Game Thread PLAYOFFS: ROUND 2, GAME 2: BLAZERS @ NUGGETS - MAY 1, 2019 - WEDNESDAY, 6:00 PM, TNT

[noknobs]

Here's the story.
Argue with them.
Clearly says Five players from the Nuggets and EVAN FUCKING TURNER!
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/could-suspensions-be-coming-game-3

Look up the fucking video yourself. I guess this is where i invoke the S2 cop out rule. YOUR POST IS A FUCKING IDIOT!

Woah, calm down. I've looked up the video. It's only 3 seconds in..


Whistle blows, no one on the Blazers is on the court, that's not disputable.. And I've yet to find a video that shows when Murray went onto the court and you don't seem capable of providing me one...

If you want to argue that people got involved after the timeout that's another discussion all together and one I haven't even brought up.

By the way, the article you posted says:

The incident occurred as Kanter was returning to his bench after Denver's timeout was called. So, there was no active game action at the time of the incident.

So thanks for making my point, not that I needed help.

 

[blue9]

There is no "gray area" and there is no "rub". The timeout has nothing to do with anything.

Players can go onto the court to great teammates during a timeout.

Players cannot leave the bench area and go onto the court during an altercation.

The difference is clear as day.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet dollars to donuts that no suspensions are handed down, even if the rule was clearly broken. Despite precedent being set with CJ a couple years ago, there's no consistency in the application of rules...and "the league wants the series to go 7 games".

 

[illmatic99]

There was so much made about Craig, but Harkless is a far more important player who was gone from the game. Not even a mention about his absence after the game and today.

 

[twobullz]

Royce Young
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@royceyoung
There won’t be any additional disciplinary action taken (suspensions, etc) for the scuffle late in Game 2 between the Nuggets and Blazers, per a league source. Players left the bench area, but it was during a timeout, which doesn’t fall into the rule.

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9:25 AM - May 2, 2019

Not on twitter so don't know how else to share. Looks like nothing will come of it.

 

[BBert]

I just want to add that there may possibly be a "gray area" regarding Murray going onto the court to start the altercation, before he started the altercation.

The rule is that "during an altercation" all players not "participating in the game" must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench.

Some might argue that because of the timeout it was okay for Murray to be out on the court, away from the immediate vicinity of the bench, starting an altercation.

I would counter again that the timeout is irrelevant. Only the five players who are checked into the game during the timeout are "participating in the game". Murray was not checked into the game. He was not participating in the game. He was however, away from the immediate vicinity of the Denver bench, participating in an altercation.

 

[blue9]

BTW - did the league ever issue a warning to Jokic for his face flop in G1? No? Huh - I'm shocked.

Can anyone find video of this? Was it talked about at all after G1? It was so egregiously stupid, and yet the refs served it up just like Jokic ordered it.

If you don't remember what I'm talking about, it was during an in-bounds from the sideline, Jokic flailed his arms into Kanter's arms twice to draw attention, and then immediately threw his head backwards once he knew the refs noticed him.

 

[BBert]

Royce Young
✔
@royceyoung
There won’t be any additional disciplinary action taken (suspensions, etc) for the scuffle late in Game 2 between the Nuggets and Blazers, per a league source. Players left the bench area, but it was during a timeout, which doesn’t fall into the rule.

45
9:25 AM - May 2, 2019

Not on twitter so don't know how else to share. Looks like nothing will come of it.

I not so respectfully disagree.

IMO, the timeout is irrelevant to the rule. The rule pertains to altercations. Not timeouts.

Are they really going to argue that it's okay to leave the bench area to participate in an altercation during a dead ball, just not during the game?

That's some bullshit.

 

[twobullz]

I not so respectfully disagree.

IMO, the timeout is irrelevant to the rule. The rule pertains to altercations. Not timeouts.

Are they really going to argue that it's okay to leave the bench area to participate in an altercation during a dead ball, just not during the game?

That's some bullshit.

Personally, I am curious if it is not Murray, one of the Nuggets stars involved if it is handled differently. Will never know, but something tells me that had a impact on their decision.

 

[BBert]

Can anyone find video of this? Was it talked about at all after G1? It was so egregiously stupid, and yet the refs served it up just like Jokic ordered it.

If you don't remember what I'm talking about, it was during an in-bounds from the sideline, Jokic flailed his arms into Kanter's arms twice to draw attention, and then immediately threw his head backwards once he knew the refs noticed him.

The one where he purposely hit Kanter's shoulder with his head, then threw his head back like he'd been punched by Joe Frazier? Yeah, that was some typical NBA bullshit. No I don't have the video.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Just a friendly reminder the Blazers won last night, in Denver a hard place to win. Hopefully, they take care of homecourt.

