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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I think Lanny was being sarcastic and not trolling if it is about the "saw a guy spit on the street...world is going to pot" comment. Could be wrong.
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Probably, and I mistook it for trolling. We were having an up and up conversation and then it went sarcastic on me and I took it for trying to troll me or bait me in to lowering the conversation.

That "mistake" caused me to be daft and clueless and whatever else I was called ( not that I give a shit) I just find the double standards disgusting. Always have, and there is alot of it around here.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Do you have a link to what you're talking about?

If you didn't mean it as a personal insult then say that and move on.

If you did mean as an insult then please stop.

It's as simple as you want to make it.


People need to be honest about themselves. I troll sometimes. I fully admit it. If in trolling/having fun/stirring the pot I hurt someone's feelings then I have no problem apologizing and moving on.

And if someone wants to call me a troll and I'm trolling then fuck it, I'll own that.

What I don't get is if someone is trolling/stirring the pot, then gets called a troll, they get all butt hurt.
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I didn't mean it as a personal insult, and I stated as much. I thought I was being trolled. Apparently I was wrong and it was sarcastic ( can seem much the same around here).

It doesn't matter anyhow...I am now on ignore. LOL!
 
jlprk said:
Sly's plan was brilliant. He kept up the clicks all through the off-season. Tomorrow at gametime, the O-Livers hit the waiver wire!
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Obviously you are intimidated by those from OLive. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon sweetheart. :drumroll:
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have been watching that old show Rome from HBO lately.

I'm just going to start calling people "Citizen." I think that should cover all manner of gender and race, no?
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You are going to piss off the undocumented aliens, green card holders and international visitors. Unfortunately, I am late because (noted citizen) @Orion Bailey made the same observation earlier. Shame on me.
 
CupWizier said:
I can only judge a person by how they interact with me and others in here. I stand by my opinion
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I don't mind if this goes only one way, but I think time does a lot too, ie getting used to people's baseline, their intentions, their positions. You can only go with what you're shown...So my example of this is you, @CupWizier. Time has shown me that you're alright. In fact, you pretty much reside only on my good side now. If that's not where you want to me, it's going to take some work to get back to where you were before.
 
Propagandist said:
I don't mind if this goes only one way, but I think time does a lot too, ie getting used to people's baseline, their intentions, their positions. You can only go with what you're shown...So my example of this is you, @CupWizier. Time has shown me that you're alright. In fact, you pretty much reside only on my good side now. If that's not where you want to me, it's going to take some work to get back to where you were before.
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Alright... sense i'm such a fucking clueless guy around here... for starters, here is a map of homeless camps in Portland from last year.

I see dots in almost every neighborhood. But yeah. I'm fucking clueless......

Ill add more later so they cans be completely ignored by those who call me names because they think they are right and i'm wrong.....


https://katu.com/news/local/city-of-portland-launches-animated-map-that-tracks-homeless-camps

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Oh what is that, a large congregating of homeless camps right on the side of MT. Tabor?
Oh yeah. im fucking clueless... LMAO!

I'm 100% positive those that called me names wont take it back or admit they are wrong either... so goes the way of S2. ;)

But yeah, i'm the bad guy around here....
 
Orion Bailey said:
Alright... sense i'm such a fucking clueless guy around here... for starters, here is a map of homeless camps in Portland from last year.

I see dots in almost every neighborhood. But yeah. I'm fucking clueless......

Ill add more later so they cans be completely ignored by those who call me names because they think they are right and i'm wrong.....


https://katu.com/news/local/city-of-portland-launches-animated-map-that-tracks-homeless-camps

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Oh what is that, a large congregating of homeless camps right on the side of MT. Tabor?
Oh yeah. im fucking clueless... LMAO!

I'm 100% positive those that called me names wont take it back or admit they are wrong either... so goes the way of S2. ;)

But yeah, i'm the bad guy around here....
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So you've been trolling homeless people?!?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Alright... sense i'm such a fucking clueless guy around here... for starters, here is a map of homeless camps in Portland from last year.

I see dots in almost every neighborhood. But yeah. I'm fucking clueless......

