Forum Game POLL: do we WANT to beat the Suns? (6 Viewers)

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Nobody on this coaching staff or roster wants to tank for a draft pick that could replace their job and losing is how coaches get replaced. It would be idiotic for Tiago to lose on purpose or any player on the roster. Boston didn't tank to win championships nor did Denver. Cooper Flagg hasn't gotten Dallas a ring yet either. It's a crap shoot. We don't have roster spots for our current young talent as it is. I think you play the game to win. As a fan I don't think tanking is good basketball regardless of the ping pong balls. Toumani and Deni sure weren't our draft picks.
A rookie Cooper Flagg hasn’t gotten them a championship yet… Ok well time for Dallas to move on the, maybe we can get him for a 2nd rounder since Jokic was a second round pick. Toumani and Deni are two tiers below Jokic and Flagg generously in the case of Camara.
 
I said first round exits not competing for a title obviously I will take 15 WCF’s in a row. Im talking perennial first round exits which is what we are looking at without a HUGE upgrade in talent.
Maybe you have a time-machine, but I doubt it. Why are you predicting perennial first round exits? I think we have a lot of talent and get Dame next year. I'm all for trying to make the playoffs and see what happens, the experience alone is invaluable. If we're so inclined we could always trade into the draft later anyways.
 
Maybe you have a time-machine, but I doubt it. Why are you predicting perennial first round exits? I think we have a lot of talent and get Dame next year. I'm all for trying to make the playoffs and see what happens, the experience alone is invaluable. If we're so inclined we could always trade into the draft later anyways.
Trading into the draft is brutally expensive for an impact player and this year’s draft will be especially so. Because we don’t have the talent to compete with Spurs, OKC, Wolves, LAL always a threat to land a superstar to pair with Luka, and Denver is on a similar timeline to us as we are currently built. All of them are on comparable or better timelines.

The only thing that could change it is if Sharpe exploded and reached his potential. Smaller chance for Scoot and infinitesimally small chance Yang becomes great. Dame has like maybe 3-4 years left at a high level assuming he isn’t a much worse version coming off the Achilles (sadly likely). Jrue wont command much value, RW3 is always questionable. We have a bunch of solid pieces but no superstar. Playoff exits are meaningless (see early Dame seasons) if you lack the talent to get over the hump.
 
We don't have the talent to compete with the SPurs, and their star is 22 years old. Should we just quit until he's gone? Trade everything we have now for picks 7 years from now, so that we can develop them in to their prime right as he's finishing up?
 
Trading into the draft is brutally expensive for an impact player and this year’s draft will be especially so. Because we don’t have the talent to compete with Spurs, OKC, Wolves, LAL always a threat to land a superstar to pair with Luka, and Denver is on a similar timeline to us as we are currently built. All of them are on comparable or better timelines.

The only thing that could change it is if Sharpe exploded and reached his potential. Smaller chance for Scoot and infinitesimally small chance Yang becomes great. Dame has like maybe 3-4 years left at a high level assuming he isn’t a much worse version coming off the Achilles (sadly likely). Jrue wont command much value, RW3 is always questionable. We have a bunch of solid pieces but no superstar. Playoff exits are meaningless (see early Dame seasons) if you lack the talent to get over the humo.
I think we just disagree on the amount of talent the team has. Deni, Clingan, Camara, Sharpe and Scoot will all likely still improve. What they need is playoff experience. We won't really know what we have until they actually have the chance to compete in the playoffs.

There's always going to be generational talent on other teams, that doesn't mean we should just focus on tanking over and over. Who knows, maybe the new owner will sign off on a blockbuster trade that sends us a superstar via trade instead. Point being, anything can happen in the future, so you might as well put your best foot forward now and try to win.
 
The only right answer for success is no, if you actually care about the success of the team long term.

Otherwise youre myopic and wrong.
 
Right now the Blazers have the 13th spot in the draft if they lose two playing games. There’s about a 93% chance they stay at that spot. I know it’s supposed to be a loaded draft, but what are the chances of getting an AllStar level talent with that pick?
 
