Portland trying to get PAUL MILLSAP!

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Sinobas said:
Whaaat? Millsap is a great low-post player and an awesome rebounder. He takes 67% of his shots inside, like a real PF should....Outlaw is a wing, and takes only 19% of his shots inside.

Also, 61% of Outlaws inside shots were assisted, compared to 67% for Millsap, so there is not that much of a difference. We don't really need him to play multiple positions anyway, we already have good players at those other positions.

A guy can only play one position at a time, what really matters is how well he plays it. I think Paul Millsap a much better player than Outlaw.
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Don't forget 'Saps defense! Dude's a stud.
 
PapaG said:
Huh? How many of Millsap's outside shots did he create on his own versus Outlay? I think Travis Outlaw at his current contract is a much better player for the Blazers than wasting precious cap space on Paul Millsap.
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Why does it need to be an outside shot he created? Wouldn't you prefer a shot from 5 feet away over a shot from 20 feet away?
 
barfo said:
Two is not an excessive number of centers.

barfo
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The point is that we have two great assets, and a pretty glaring need at another position. You don't keep two assets at the same position while leaving an opening at a very important position (assuming you can get equivalent talent exchanged in a trade).
 
blazerboy30 said:
The point is that we have two great assets, and a pretty glaring need at another position. You don't keep two assets at the same position while leaving an opening at a very important position (assuming you can get equivalent talent exchanged in a trade).
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That sounds like an argument against signing Millsap, to me. Isn't signing Millsap creating exactly such a two-asset situation?

barfo
 
blazerboy30 said:
The point is that we have two great assets, and a pretty glaring need at another position. You don't keep two assets at the same position while leaving an opening at a very important position (assuming you can get equivalent talent exchanged in a trade).
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So you are saying we should trade Rudy?

:D
 
To me, getting rid of Billa would make sense at the trade deadline, once Oden has proved that he can stay healthy and in the game, before that calling it two assets is a bit optimistic, I view it more as 1.5 assets.
 
barfo said:
That sounds like an argument against signing Millsap, to me. Isn't signing Millsap creating exactly such a two-asset situation?
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But there's a limited pool of free agents. Signing a talented player at a position that you have talent at, since there are no talented players at a position of need, and then trading from that surplus to address need is a reasonable resource-management strategy.
 
Outlay? Did Travis Outlaw and Charles Oakley have a kid?
 
barfo said:
That sounds like an argument against signing Millsap, to me. Isn't signing Millsap creating exactly such a two-asset situation?

barfo
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Not unless there is an equal PG talent in the FA pool that we are not extending an offer to in order to extend the offer the Milsap.

If there is a FA PG that is as good as Milsap is at PF, then yes, signing Milsap would be a mistake. I'm not aware of any out there. Are you?
 
it's_GO_time said:
So you are saying we should trade Rudy?

:D
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If trading Przybilla and Rudy (and Outlaw for that matter) could return a big-time starter (like, say, Devin Harris), I'd trade Rudy in an eye-blink.
 
Minstrel said:
But there's a limited pool of free agents. Signing a talented player at a position that you have talent at, since there are no talented players at a position of need, and then trading from that surplus to address need is a reasonable resource-management strategy.
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doh. You beat me to it, and probably said it better than me.
 
Minstrel said:
If trading Przybilla and Rudy (and Outlaw for that matter) could return a big-time starter (like, say, Devin Harris), I'd trade Rudy in an eye-blink.
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That's a solid, and cheap, package that I bet you could get nice value for. I'd start shopping that for Caron Butler or Harris.
 
blazerboy30 said:
Not unless there is an equal PG talent in the FA pool that we are not extending an offer to in order to extend the offer the Milsap.

If there is a FA PG that is as good as Milsap is at PF, then yes, signing Milsap would be a mistake. I'm not aware of any out there. Are you?
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the dude in my avatar comes pretty close. PER of 17.65 compared to Millsap's 18.71, and Sessions is a year younger too. If this frontloading bonus thing could screw over Utah, it'd work just as well with the Bucks.
 
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Boise Blazer said:
If this is what they have planned then all I have to say is that is fucking cold ... and I love it. Whether or not Millsap is the right choice a plan like this is absolutely brilliant if capable. Especially towards a division rival. It almost has a dirty "Memphis" feel to it.
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If the deal does go down, we should definitely call it a "Dirty Memphis". I like the sound of that. As for the actual workings of it, I would love to see us totally screw Utah while landing a very solid addition to the squad.

It would definitely make for some more interesting discussion surrounding our small forward position and what will happen to Travis Outlaw.

As for the talk about giving up on Przybilla, I think it would be a bad idea. Heś great insurance if things dont work out and he is a guy that wont complain about playing time.
 
number 10 said:
the dude in my avatar comes pretty close. PER of 17.65 compared to Millsap's 18.71, and Sessions is a year younger too. If this frontloading bonus thing could screw over Utah, it'd work just as well with the Bucks.
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Yeah, I do like Sessions more than Millsap for this team. But Utah is in a tougher financial situation. Milwaukee just cleared a lot of space by dealing Jefferson and letting Villanueva walk. They can sign Sessions and stay under the luxury tax, I think. Whereas, if Utah matched a Millsap offer, they may have to pay double on every dollar of it.
 