 

[blue9]

The one where he hit Kanter's shoulder with his head, then threw his head back like he'd been punched by Joe Frazier? Yeah, that was some typical NBA bullshit. No I don't have the video.

That's the one. Shoulda been all over Twitter. Not that I'm on Twitter, but peeps in here post Twits all the time so I can only assume it was never posted.

 

[illmatic99]

I not so respectfully disagree.

IMO, the timeout is irrelevant to the rule. The rule pertains to altercations. Not timeouts.

Are they really going to argue that it's okay to leave the bench area to participate in an altercation during a dead ball, just not during the game?

That's some bullshit.

They suspended CJ in a regular season game for setting foot on the court in a preseason altercation. Steph did the same thing in a regular season game and got nothing. I don't get why the league is coddling Denver of all the teams. Even their own fan base can't sell out a playoff game-- who gives a shit about them?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Woah, calm down. I've looked up the video. It's only 3 seconds in..


Whistle blows, no one on the Blazers is on the court, that's not disputable.. And I've yet to find a video that shows when Murray went onto the court and you don't seem capable of providing me one...

If you want to argue that people got involved after the timeout that's another discussion all together and one I haven't even brought up.

By the way, the article you posted says:


So thanks for making my point, not that I needed help.

I have a question for @dviss1 and others:
When is it OK to put 2 hands on another player?
When is it OK to put 2 hands on another player AND extend your arms in a push?
In my mind, it's never OK, but I want a ref's viewpoint.

Surely, the Jokic shovinging Kanter with 2 hands extended is a foul in that video.

 

[noknobs]

Woah, calm down. I've looked up the video. It's only 3 seconds in..


Whistle blows, no one on the Blazers is on the court, that's not disputable.. And I've yet to find a video that shows when Murray went onto the court and you don't seem capable of providing me one...

If you want to argue that people got involved after the timeout that's another discussion all together and one I haven't even brought up.

By the way, the article you posted says:


So thanks for making my point, not that I needed help.

@kjironman1

Since you called me a fucking idiot I'm gonna need a response.

 

[kjironman1]

Woah, calm down. I've looked up the video. It's only 3 seconds in..


Whistle blows, no one on the Blazers is on the court, that's not disputable.. And I've yet to find a video that shows when Murray went onto the court and you don't seem capable of providing me one...

If you want to argue that people got involved after the timeout that's another discussion all together and one I haven't even brought up.

By the way, the article you posted says:


So thanks for making my point, not that I needed help.

Convenient that you missed this part. Quote from the "Rule Book"
"During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be subject to suspension, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $50,000."
So really you are making a point that doesn't matter at all.
Also it does seem that you keep trying to argue a point that i was not making at all. The question from the beginning has been "Will the NBA suspend anyone"? The timeout makes absolutely no difference according to the rule book. Try to keep up here. Turner went 40 feet onto the court during an altercation. 5 players from the Denver Nuggets were involved in an altercation.
My point from the very beginning has been and will remain -We shall see what the NBA decides to do here.

Now as far a reasonable conversation goes. I am suspecting that you are indeed correct and they will use the "timeout" as a reason to overlook the rule beings it would have to involve too many Denver players and one that is indeed a starter. I hope that ends this discussion in a satisfactory way for you? My original post was simply a statement about the story i read and the game i watched. I stand by my original assertion that we will indeed see what the NBA decides to do?

 

[noknobs]

Convenient that you missed this part. Quote from the "Rule Book"
"During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be subject to suspension, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $50,000."
So really you are making a point that doesn't matter at all.
Also it does seem that you need help. Because you keep trying to argue a point that i was not making at all. The question from the beginning has been "Will the NBA suspend anyone"? The timeout makes absolutely no difference according to the rule book. Try to keep up here. Turner went 40 feet onto the court during an altercation. 5 players from the Denver Nuggets were involved in an altercation.
My point from the very beginning has been and will remain -We shall see what the NBA decides to do here.

Now as far a reasonable conversation goes. I am suspecting that you are indeed correct and they will use the "timeout" as a reason to overlook the rule beings it would have to involve too many Denver players and one that is indeed a starter. I hope that ends this discussion in a satisfactory way for you? My original post was simply a statement about the story i read and the game i watched. I stand by my original assertion that we will indeed see what the NBA decides to do?

You're response to my first post, which started this whole stupid conversation:

No. Go watch the video again. The whistle blew and Murray was on the court as well as Turner.
But i'm not gonna argue this with you. There was indeed a timeout called and they may very well leave it alone.
Guess we will find out here in about 2 hours right?

