Poll: Dark Matter or Variable Gravity?

[Denny Crane]

If you answer "other," please specify. State your reasons for your answer.

 

[AEM]

Dark Matter all the way.

 

[Chutney]

I have no idea.

 

[Denny Crane]

I say variable gravity.

97% of the universe is "missing" - why?

 

[AEM]

An awful lot of dark matter out there. Gravity's a screwy thing, but it can't account for 97% of the universe.

 

[GMJ]

If I'm not mistaken we know about Dark Matter because based on what we know about the universe its a concept that should exist. I just can't vote for that.

Although anti-mater is interesting, but that's something else. I don't know about variable gravity so I'll abstain from voting.

 

[Denny Crane]

The concept of Dark Matter is scientists' way of fudging for the fact the data doesn't fit their model of how things work.

Einstein found there was variable gravity, then chucked the idea because he thought it was a mistake. Turns out, IMO, he was right. Not just my opinion, either. Obviously.

We already believe that the laws of physics change at high speeds, near black holes, and when you look at things through a microscope.

 

[AEM]

Very true, but how many black holes are actually out there? I just can't see enough to account for the 97% figure.

 

[Denny Crane]

There's an incredible number of black holes out there. Especially if you consider the micro black holes that they say are everywhere, including around you on Earth right now.

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence to support variable gravity, Einstein's calculations aside. Like the fact the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

I think I posted in my blog about how they're close to discovering the particle that creates gravity. It could be a very exciting time over the next 50 years when that gets applied via engineering.

 

[Lavalamp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Apr 14 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's an incredible number of black holes out there. Especially if you consider the micro black holes that they say are everywhere, including around you on Earth right now.

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence to support variable gravity, Einstein's calculations aside. Like the fact the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

I think I posted in my blog about how they're close to discovering the particle that creates gravity. It could be a very exciting time over the next 50 years when that gets applied via engineering.</div>

micro black holes on Earth“? Don't black holes need to have tremendous amounts of gravity to exist, and they have such massive amounts of gravity due to their massive amount of dense matter?

And black holes don't let light pass near them, couldn't we see them if they were on Earth?

 

[cpawfan]

So how is this religion or politics?

 

[Denny Crane]

There's actually a lot of worry about a new particle accelerator at CERN creating micro black holes on earth that would destroy the earth.

http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_electron

The discussion of this idea apparently dates as far back as 1919 and was known to Sir Arthur Eddington. More recently, the suggestion has been made by Brian Greene in his book The Elegant Universe. Taken literally, the core idea is that the electron may be a micro black hole, not just resemble it.

 

[o.iatlhawksfan]

Yea IDK why they want to that expirement, but can a little black hole really destroy the earth?

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not worried about micro black holes destroying the earth. They're subatomic in size, and they're more likely to decay or dissolve than grow to some size that would start consuming matter in a way we'd even notice it. In fact, if the electron is a micro black hole, it has near zero mass.

 

[Thoth]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Apr 14 2008, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's an incredible number of black holes out there. Especially if you consider the micro black holes that they say are everywhere, including around you on Earth right now.</div>

Like the ones outside the Federal Reserve, Bureau of Engraving and Printing, Wall St, Inside the White House, The Studios @ Fixed News, Hollywood, & Provo/Orem (here in Utah)?

 

[Thoth]

I voted other. I'm more worried about human stupidity or avarice being the death of us all.

 

[o.iatlhawksfan]

^^ Global Warming= Human Stupidity

 

[huevonkiller]

The problem with this thread is, is that I have somewhat of a "Variable Gravity" theory of my own (in kind of a different sense though), but I don't want to share it at the moment. : O

I'm currently writing a thesis about this, and even if I complete it I can't take all credit for it since it's mostly based on one of my genius relative's thoughts. This is a fascinating topic though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Apr 15 2008, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^ Global Warming= Human Stupidity</div>

Don't get Denny started on Global Warming or you'll get skewered.

 

[AEM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Apr 15 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^ Global Warming= Human Stupidity</div>

Or is human stupidity responsible for believing that there is such a thing as global warming?

 

[AEM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 15 2008, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So how is this religion or politics?

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You mean that you don't worship the almighty black hole?

 

[Denny Crane]

Gravity, in and of itself, is pretty amazing. It's called a weak force, but sometimes it's really strong and sometimes it's really weak.

It's strong enough to hold us all stuck to the planet, yet with not a whole lot of muscle power, we can jump and push against it. That you can lift up a feather from the ground makes it weak. It has some properties that makes it like magnetism, but it lacks the electrical charge factor.

If we could control gravity, it'd be trivial to use that technology to move vehicles and would make interstellar space travel close to reality.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...4/ccview114.xml

Global warming rage lets global hunger grow
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor

The catch is obvious. "The idea that you cut down rainforest to actually grow biofuels seems profoundly stupid," said Professor John Beddington, Britain's chief scientific adviser.

Goldman Sachs says the cost of ethanol from corn is $81 a barrel (oil equivalent), with wheat at $145 and soybeans $232. It is built on subsidy.

Whatever the arguments, politics is intruding. Food export controls have been imposed by Russia, China, India, Vietnam, Argentina, and Serbia. We are disturbingly close to a chain reaction that could shatter our assumptions about food security.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Apr 15 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 15 2008, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So how is this religion or politics?

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You mean that you don't worship the almighty black hole?

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Must......resist.......urge.......to.............make........the.........easy...
.....joke

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 15 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Apr 15 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 15 2008, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So how is this religion or politics?

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You mean that you don't worship the almighty black hole?

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Must......resist.......urge.......to.............make........the.........easy...
.....joke
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I had to resist it, too. As Fresh Prince would say...Too easy.

 

[AEM]