POR/SAS Blockbuster Trade - Would you do it?

[BatumKaboom]

When was the last time a team with a top 5 PG won a title? Would you have considered Parker a top 5 PG when Spurs last won? I would even go so far as to say that MOST of the time, Point Guard is the least important position for a championship team (See: Rando, old Cassell, old Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, BJ Armstrong, etc...) or they can't push a borderline team over the top (Nash, Kidd, etc..)

Championship teams are defensively sound and led by superstar swingmen and post players. We have something very good in the post with LA and Oden and sacrificing that for a PG wouldn't pay off, IMHO.

Great post

 

[malarky]

Here is my WAG as to a possible trade with the Spurs. I am thinking, if the Spurs collapse this year they may be a good trading partner. I don't think Parker will be available though. He is still young enough that if they rebuild it will be him they build around. The Spurs traded a couple of firsts last year to pick up Kurt Thomas so if they collapse they won't have much chance to rebuild.

Spurs Trade
Duncan

Blazers Trade
Aldridge + Rudy + 1st

This trade gives them two major pieces to rebuild with in addition to Parker/Manu as well as a pick they will need. Parker, Rudy, Manu, Aldridge is a good group that could contend. Portland gets the experience and talent we need to push us over the top. Duncan has a few good years left and as he declines Oden and Roy will take over the majority of the responsibility. Bayless can take over Rudy's minutes at backup SG/PG. With the cap space available this offseason it also works as a salary dump for the Spurs and lets them become big players in the summer of 2010 madness.

 

[maxiep]

Here is my WAG as to a possible trade with the Spurs. I am thinking, if the Spurs collapse this year they may be a good trading partner. I don't think Parker will be available though. He is still young enough that if they rebuild it will be him they build around. The Spurs traded a couple of firsts last year to pick up Kurt Thomas so if they collapse they won't have much chance to rebuild.

Spurs Trade
Duncan

Blazers Trade
Aldridge + Rudy + 1st

This trade gives them two major pieces to rebuild with in addition to Parker/Manu as well as a pick they will need. Parker, Rudy, Manu, Aldridge is a good group that could contend. Portland gets the experience and talent we need to push us over the top. Duncan has a few good years left and as he declines Oden and Roy will take over the majority of the responsibility. Bayless can take over Rudy's minutes at backup SG/PG. With the cap space available this offseason it also works as a salary dump for the Spurs and lets them become big players in the summer of 2010 madness.

Here's my biggest problem with trading with San Antonio--RC Buford. If he's willing to do a deal with you, chances are you're about to get fucked.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm surprised at all the no's.

You guys are severely underrating Tony Parker.

The old saying, you don't trade "bigs for smalls". LMA type players are harder to come by. Plus you throw in Bayless? Tempting but no. I do love Parker's game though.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Duncan is just too old, LMA and Rudy are 21ish and 23 respectively, isn't TD pushing 33-34?
We have our core guys, keep them around. Just make minor trades to consolidate the team.

 

[malarky]

Duncan is 32. He will be 33 in April. However he is still playing at an elite level. Also, he is a player that should age well. He is not dependent on out jumping anyone. While we hope that Aldridge will get there it is not a sure bet.

As for dealing with Buford, I agree that it is a risk and we would be giving up a ton, but if KP wants us to contend sooner rather than later this is a move that could work for both teams.

 

[Answer_AI03]

How about just letting the frontcourt develop and have possibly one of the best frontcourts of ALL TIME? Parker is good, but think in a couple seasons, Bayless could step in and be a great player. The Blazers drafted him, they should stick with their plan of developing young talent, its working VERY well so far.

 

[Drink Your Milkshake]

When was the last time a team with a top 5 PG won a title? Would you have considered Parker a top 5 PG when Spurs last won? I would even go so far as to say that MOST of the time, Point Guard is the least important position for a championship team (See: Rando, old Cassell, old Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, BJ Armstrong, etc...) or they can't push a borderline team over the top (Nash, Kidd, etc..)

Championship teams are defensively sound and led by superstar swingmen and post players. We have something very good in the post with LA and Oden and sacrificing that for a PG wouldn't pay off, IMHO.

This might be a good point if Tony Parker hadn't won THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS. Or Isaiah Thomas didn't make Michael Jordan the Piston's bitch year after year after year. Or if Magic Johnson didn't lead his team to an NBA Championship as a rookie. But all those things happened.

And if it's about defense, why would you want Aldridge who barely plays any? Tony Parker is an excellent defender. If it's about great post players, why would you want Aldridge who's post game is average at best? The truth is it's never been about great post players, it's always been about dominant centers. When's the last time a PF lead team won a championship? Ever? And Duncan is a center so don't go there.

And let's not forget that Tiago Splitter is a great PF prospect.

