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KeepOnRollin said:
I posted this in the deadline thread but think it deserves it's own thread.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ndown_a_few_issues_and_numbers_to_chew_o.html

Some points made. What to do with Hickson, Win to lose pick, lose to win pick, Luxury tax consequences and how that affects us trading with other teams, Olshey deadline-deal history, and etc.
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If Hickson gives up his full Bird rights be agreeing to be dealt to another team, his new team can still re-sign under a non-Bird exception, which would allow his new team to exceed the cap to re-sign him to 120 percent of his previous contract (for Hickson, that would be $4.8 million next season), with annual raises of 4.5 percent, up to four years.
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Is this true? A team can still go over the cap next season 120% of his previous contract to re-sign JJ even without Bird Rights? So a team at the cap, but not close to the tax thresh hold can re-sign JJ for 4.8?
 
Don't know the answer MM. I would assume no but you think they would fact-check that first.
 
Nah, you were wrong. It didn't deserve its own thread. Merge!
 
Maybe an expiring would be a good scenario for a luxury team? Clippers are in a good position.

I could see us pulling off Hickson, Jeffries and Smith for Turiaf, Hill and Butler
 
Yes, MM.

NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.

This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season2 (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 43), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 4.5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.
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So if a team traded for him, they can technically still have their MLE AND him. However for JJ, he'd be taking a less than MLE deal, which he might not be too thrilled about. Thought I do wonder if his market will eventually settle right around that area.
 
RR7 said:
Yes, MM.



So if a team traded for him, they can technically still have their MLE AND him. However for JJ, he'd be taking a less than MLE deal, which he might not be too thrilled about. Thought I do wonder if his market will eventually settle right around that area.
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But he would have the choice, right? he could decline the offer and sign anywhere with cap space to sign him, or take a deal to play somewhere he wants to be for more years and more security for less?
 
It seems like Orlando is trying to give away JJ Redick for practically nothing. I wish we would get in on that.

If we could get Redick and Gortat (not sure how yet), I would consider that a stellar offseason.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It seems like Orlando is trying to give away JJ Redick for practically nothing. I wish we would get in on that.

If we could get Redick and Gortat (not sure how yet), I would consider that a stellar offseason.
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I really with the team would face it's demons and trade Aldridge for a young center and assets. Then sign Milsap in the off season.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I really with the team would face it's demons and trade Aldridge for a young center and assets. Then sign Milsap in the off season.
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It won't happen though. Not unless something spectacular were to present itself. I wonder if Indy would trade George for Aldridge.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
He's been putting up double doubles all season long! 4th in the league. 2 more than our All Star.

8th in the league in rebounds.

I doubt fans of other teams would want their team to trade a guy like JJ.
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Yet GM's of other teams don't want to trade for a guy like JJ. :dunno:
 
What about something like this:

Hickson, Bledsoe, Nolan to Hornets
Ryan Anderson, Elliot Williams to Clippers
Deandre Jordan to Portland

Do you think we might have to throw in meyers or a draft pick? Jordan might be a little overpaid and it seems like the Clippers are willing to make a change. Ryan Anderson would be a perfect fit for them. Probably to steep of a price for them to pay and I think they might want a future pick out of us, but it'd set us up for.

Lillard
Matthews/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Freeland
Jordan

Which is $56 million in guaranteed salary. Not leaving much to fill out the bench with. Maybe it'd make sense to try to make a move or two now so we can get some guys under contract/bird rights rather and still use our MLE.

We could try to help the suns get Josh Smith and end up with a (moderately overpaid but good fit) Channing Frye or something. I would imagine if he doesn't play or is forced to retire we don't have to pay him (salary or luxury tax).

Gortat/Ewill to Atlanta
JSmith/Freeland to PHX
Frye to Portland

Now we're at $59M with full MLE available and:

Lillard/
Matthews/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Frye
Jordan/Frye

The team would still need a b/u center for fouls (minimum: Joel Pryz or Jermaine O'neal, something like that), b/u PG/SG scorer (1/2 MLE), and b/u 2/3 (1/2 MLE). Just throwing ideas out there, not sure how feasible it'd be, but Stotts is familiar with Beaubious, he could be interesting if the playbook was extremely simple for him, one shift of running for about 9 minutes each half w/Batum running the point, and Webster, who still lives here in the offseason.