 

[wizenheimer]

Relax. He walked off the floor on his own accord. I'm sure you'd be okay too.

I'm a half-century older than Harkless and I'm in mow-the-lawn shape, not NBA-shape. I would NOT be ok if my foot turned sideways 45 degrees away from my leg at the ankle. Besides, I kind of look forward to pain-meds and scotch...it's like a stay-at-home vacation

 

[kjironman1]

You're response to my first post, which started this whole stupid conversation:

The TNT broadcast had an overhead view of the court. There were actually three whistles that were blown. I am not going to try to dig up that video. If you would like you are more than welcome.
For the second and third whistle Turner had already crossed the line on the court. The first whistle could very well have been the timeout but that has not been established at this point.
At least not that i have seen.
Do you have more? Because your video doesn't cover the altercation or the position of the referee that blew the first whistle. Can you say for certain that he was blowing his whistle to start the timeout or was he looking and addressing the altercation? Please i'm waiting for your response on this as i would most certainly give you credit if you can actually show me what the first whistle was blown for?

 

[kjironman1]

I'm a half-century older than Harkless and I'm in mow-the-lawn shape, not NBA-shape. I would NOT be ok if my foot turned sideways 45 degrees away from my leg at the ankle. Besides, I kind of look forward to pain-meds and scotch...it's like a stay-at-home vacation

The Glenfiddich STAYCATION!

 

[kjironman1]

Again i will stand with my original position-
We will all see what the NBA decides to do here.

 

[noknobs]

Can you say for certain that he was blowing his whistle to start the timeout or was he looking and addressing the altercation? Please i'm waiting for your response on this as i would most certainly give you credit if you can actually show me what the first whistle was blown for?

So now you're back to arguing the point that you just got done saying you were never arguing...

Do you see everyone's reaction to the first whistle? It was clearly the timeout. Just stop.

 

[CupWizier]

NBA will not take any more action over the altercation between Murray and Kanter so no suspensions for leaving the bench.

This was according to Joe Freeman

 

[Blazers Roy]

I actually like Stephan A's nickname for Jokic... "big tub of lard"

 

[kjironman1]

So now you're back to arguing the point that you just got done saying you were never arguing...

Do you see everyone's reaction to the first whistle? It was clearly the timeout. Just stop.

My point is and always will be
We will see what the NBA decides to do here.
There has never been an argument from me.
Just you making this whole thing into something that you want to feel you are right about?
What makes you position even more weird is that you don't know one way or another what they will decide?

 

[kjironman1]

NBA will not take any more action over the altercation between Murray and Kanter so no suspensions for leaving the bench.

This was according to Joe Freeman

I don't always like freeman but he is probably right on this.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I was a little irritated that a double technical was called after they reviewed the replay. I get that Murray may have not seen Kanter getting pushed into Craig, but too fucking bad. Murray made a mistake and got into Kanter's face. Penalize the guys who instigates it not the guys who stands up for themselves when someone gets in their face. Kanter did nothing wrong from what I can see.

 

[kjironman1]

NBA will not take any more action over the altercation between Murray and Kanter so no suspensions for leaving the bench.

This was according to Joe Freeman

 

[wizenheimer]

Woah, calm down. I've looked up the video. It's only 3 seconds in..


Whistle blows, no one on the Blazers is on the court, that's not disputable.. And I've yet to find a video that shows when Murray went onto the court and you don't seem capable of providing me one...

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wut???

start looking at the video you linked and start looking at about 52 seconds...who the fuck is chest to chest with Kanter if it isn't Murray...there's another angle of Murray at 1:36

for chrissakes you're the one that posted that video and you couldn't see that?

 

[noknobs]

wut???

start looking at the video you linked and start looking at about 52 seconds...who the fuck is chest to chest with Kanter if it isn't Murray...there's another angle of Murray at 1:36

for chrissakes you're the one that posted that video and you couldn't see that?

AM I IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE?

I AM ONLY ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THE TIMEOUT OCCURRED BEFORE ANYONE ON THE BLAZERS LEFT THE BENCH.

 

[kjironman1]

AM I IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE?

I AM ONLY ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THE TIMEOUT OCCURRED BEFORE ANYONE ON THE BLAZERS LEFT THE BENCH.

And it looks like they are not going to hand down any suspensions for either team.
This discussion is over my friend.
You were indeed correct that they feel the timeout was called and there was no reason for suspensions.

Now here is why i posted in the first place,

It's bullshit that there were no suspensions. There should have been.