Right now the Blazers have the 13th spot in the draft if they lose two playing games. There’s about a 93% chance they stay at that spot. I know it’s supposed to be a loaded draft, but what are the chances of getting an AllStar level talent with that pick?
Probably 5x higher than any draft in recent memory. The whole point of a loaded draft is that all stars drop below the top 10 which otherwise is exceedingly rare.
 
Not from Boston losses. They were Nets picks.
That they gutted the team (tanking) to get. Its insanely rare for a team that isn’t a major market to get a superstar without tanking. Look at SAS they got two generational talents and then bolstered the second one (Wemby) with absolutely egregious tanking. The Blazers haven’t outright tanked in ages its a big part of our problem actually. Horrible management (Olshey, Pritchard, the other Asian guy whose name escapes me) and their horrible contracts when what we needed to do at some point was commit to a tank.

The best player we have had in years was due to tanking and that’s Lillard. Sadly we may have whiffed on Scoot and Sharpe remains to be seen. Anyways its always the same refrain from both sides people who just want to do reasonably well and people who want championships no matter the short term cost.

What it comes down to is you either get superstar talent from the draft, or you never compete for a title if you’re a small market team. Maybe a new GM who swung for the fences like Whittset with trade wizardry could remedy things. Would love to get out version of Presti but here we are.
 
Right now the Blazers have the 13th spot in the draft if they lose two playing games. There’s about a 93% chance they stay at that spot. I know it’s supposed to be a loaded draft, but what are the chances of getting an AllStar level talent with that pick?
Right now we are in the 13th spot but there are two teams from the East who will have better records than us who will miss the playoffs. One of the teams between us and the 1st pick will have to be a team that beats us.

Long story short if we are in the lotto we will be in the 12th slot if it's the Clippers that make the playoffs or tied for 11th with the Clippers if it's the Warriors that make the playoffs. The only way we will pick lower than 12 is if one or both of the last two teams in the lotto from the East jump to the top 4.
 
Duh - forgot that losing to the Suns wouldn't eliminate us. Now we need a new poll asking which team (OKC or Spurs) we'd prefer to face. I say OKC

You'd prefer the Thunder?
 
You'd prefer the Thunder?
Yes! We beat them when nobody else could, and I LIKE the Spurs, whereas I prefer it if I really hate the team we're playing against.

PLUS: their style isn't quite as effective in the playoffs, as we saw last year.
 
Yes! We beat them when nobody else could, and I LIKE the Spurs, whereas I prefer it if I really hate the team we're playing against.

PLUS: their style isn't quite as effective in the playoffs, as we saw last year.

The playoffs where they won the championship? I'd say that it was pretty effective.
 
The playoffs where they won the championship? I'd say that it was pretty effective.
Come on. They lost more in the playoffs practically than they did all season. If they'd played to the same level as the regular season they would've lost about one game (like the second Lakers' championship). Instead they looked very beatable against Denver AND Indy.
 
Come on. They lost more in the playoffs practically than they did all season. If they'd played to the same level as the regular season they would've lost about one game (like the second Lakers' championship). Instead they looked very beatable against Denver AND Indy.

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That they gutted the team (tanking) to get. Its insanely rare for a team that isn’t a major market to get a superstar without tanking. Look at SAS they got two generational talents and then bolstered the second one (Wemby) with absolutely egregious tanking. The Blazers haven’t outright tanked in ages its a big part of our problem actually. Horrible management (Olshey, Pritchard, the other Asian guy whose name escapes me) and their horrible contracts when what we needed to do at some point was commit to a tank.

The best player we have had in years was due to tanking and that’s Lillard. Sadly we may have whiffed on Scoot and Sharpe remains to be seen. Anyways its always the same refrain from both sides people who just want to do reasonably well and people who want championships no matter the short term cost.

What it comes down to is you either get superstar talent from the draft, or you never compete for a title if you’re a small market team. Maybe a new GM who swung for the fences like Whittset with trade wizardry could remedy things. Would love to get out version of Presti but here we are.
Lillard wasn't from tanking, he was from the Nets Gerald Wallace trade. Meyers Leonard was the product of the Blazers tanking.

Crazy that the Nets gave us Lillard and a few years later Tatum and Brown to the Celtics.
 