 

[Drink Your Milkshake]

The reason I'd trade LMA is because I see him as the most likely player on the Blazers to leave when his contract is up. He's a Texas boy at heart and I've always got the impression he can't wait to get back there. In fact he bought a huge, expensive house just a few blocks from the Maverick's training facility.

 

[boatsandstars]

This might be a good point if Tony Parker hadn't won THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

I understand your point, but I don't believe Tony Parker was the reason for those three. His MVP award should have been Duncans and at the time of the championships, I don't think you would have put him in the top 5 at his position. I would pick at least 3 more important pieces on those teams before Parker, I don't see his place on that team any different than the PGs I mentioned before.

Or Isaiah Thomas didn't make Michael Jordan the Piston's bitch year after year after year.

MJ's trophies v. Isiah's trophies? Isiah won, 2? Then Jorden hit his prime and won 6, I don't think it's a valid point.

Or if Magic Johnson didn't lead his team to an NBA Championship as a rookie. But all those things happened.

Great performance, but Magic was drafted #1 by a team that was already a contender in the playoffs the year before and has Kareem. Magic is a legend of the NBA, Tony Parker is not.

And if it's about defense, why would you want Aldridge who barely plays any? Tony Parker is an excellent defender.

What I meant by that is that their are several criteria for Championship teams, one of which being Defense. My implication isn't that LMA was a better defender than Parker. I think there are several important criteria that usually hold true for Championship teams.

1) Defense
2) Explosive, scoring swingmen
3) Dominant Big Men

I feel that we will have a very good defensive team, without Parker and even allowing for LMA lesser defense. I also feel that LMA will be a dominant post player and paired with Oden will allow us to be very deadly. I don't think adding Tony Parker has the same overall effect as letting LMA mature would.

If it's about great post players, why would you want Aldridge who's post game is average at best?

He's fairly inexperienced still, this is his third season, I'll take average. As Oden develops and Roy and Rudy get even better, he'll be a constant threat to score buckets of points at PF.

The truth is it's never been about great post players, it's always been about dominant centers. When's the last time a PF lead team won a championship? Ever? And Duncan is a center so don't go there.

I think a dominant center is counted as a great post player. I don't think LMA will be the one "leading" our team to a Championship. I think it will be Roy and Oden. But I still believe that LMA will be vital in allowing those two to rise to the level we need them to be, I don't think Tony Parker does the same.

And let's not forget that Tiago Splitter is a great PF prospect.

LMA is a better one.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

This might be a good point if Tony Parker hadn't won THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS. Or Isaiah Thomas didn't make Michael Jordan the Piston's bitch year after year after year. Or if Magic Johnson didn't lead his team to an NBA Championship as a rookie. But all those things happened.

And if it's about defense, why would you want Aldridge who barely plays any? Tony Parker is an excellent defender. If it's about great post players, why would you want Aldridge who's post game is average at best? The truth is it's never been about great post players, it's always been about dominant centers. When's the last time a PF lead team won a championship? Ever? And Duncan is a center so don't go there.

And let's not forget that Tiago Splitter is a great PF prospect.

Exactly spot on!

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

LMA is a better one.

And Tony Parker is what Bayless could become, if everything goes perfectly.

 

[noknobs]

The old saying, you don't trade "bigs for smalls". LMA type players are harder to come by. Plus you throw in Bayless? Tempting but no. I do love Parker's game though.

Exactly what I was going to say. Our frontcourt is looking like it will be dominant for many years, why mess with it? I absolutely love Tony Parker and his game, and right now he'd be a big upgrade, but I'm okay with the way Blake and Sergio are playing lately with the team. And Bayless is a huge talent at that position as well. I'm just not sure it's necessary to make a move like this if it involves someone like Aldridge. Now if it involved Raef...

The only real reason we may have to make a trade is once Webster returns, even more people are going to be losing minutes, so a 2 for 1 might reduce the logjam, but I would like to give this team more time together. They've got great chemistry on/off the court, there's not a bad apple among them, and they're all young and getting better.

Not so sure change is what they need.

 

[noknobs]

In fact he bought a huge, expensive house just a few blocks from the Maverick's training facility.

That's why you'd trade him? Because he bought a house in his home state? The nerve...

 

[STOMP]

And Tony Parker is what Bayless could become, if everything goes perfectly.

While he seems to have the some of the same sort of ability to penetrate, he's much bigger, more explosive, and already is a better jumpshooter. This should serve him well playing off of Roy and Rudy who will continue to touch the ball alot. It would be great if he's able to develop a PG mentality of running a team/keeping eveyone involved (much like TP did early on in his career) but don't think thats a rainbow over the hills impossible dream. It's also not a total dealbreaker for him working out here if he doesn't because (again) Portland doesn't need/want a ball dominating PG because of the skills of their other guards. Ideally their 3rd guard (Rudy & Roy being 1 & 2) can excell on and off the ball and reasonably cover the speedier guards in the league.

While not the better player today, Bayless seems to project potentially better in PDX then Parker.

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