Lillard (36)/Batum (12)
Matthews (30)/Beabious (18)
Batum (24)/Webster (24)
Aldridge (36)/Frye (12)
Jordan (30)/Frye (18)

spot minutes for Pryzbilla, Ronnie Price, Claver?

A lot would have to go right (Beaubious/Webster consistency, Frye being able to play again), but I don't think that team would be far out from being a contender.
 
So the Clips basicallt get Ryan Anderson for DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe?


That's beyond crappy for them
 
shamelessblazer said:
What about something like this:

Hickson, Bledsoe, Nolan to Hornets
Ryan Anderson, Elliot Williams to Clippers
Deandre Jordan to Portland

Do you think we might have to throw in meyers or a draft pick? Jordan might be a little overpaid and it seems like the Clippers are willing to make a change. Ryan Anderson would be a perfect fit for them. Probably to steep of a price for them to pay and I think they might want a future pick out of us, but it'd set us up for.

Lillard
Matthews/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Freeland
Jordan

Which is $56 million in guaranteed salary. Not leaving much to fill out the bench with. Maybe it'd make sense to try to make a move or two now so we can get some guys under contract/bird rights rather and still use our MLE.

We could try to help the suns get Josh Smith and end up with a (moderately overpaid but good fit) Channing Frye or something. I would imagine if he doesn't play or is forced to retire we don't have to pay him (salary or luxury tax).

Gortat/Ewill to Atlanta
JSmith/Freeland to PHX
Frye to Portland

Now we're at $59M with full MLE available and:

Lillard/
Matthews/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Frye
Jordan/Frye

The team would still need a b/u center for fouls (minimum: Joel Pryz or Jermaine O'neal, something like that), b/u PG/SG scorer (1/2 MLE), and b/u 2/3 (1/2 MLE). Just throwing ideas out there, not sure how feasible it'd be, but Stotts is familiar with Beaubious, he could be interesting if the playbook was extremely simple for him, one shift of running for about 9 minutes each half w/Batum running the point, and Webster, who still lives here in the offseason.

Lillard (36)/Batum (12)
Matthews (30)/Beabious (18)
Batum (24)/Webster (24)
Aldridge (36)/Frye (12)
Jordan (30)/Frye (18)

spot minutes for Pryzbilla, Ronnie Price, Claver?

A lot would have to go right (Beaubious/Webster consistency, Frye being able to play again), but I don't think that team would be far out from being a contender.
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Clippers don't get enough in that trade. Not nearly enough. They give up their starting center and their insurance policy on Paul for a power forward and a guard that hasn't played even a quarter of a season since he came into the league. They could get much more for those two guys.
 
supposedly the clips would give up those two for Garnett though. Anderson would be a good fit next to Griffin and the pick n roll game and is on a really fantastic deal for his talents. Jordan is somewhat feuding with Del Negro and on a more expensive deal, this helps them retain financial flexibility.

I kind of assumed Meyers or a future 1st would be heading their way too.

Doesn't Anderson have more value than Millsap (who they would give up Bledsoe for according to rumors)?
 
Mediocre Man said:
I really with the team would face it's demons and trade Aldridge for a young center and assets. Then sign Milsap in the off season.
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It's our best move. But POR won't trade the "centerpiece" "fan favorite" until his value has dropped at least 40%.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I really with the team would face it's demons and trade Aldridge for a young center and assets. Then sign Milsap in the off season.
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That's what Boston fans said about Pierce years before they obtained Garnett and Ray
 
magnifier661 said:
That's what Boston fans said about Pierce years before they obtained Garnett and Ray
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So we're going to magically trade for two HOFers? Even Pierce in his heyday was better than anyone we currently have on the team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So we're going to magically trade for two HOFers? Even Pierce in his heyday was better than anyone we currently have on the team.
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Why not? There are disgruntled players all the time. Once the demand is made, then you get those players for cheap. In the meantime, you collect as much talent as you can to absorb that bargain.
 
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