Ill add more later so they cans be completely ignored by those who call me names because they think they are right and i'm wrong.....


https://katu.com/news/local/city-of-portland-launches-animated-map-that-tracks-homeless-camps

a210bb07-eb3b-45de-8f85-f0591669647f-large16x9_Homelesscamps.png


Oh what is that, a large congregating of homeless camps right on the side of MT. Tabor?
Oh yeah. im fucking clueless... LMAO!

I'm 100% positive those that called me names wont take it back or admit they are wrong either... so goes the way of S2. ;)

But yeah, i'm the bad guy around here....
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I couldn't find a photo of it, but the city has placed boulders on SW 13th in the space where some of the camps were, as well as apparent cleanups all over. Perhaps the tide is turning...or not.
 
Propagandist said:
I couldn't find a photo of it, but the city has placed boulders on SW 13th in the space where some of the camps were, as well as apparent cleanups all over. Perhaps the tide is turning...or not.
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Wouldn't have to place boulders if there wasn't a problem right?

But there is no problem. I'm just clueless.....
 
Orion Bailey said:
Alright... sense i'm such a fucking clueless guy around here... for starters, here is a map of homeless camps in Portland from last year.

I see dots in almost every neighborhood. But yeah. I'm fucking clueless......

Ill add more later so they cans be completely ignored by those who call me names because they think they are right and i'm wrong.....


https://katu.com/news/local/city-of-portland-launches-animated-map-that-tracks-homeless-camps

a210bb07-eb3b-45de-8f85-f0591669647f-large16x9_Homelesscamps.png


Oh what is that, a large congregating of homeless camps right on the side of MT. Tabor?
Oh yeah. im fucking clueless... LMAO!

I'm 100% positive those that called me names wont take it back or admit they are wrong either... so goes the way of S2. ;)

But yeah, i'm the bad guy around here....
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I assume this is aimed at me for calling you out in your bitch fest of a thread. The neighborhoods I listed are circled in red. Check the value of our neighborhoods property and get back to me. But feel free to stay out in the suburbs where it’s safe.

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Propagandist said:
I never know what you are talking about and it tires me out. I was just sharing information. Nothing personal intended.
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Nothing personal received.

Not sure what is hard to understand about what I said. I get what you are saying and I am saying that there had to be a homeless problem for them to have to put boulders there to ward them off, correct? Meaning there was a problem even if they are working to improve it.

My clueless statement was meant for one individual, sorry, I assumed you would know that.
 
HCP said:
I assume this is aimed at me for calling you out in your bitch fest of a thread. The neighborhoods I listed are circled in red. Check the value of our neighborhoods property and get back to me. But feel free to stay out in the suburbs where it’s safe.

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Okay, so I can admit to my mistakes and I thought Rocky Butte was Mt. Tabor. My error.

So now lets look at the circles on the map. Aprox 15 sq blocks in each circle. and EVERY circle has dots around it. So you are pretty much verifying I am right that there are homeless almost everywhere on the east side.
Yeah, I can find a few blocks scattered all over without homeless, but in between... there are homeless.

So yeah, when I say almost all of the East side is infiltrated by homeless, I see this map proves me correct, not fucking clueless.
But I don't expect you to acknowledge there are dots all over East Portland.

Takes a man to admit their mistakes.
 
Propagandist said:
I couldn't find a photo of it, but the city has placed boulders on SW 13th in the space where some of the camps were, as well as apparent cleanups all over. Perhaps the tide is turning...or not.
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I know there was one awhile back on the park and ride area on about 76th and Powell that they did the same thing with large rocks and landscaped the area so they could no longer camp there.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Okay, so I can admit to my mistakes and I thought Rocky Butte was Mt. Tabor. My error.

So now lets look at the circles on the map. Aprox 15 sq blocks in each circle. and EVERY circle has dots around it. So you are pretty much verifying I am right that there are homeless almost everywhere on the east side.
Yeah, I can find a few blocks scattered all over without homeless, but in between... there are homeless.

