Porzingis

[e_blazer]

OK, I am going to fix all Phil Jackson's problems. Can you imagine the agony Phil has to go through looking at all his terrible mistakes? Looking at Carmelo, whom he pays so much, and realizing he just doesn't really help the team be better? Looking at a broken down Noah who has three more years at $17 million a year? Looking at 31 year old Courtney Lee, who is signed for three more years? Looking at Porzingas, whom he had so much hope for, and the kid won't even stick around for his exit interview?

Now I think Phil really loves an Evan Turner type player. He will be the centerpiece. Plus Harkless, plus Ed Davis, plus Noah Vonleh. All hard playing guys on good contracts Throw in a dynamic young pg, Napier. Phil's choice of Layman or Connaughton. Three draftpicks. One thing, Phil, since I am giving you so much good stuff and gonna take away all those reminders of your failures , I gotta ask one little favor, could you take Myers Leonard, please?

Sorry I still can't figure out how to grab a screenshot so here is the link:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb2soorb

That should go over well in New York.

 

[oldfisherman]

OK, I am going to fix all Phil Jackson's problems. Can you imagine the agony Phil has to go through looking at all his terrible mistakes? Looking at Carmelo, whom he pays so much, and realizing he just doesn't really help the team be better? Looking at a broken down Noah who has three more years at $17 million a year? Looking at 31 year old Courtney Lee, who is signed for three more years? Looking at Porzingas, whom he had so much hope for, and the kid won't even stick around for his exit interview?

Now I think Phil really loves an Evan Turner type player. He will be the centerpiece. Plus Harkless, plus Ed Davis, plus Noah Vonleh. All hard playing guys on good contracts Throw in a dynamic young pg, Napier. Phil's choice of Layman or Connaughton. Three draftpicks. One thing, Phil, since I am giving you so much good stuff and gonna take away all those reminders of your failures , I gotta ask one little favor, could you take Myers Leonard, please?

Sorry I still can't figure out how to grab a screenshot so here is the link:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb2soorb

The word is out; Phil is driving a hard bargain. You need to add a sweetener to land this deal. A bushel of “special mushrooms” should do it.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

some guy named Gambadoro tweeted this: "Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good"

 

[blue9]

You don't say???

Haha! Doh! I can't keep track of all these Mr. Silvers!

 

[Minstrel]

Would you have traded Lamarcus for 3 firsts and Danny Green?

Danny Green is a far better player than Crabbe or Turner. Danny Green is Crabbe with Turner's defense, or Turner with Crabbe's shooting.

 

[1eyejack]

CJ + 3 picks and filler. Don't overrate CJ he's damn good but KP is a better fit next to Dame and Nurk. Im sure they'll get better offers but that at least might get you in the ball park. No one here can tell me we wouldn't be a better team with KP rather than CJ. I love CJ's game but have to do what's best for team.

 

[Scalma]

CJ + 3 picks and filler. Don't overrate CJ he's damn good but KP is a better fit next to Dame and Nurk. Im sure they'll get better offers but that at least might get you in the ball park. No one here can tell me we wouldn't be a better team with KP rather than CJ. I love CJ's game but have to do what's best for team.

And bye.

 

[NWDJ]

CJ + 3 picks and filler. Don't overrate CJ he's damn good but KP is a better fit next to Dame and Nurk. Im sure they'll get better offers but that at least might get you in the ball park. No one here can tell me we wouldn't be a better team with KP rather than CJ. I love CJ's game but have to do what's best for team.

If giving up CJ, then I think all 3 picks is way too much. He's showing improvements each of the last two years.

 

[1eyejack]

2 late 1st round draft picks we'll be lucky to get a reserve player. The 15 is decent but KP is better than CJ so I'd make that deal.

Look back on this in 3 years and see who's better and it won't be close. KP is 21. Again I love CJ but you if you get the best player in the deal then you do it

 

[Destroyer of Worlds]

Danny Green is a far better player than Crabbe or Turner. Danny Green is Crabbe with Turner's defense, or Turner with Crabbe's shooting.

Danny Green can't dribble or create for others either. This is a ridiculous statement. Danny Green isn't far superior to ANYONE in the league.

Green: 7 / 2 / 3r or 42% shooting and 40% from 3. 10.2 PER. 7% TRB, 10% AST, 14/14% turnover/usage rate. %54 true shooting

Been on the same team for 6 seasons plays 26 minutes a game for the best coach in the league.

Turner: 9 / 3 / 4r on 47% shooting & 26% from 3. 11.4 PER, 8% TRB, 18% AST, 14/18 turnover/usage. 49% True shooting

First year on the team w/limited chemistry + injury prevented chemistry development.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would do CJ for KP.