I said first round exits not competing for a title obviously I will take 15 WCF’s in a row. Im talking perennial first round exits which is what we are looking at without a HUGE upgrade in talent.
Disagree. The talent on the roster is mostly young and ascending. I don't think as is it will definitely blossom into championship talent, but could see them become outside contenders with some minor tweaks and continued internal development. I've been a proponent of holding onto the Bucks picks and not doing something stupid like going after some aging star like so many here impatiently craving a sugar high.

Last season I stated they'd make the playoffs this season, caught some crap for saying so from the tanking proponents who apparently just moved the goal posts. Linked below is a favorite poscaster of mine, former NBA scrub and Warriors color commentator Tom Tolbert giving his view on the league going into the playoffs and evaluating the PTB a little after the 4 minute mark. Enjoy!



STOMP
 
If they end up losing the pick (which they will), they should trade for a pick. Team absolutely needs a chance at a star player and this is the draft to do it.
 
If they end up losing the pick (which they will), they should trade for a pick. Team absolutely needs a chance at a star player and this is the draft to do it.
Again, we are getting some percentage of Damian Lillard next season, and he’s looking better than I expected already. I’d take that as our draft pick and enjoy it.
 
Disagree. The talent on the roster is mostly young and ascending. I don't think as is it will definitely blossom into championship talent, but could see them become outside contenders with some minor tweaks and continued internal development. I've been a proponent of holding onto the Bucks picks and not doing something stupid like going after some aging star like so many here impatiently craving a sugar high.

Last season I stated they'd make the playoffs this season, caught some crap for saying so from the tanking proponents who apparently just moved the goal posts. Linked below is a favorite poscaster of mine, former NBA scrub and Warriors color commentator Tom Tolbert giving his view on the league going into the playoffs and evaluating the PTB a little after the 4 minute mark. Enjoy!



STOMP


Poscaster? So, a literal piece of shit caster? I think I'll pass on the listen then.
 
If they end up losing the pick (which they will), they should trade for a pick. Team absolutely needs a chance at a star player and this is the draft to do it.
What team would give up a pick in what's supposed to be an all-time draft? That ship has sailed.
 
Poscaster? So, a literal piece of shit caster? I think I'll pass on the listen then.
Former player, long time color guy for the W's and on national broadcasts for ESPN and ABC for years. He called finals next to Walton and Nessler and as opposed to you both insightful and hilarious. You want to pass on a listen? Okay, whatever... not sure why anyone here should care at all that some random chatsite poster doesn't want to check him out, but it's pretty funny that you thought you'd share that as if we do.

STOMP
 
Former player, long time color guy for the W's and on national broadcasts for ESPN and ABC for years. He called finals next to Walton and as opposed to you both insightful and hilarious. You want to pass on a listen? Okay, whatever... not sure why anyone here should care at all that some random chatsite poster doesn't want to check him out, but it's pretty funny that you thought you'd share that as if we do.

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Stompman, it was just a joke because of the typo. I even highlighted the typo in bold in quoting the post. It was a hilarious typo to make pod into pos, so my post was to merely jump on the chance to define what 'poscaster' could only reasonably be. In reality, I'd love to check it out; it sounds good.

Now you know who is a real POScaster? Danny Marang...with his Jacked Ramsay's podcast that he abandoned long before he got the KATU gig. Also, what was up with him talking about his girlfriend 50 times on the last Rip City Wrap-up? I thought he was married?? Did he get divorced in the last few months and then instantly has a girlfriend that he had to mention 50 times in 30 minutes? That is EPIC levels of sad and cringe. Also constantly saying that she lays hands on him or something all while chomping on Jack in the Box sliders like he's preparing for Armageddon and a world food shortage. Gotta pack on that apocalypse belt around your waist to survive the future wasteland, Danny boy!
 
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Couple thoughts.
If they win tonight they lose the pick but open up a bunch of options. Some of those options make the team better faster with trades.
If they lose tonight and then again and stay in the lottery they most likely get a very late lotto pick that might take a few years to impact the team if the player picked even pans out.

At this point I'm with the team playing to win and letting it happen the way it's just supposed to happen. I don't think they will win tonight. It's that second game at Moda that might put them into the playoffs.
 
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