playoff experience. We built great chemistry. We fell short it's no surprise. We are very happy with where we are. Terry did a great job. He got us to the WCF last year. We were just in the WCF. We suffered a substantive amount of injuries this season. We were lucky to make it as far as we did. We were lucky to be included in the restart. We will come back next year and do it again. Nothing has changed. The plan is still the same. It hasn't changed."
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I don't think Olshey is a good fit for the Blazers, and it has nothing to do with his drafting or the contracts he's given out or the players he's acquired or let go.

I think the Blazers need a GM who is a salesman. The organization and the community have a lot to offer, but it's not obvious like the Lakers or the Celtics or New York or Miami. You need to convince supporting players that they can enhance their status playing next to not only one of the great players but the great leaders in the game, that you have as supportive a group of fans as anywhere in the NBA, that you are in a city where you are THE team but it's pretty laid back and you won't have the microscope like some of these other cities.

You have to market your product.

But, to do that, you have to see it. You have to believe in it. And, maybe I'm wrong, but Neil just seems to me to be this glitz and glamour guy and I don't know if he appreciates the nuances that would make Portland and the Trail Blazers a preferred destination for useful supporting players, so we end up instead having to overpay and then we get stuck in situations where we don't have the cap room to make moves that we really need to make.
 
Tince said:
I guess we see it differently. Caruso, Kuzma, Morris, Howard, and Smith are SO much better than Trent, Wenyen, Marion, Ant, and Hoard in my opinion. You could make a case Trent is better than Kuzma, but after that it's totally lopsided.
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Caruso is shit pie
 
PCmor7 said:
I don't think Olshey is a good fit for the Blazers, and it has nothing to do with his drafting or the contracts he's given out or the players he's acquired or let go.

I think the Blazers need a GM who is a salesman. The organization and the community have a lot to offer, but it's not obvious like the Lakers or the Celtics or New York or Miami. You need to convince supporting players that they can enhance their status playing next to not only one of the great players but the great leaders in the game, that you have as supportive a group of fans as anywhere in the NBA, that you are in a city where you are THE team but it's pretty laid back and you won't have the microscope like some of these other cities.

You have to market your product.

But, to do that, you have to see it. You have to believe in it. And, maybe I'm wrong, but Neil just seems to me to be this glitz and glamour guy and I don't know if he appreciates the nuances that would make Portland and the Trail Blazers a preferred destination for useful supporting players, so we end up instead having to overpay and then we get stuck in situations where we don't have the cap room to make moves that we really need to make.
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Neil is a salesman. He sells us a lemon every fucking year
 
Chris Craig said:
Neil is a salesman. He sells us a lemon every fucking year
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Oversells, maybe. Sells us a lemon? We made the WCF last year without our center, and are in a series with the league favorites and fighting down 2 starters. There are worse front office job performances. This is just never going to be a destination we can sell to young basketball players. Look how hard Dame and CJ worked to get Melo here - and in the end he only came because no one else was calling. It's done wonders for the twilight of his career, but I doubt anyone else will notice.
 
kjironman1 said:
Be irritated. That is okay after a loss like that.
Now i understand the alternate universe a little bit but fact remains. they have them now. Two of those players were actually able to play but are not available any longer. The statement was about the bench. It would be better if they had their actual bench players here.
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sure, I get where you're coming from

but you can't imagine the best of all possible worlds for Portland and not extend the same option to other teams. The Lakers are missing Bradley and Rondo, and those two would make the Laker bench a lot stronger. Those are also two players who can play good defense against the Blazer backcourt. Now, Ariza could play defense against Lebron and AD so there's a half-push. Zach would be overpowered by AD in my view

Tince said:
I agree with you!

Let's not forget, many people on here wanted a big change in the supporting cast, and A LOT of people thought our roster heading into the season was an upgrade from last season. Olshey was wrong and so were all the people here who thought that as well.
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a big change was needed, but the change needed to be an upgrade, not a major downgrade. 4 seasons of the Aminu/Harkless forward combo was probably 2 seasons too long. 3 seasons of Turner was 3 seasons too long. 7 seasons of Meyers was 9 seasons too long

what wasn't needed was Bazemore, Tolliver, and Hezonja. Those are 3 more reasons to fire Olshey's ass. And, what else wasn't needed was Olshey making giant stupid bets on major contributions from Zach and Simons and not adding any significant competition for their minutes. But that's been Olshey's M.O. when he wants to force Stotts to play his favorites. Olshey broke the bench last summer IMO
 
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Serbian said:
  • I just want to know how every team in bubble has such team depth. Our bench is G league
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Which is exactly why we had to go on an unexpected and amazing run JUST TO GET IN THE DAMN PLAYOFFS!!!! You DO understand this right? We don’t have a lot of talent and it took an UNREAL run to get where we are. You JUST now are seeing we don’t have a lot of depth? Wonder if us missing THREE of our rotation forwards has anything to do with that?
 
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Tince said:
I guess we see it differently. Caruso, Kuzma, Morris, Howard, and Smith are SO much better than Trent, Wenyen, Marion, Ant, and Hoard in my opinion. You could make a case Trent is better than Kuzma, but after that it's totally lopsided.
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I don’t see Caruso, Kuzma, Morris or Howard making much of a difference if they were on the blazers instead of the Lakers. Guys like Anfernee and Little are talented, but we have done nothing to develop them with this high pick and roll all game offense. Anfernee is a scorer who needs to be put in positions to score. He needs to play with Dame, not CJ, so he can be put in spots to score off the bench and he can build confidence so he is ready to play in games Like this.

We need to run some of the offense through Nurkic whether it is in the low post or the high post. He can score, he can pass, his size is a factor and we need him to go at Davis. We are hardly getting any easy shots.

For Trent, we should be running pin downs and curl actions to get him going. Instead we have him just stand in the corner all game, which makes him easy to defend. Even with the trap on the high pick and roll, the Lakers know exactly where he is going to be to scramble back and recover.

Our entire offense is high pick and roll all game with a splash of iso for Melo. There is no variety to our offense so it makes it easy for the lakers (a good defensive team) to lock in and slow Our attack.
 
MightyMouseOps1 said:
I don’t see Caruso, Kuzma, Morris or Howard making much of a difference if they were on the blazers instead of the Lakers. Guys like Anfernee and Little are talented, but we have done nothing to develop them with this high pick and roll all game offense. Anfernee is a scorer who needs to be put in positions to score. He needs to play with Dame, not CJ, so he can be put in spots to score off the bench and he can build confidence so he is ready to play in games Like this.

We need to run some of the offense through Nurkic whether it is in the low post or the high post. He can score, he can pass, his size is a factor and we need him to go at Davis. We are hardly getting any easy shots.

For Trent, we should be running pin downs and curl actions to get him going. Instead we have him just stand in the corner all game, which makes him easy to defend. Even with the trap on the high pick and roll, the Lakers know exactly where he is going to be to scramble back and recover.

Our entire offense is high pick and roll all game with a splash of iso for Melo. There is no variety to our offense so it makes it easy for the lakers (a good defensive team) to lock in and slow Our attack.
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We had 3 fouls on Davis in the first half and never looked to exploit it. Maybe part of that was that everyone on our team had 3 fouls in the first half, but getting him out of the game would have been huge.
 
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