If the goal is to try to contend now...

CJ/Vonleh/15th for KP and Noah.

Crabbe/20th/26th for Paul George.

Dame/Napier
Turner/Patty
George/Harkless
Porzingis/Aminu
Nurkic/Davis

That's a pretty damn good rotation right there. I think good enough to contend against the Warriors.

 

[Strenuus]

I would do CJ for KP.

If the goal is to try to contend now...

CJ/Vonleh/15th for KP and Noah.

Crabbe/20th/26th for Paul George.

Dame/Napier
Turner/Patty
George/Harkless
Porzingis/Aminu
Nurkic/Davis

That's a pretty damn good rotation right there. I think good enough to contend against the Warriors.

lol at that paul george trade.... that's a joke, right?

 

[Natebishop3]

lol at that paul george trade.... that's a joke, right?

Have you been following the other threads? Do you think I'm just making this shit up out of nowhere? Do I need to go find the numerous other posts in the same vein? Come on man.....

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Have you been following the other threads? Do you think I'm just making this shit up out of nowhere? Do I need to go find the numerous other posts in the same vein? Come on man.....

I think it was a comment on your offer being worse that the L*kers are reportedly offering.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think it was a comment on your offer being worse that the L*kers are reportedly offering.

Not saying the pacers would take it. I have no idea what LA is actually offering. Many reports have said that nobody wants to offer anything good for a one year rental. With that said, stren is acting like I'm the first person to float that trade idea.

 

[Minstrel]

Danny Green can't dribble or create for others either. This is a ridiculous statement. Danny Green isn't far superior to ANYONE in the league.

Green: 7 / 2 / 3r or 42% shooting and 40% from 3. 10.2 PER. 7% TRB, 10% AST, 14/14% turnover/usage rate. %54 true shooting

Been on the same team for 6 seasons plays 26 minutes a game for the best coach in the league.

Turner: 9 / 3 / 4r on 47% shooting & 26% from 3. 11.4 PER, 8% TRB, 18% AST, 14/18 turnover/usage. 49% True shooting

I couldn't agree less with this analysis, outside of the fact that Green can't create for others. PER is a terrible measure, especially in this case where defense matters so much. Beyond that, a major flaw with PER, that just about every statistical analyst has pointed, out is that it rewards shooting more, regardless of how efficient that shooting is.

Let's look at some other measures. (I'm using their career numbers, since both have been in the league long enough for it to be representative and neither is old enough to clearly be in their decline phase.)

Danny Green: .567 TS% / .400 3P% / 1.3 OBPM / 2.0 DBPM / 108 ORtg / 101 DRtg
Evan Turner: .490 TS% / .298 3P% / -2.5 OBPM / 0.5 DBPM / 97 ORtg / 106 DRtg

Green is a much more efficient scorer, contributes much more to his team's offense when he's on the floor and contributes much more to his team's defense when he's on the floor. I tossed in their three point shooting percentages because it goes a long distance (pun intended) in explaining why Green easily outdistances Turner on the offensive end. Shooting matters---a lot. It matters more than Turner being a decent (but not great) play-maker.

The Blazers would be a much better team with Green on the roster instead of Turner, even if Green moved to small forward. He would give the team a genuine defensive ace (something Turner is not) that would also preserve their spacing. Turner's lack of shooting prevents him from starting, or playing starter's minutes, despite being one of the team's best defensive players.

 

[Destroyer of Worlds]

I couldn't agree less with this analysis, outside of the fact that Green can't create for others. PER is a terrible measure, especially in this case where defense matters so much. Beyond that, a major flaw with PER, that just about every statistical analyst has pointed, out is that it rewards shooting more, regardless of how efficient that shooting is.

Let's look at some other measures. (I'm using their career numbers, since both have been in the league long enough for it to be representative and neither is old enough to clearly be in their decline phase.)

Danny Green: .567 TS% / .400 3P% / 1.3 OBPM / 2.0 DBPM / 108 ORtg / 101 DRtg
Evan Turner: .490 TS% / .298 3P% / -2.5 OBPM / 0.5 DBPM / 97 ORtg / 106 DRtg

Green is a much more efficient scorer, contributes much more to his team's offense when he's on the floor and contributes much more to his team's defense when he's on the floor. I tossed in their three point shooting percentages because it goes a long distance (pun intended) in explaining why Green easily outdistances Turner on the offensive end. Shooting matters---a lot. It matters more than Turner being a decent (but not great) play-maker.