Minstrel said:
You work at Amazon? That's very cool. I do all my shopping there, I can't imagine the benefits of an employee discount. (Well, I could imagine them...what I mean is that I'm too lazy to calculate them.)
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I think he is trying to tell you that since he was purchased for more than $25 - he came with free shipping.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, I do like Sessions more than Millsap for this team. But Utah is in a tougher financial situation. Milwaukee just cleared a lot of space by dealing Jefferson and letting Villanueva walk. They can sign Sessions and stay under the luxury tax, I think. Whereas, if Utah matched a Millsap offer, they may have to pay double on every dollar of it.
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there's a great article here

quoting the most relevant parts:
That gives the Bucks $6.36 million left under the tax to work with, likely not enough to re-sign both Sessions and Ilyasova.
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If the Bucks want to guarantee they have the cash to keep Sessions, the simplest plan of action would be to let Ilyasova stay in Barcelona another year.
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But what if the Bucks sign Ilyasova for a deal starting at, say, $2 million? Based on recent suggestions in the JS, that seems like the most likely outcome. That would leave just $4.36 million to sign Sessions, which superficially would appear to be a problem. With the MLE at $5.85 million, a team like the Knicks or Blazers could sign Sessions to an MLE-level deal and force the Bucks to go over the tax to match.
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The Bucks could either cut Kurt Thomas ("As a 14-year vet, Thomas would get a minimum of $1.3 million if he was signed by another team, which would put the Bucks on the hook for at most $2.5 million of his $3.8 million deal if they tried to buy him out.") or try and trade him for a trade exception.

So fair enough, Milwaukee is in a better financial situation than Utah. Still, Portland could put them in a sticky situation by offering Sessions a huge contract like the $50m being talked about for Millsap, which at the least would limit their other options.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yeah ... I can defintely see that. I'd do that deal. Both tems would basiically be giving up a great defensive player at a position of less need to add a defensive player at a position of great need

The 13 man depth chart would look something like this:
Blake/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Rudy
Battier/Batum/Martell(?)
LMA/Milsap/Cunningham?
Oden/Pendergraph

with the rookies likely getting very little minutes aside from garbage time or to fill in for injuries.

Edit: How could I forget Nic? ack!
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Blake/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Rudy
G.Wallace/Batum/Webs
LMA/Millsap/Pendergraph
Oden/Pryz


The PG comes at the trade deadline (if Bayless is not improving...or Mills not surprising us all!).

Roy can slide over to PG. Go for Wallace - stop it with Deng and Hinrich! Yuk
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Blake/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Rudy
G.Wallace/Batum/Webs
LMA/Millsap/Pendergraph
Oden/Pryz


The PG comes at the trade deadline (if Bayless is not improving...or Mills not surprising us all!).

Roy can slide over to PG. Go for Wallace - stop it with Deng and Hinrich! Yuk
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Well since the post that you quoted from me was about a Joel for Battier swap I'm not sure what that has to do with Deng and Hinrich :dunno:
 
Where are all his minutes gonna come from? LMA isnt going anywhere I assume so Joel is he on the outs? Joel and LMA and Blake and Outlaw for CP3 and Tyson Chandler!!! :D
 
I mean Joel, LMA, Outlaw, and Bayless for Tyson and CP3 :)

Imagine that lineup

PG- CP3, Blake
SG- Roy, Rudy
SF- Batum, Webster
PF- Millsap, Pendergraph
C- Oden, Chandler

ok ok I know it wont happen.. but I can always override Trade on Nba 2K9
 
We're basically upgrading from Frye to Millsap. That's a great. I just don't see why he'd want to come here. With OKC, he would start and possibly become a star. OKC would get substantially better with him too, I think. If we get Millsap, Outlaw will be traded for a PG.
 
KingSpeed said:
We're basically upgrading from Frye to Millsap. That's a great. I just don't see why he'd want to come here. With OKC, he would start and possibly become a star. OKC would get substantially better with him too, I think. If we get Millsap, Outlaw will be traded for a PG.
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I really couldnt see a ton of minutes for him here though. its nice to be "Amicable" but 15 mpg?
 
KingSpeed said:
We're basically upgrading from Frye to Millsap. That's a great. I just don't see why he'd want to come here. With OKC, he would start and possibly become a star. OKC would get substantially better with him too, I think.
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dude is 6'6.25 barefoot with a standing reach just under Martell's. Maybe he knows where he matches up best (off the bench) + wants to get paid, and yet wants to win?

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
dude is 6'6.25 barefoot with a standing reach just under Martell's. Maybe he knows where he matches up best (off the bench) + wants to get paid, and yet wants to win?

STOMP
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What was Charles Barkley's height w/out shoes? He certainly isn't someone I want playing large minutes at center, but I've seen him play enough minutes at PF to know he can more than hold his own.
 
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