So yeah, when I say almost all of the East side is infiltrated by homeless, I see this map proves me correct, not fucking clueless.
But I don't expect you to acknowledge there are dots all over East Portland.

Takes a man to admit their mistakes.
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I don't need to rely on a map as I live and have lived in SE Portland for nearly 35 years and the homeless areas have decreased dramatically and no, there are not homeless camps "everywhere" in SE Portland. You are totally sensationalizing the problem and act like there are homeless people on every corner in east Portland. Simply not the case.
 
CupWizier said:
I don't need to rely on a map as I live and have lived in SE Portland for nearly 35 years and the homeless areas have decreased dramatically and no, there are not homeless camps "everywhere" in SE Portland. You are totally sensationalizing the problem and act like there are homeless people on every corner in east Portland. Simply not the case.
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Umm that map is from 2017. Ill take their word for it, over yours. I never said every corner. Thanks for twisting my words into a sensationalist whatever....Second, I said homeless. Not homeless camps....the map represents camps andit says that the amount of camps have increased but the population of each has decreased. This is likely in direct correlation of the Large springwater trail camp getting broken up last year and those people spreading out into smaller camps.

As for the homeless decreasing dramatically according to you, again, the news says differently....

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/06/portlands_homeless_population.html

Thanks for your input.
 
"-- While the number of people without permanent housing increased from 2015 to 2017, fewer people are actually sleeping on the street – 1,668 -- a 12 percent drop. That's a level not seen since 2009."

"Analysts attribute that to the city and county's focus on specific groups for priority in shelters, with reductions in the number of women, veterans and people of color sleeping on the street.

The survey showed a 31 percent increase in people staying in emergency shelters and transitional housing."
 
Orion Bailey said:
Umm that map is from 2017. Ill take their word for it, over yours. I never said every corner. Thanks for twisting my words into a sensationalist whatever....Second, I said homeless. Not homeless camps....the map represents camps andit says that the amount of camps have increased but the population of each has decreased. This is likely in direct correlation of the Large springwater trail camp getting broken up last year and those people spreading out into smaller camps.

As for the homeless decreasing dramatically according to you, again, the news says differently....

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/06/portlands_homeless_population.html

Thanks for your input.
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Oh, so a map from 2017 is more relevant than someone who drives in the area pretty much every day of the week. Also, this is what you said

"So yeah, when I say almost all of the East side is infiltrated by homeless, I see this map proves me correct, not fucking clueless."

No, not "almost all" of east Portland is infiltrated with homeless people as you are SENSATIONALIZING the issue for whatever reason. You live in Canby and are happy. I live in SE Portland and I am happy. You stay out of SE Portland and I will stay out of Canby.
 
CupWizier said:
Oh, so a map from 2017 is more relevant than someone who drives in the area pretty much every day of the week. Also, this is what you said

"So yeah, when I say almost all of the East side is infiltrated by homeless, I see this map proves me correct, not fucking clueless."

No, not "almost all" of east Portland is infiltrated with homeless people as you are SENSATIONALIZING the issue for whatever reason. You live in Canby and are happy. I live in SE Portland and I am happy. You stay out of SE Portland and I will stay out of Canby.
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Right. Almost all of the East side is infiltrated. Look at the dots on the map you refuse to look at. No sensationalizing. I just use my eyes is all.

How about you don't quote me and I won't quote you if you cant handle a disagreeing conversation....

Oh and by the way, up until this spring, I lived all over the east side for the last 15 years, but whatever...Im clueless.
 
Anyhow, back to a civil conversation about the homeless issue, or non issue in Portland.

I have posted links and maps, supporting my opinion, I have yet to hear from anyone, any link or study that conflicts my opinion. Instead I have endured ridicule and name calling.

Id like to get this back to a civil debate if anyone is interested?
 
The homelessness problem is pretty self-evident out in my area--Parkrose, Gateway, also farther south all throughout the David Douglas district and the Lents neighborhood. I see a significant amount of urban camping every day. Also a ton in inner SE between 99E and the river; pretty much impossible not to notice when driving from I5 N to I84E, as tents, tarps and trash heaps line both sides of the ramp.
 
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