The Blazers would be a much better team with Green on the roster instead of Turner, even if Green moved to small forward. He would give the team a genuine defensive ace (something Turner is not) that would also preserve their spacing. Turner's lack of shooting prevents him from starting, or playing starter's minutes, despite being one of the team's best defensive players.

Green has been on one of the best teams in the league for the majority of his career. Evan Turner was on the Sixers. Also, I gave you 10 numbers other than PER. Green is not a 'vastly' better player and for a starter, he plays as many minutes as our guy off the bench.

 

[Minstrel]

Green has been on one of the best teams in the league for the majority of his career. Evan Turner was on the Sixers.

I avoided quoting win shares for exactly that reason. I don't think Turner would be a much better defender or shooter had he simply played on better teams.

Also, I gave you 10 numbers other than PER. Green is not a 'vastly' better player and for a starter, he plays as many minutes as our guy off the bench.

I focused on PER because most of the other stats were basic production stats, which PER already factors in. Assist Rate was a point in Turner's favor but I stipulated that at the beginning of my response to you.

As for the minutes Green plays, that can be directly attributed to the team he plays for. The Spurs are one of the deepest teams in the league and Popovich is famous for using all of his depth. Turner played reserve minutes despite the Blazers not being a particularly deep team and badly needing as much defensive presence as possible.

 

[PDXFonz]

Have you been following the other threads? Do you think I'm just making this shit up out of nowhere? Do I need to go find the numerous other posts in the same vein? Come on man.....

Just because it has been said doesn't mean it makes any sense. No way that comes close to other offers the pacers will get.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

How to beat GS? Size w/mobility.

Going the opposite rout is how you beat GS - go big.

Nurkic + Porzingis would be the first step in building a team to take down the Warriors.

To get a player of his caliber I think you have to offer Dame.

 

[TBpup]

How to beat GS? Size w/mobility.

Going the opposite rout is how you beat GS - go big.

Nurkic + Porzingis would be the first step in building a team to take down the Warriors.

To get a player of his caliber I think you have to offer Dame.

I agree with the part about size/mobility and have posted before in detail how that might be accomplished. When everyone is going small, go big and make them deal with you.

 

[Natebishop3]

Just because it has been said doesn't mean it makes any sense. No way that comes close to other offers the pacers will get.

15+20+Hark gets it done. Does Neil pull the trigger?

Per Woj: “Teams are trying to decide what’s the appropriate cost for a player who they’re being told, pretty adamantly by Paul George’s camp, will be a rental. No matter who you are, no matter who has checked in or who potentially will check in, they’re gonna be told that Paul George is gonna play the season out and then he’s gonna go to the Lakers, that that’s his plan.”

Like COME ON now.....

A player and 2 firsts. That's what I proposed. We have no idea what's currently on the table or what they can get for him. By all accounts, many teams are scared away because of his desire to go to LA.

 

[Strenuus]

Have you been following the other threads? Do you think I'm just making this shit up out of nowhere? Do I need to go find the numerous other posts in the same vein? Come on man.....

Oh, i saw them all... They were all jokes. I just coulsnt respond to all of them individually.

 

[Blazers Roy]

CJ is strong enough to carry a team on his back, he's shown that numerous times, yet a guy who can't win games as number 2 IN THE EAST is rated way above him in this forum.

CJ is always the sacrificial lamb, yet no one can even discuss *theoretically* about the possibility of trading Lillard on this board.

You gotta be fucking kidding me....

 

[oldfisherman]

"All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere," Kristaps' brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. "He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary."

 

[RR7]

I don't see going big as being that effective when you're putting the ball not in your 2 best player's hands, by asking to be lead by Nurkl and Porzingas, but also they're still going to run you to death, and their 3 is worth more than our 2.
Regardless, without moving CJ or Dame, I think the only way to land Porzingas is by capitalizing on the great month and a half Nurkic had for us, and selling high on him in a swap of the 2.

 

[Blazers Roy]

I don't see going big as being that effective when you're putting the ball not in your 2 best player's hands, by asking to be lead by Nurkl and Porzingas, but also they're still going to run you to death, and their 3 is worth more than our 2.
Regardless, without moving CJ or Dame, I think the only way to land Porzingas is by capitalizing on the great month and a half Nurkic had for us, and selling high on him in a swap of the 2.

Exactly! We don't even know if Nurkic can stay healthy.
Porzingis is the model for today's Center position. I like Nurkic, but Porzingis is a better matchup against the Warriors.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[B-Roy]

This is all Turner is good for. One liners.

 

[Trackjack]

The only reason that Phil Jackson wants to trade this kid is this kid hurt his ego without this kid showing up to his exit meeting.