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It has been rumoured that Charlotte wants to move Gerald Wallace and Ray Felton. It has also been rumoured that the Nets want to move Carter. Does it make too much sense for this swap to happen perhaps the Nets include Ager and/or Marcus Williams in the trade as well.

Charlotte gets rid of Wallace who Jordan wants gone while Larry Brown has no confidence in Felton which is why they drafted a point. For New Jersey they replace Carter with a younger scorer and a back up for Harris at the point and Felton also becomes a good potential asset for a larger trade in the future. As Wallace earns less than Carter it also makes the salary cap figure smaller in 2010.

What are your thoughts?
 
Personally no! we need carter to help the youngsters and get bums on seats.
 
Personally, I wouldn't mind that, maybe, but honestly, the Nets aren't looking to move Carter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 6 2008, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Personally, I wouldn't mind that, maybe, but honestly, the Nets aren't looking to move Carter.</div>

Maybe - Maybe not - If the Cavs trade for Wally has any truth to it then you have to at least consider that it might be possible for this trade to work because Wallace it an upgrade over Szczberiak (sp).
 
I'd take that trade. You get a very good young PG, who Brown hates, in Felton. Felton - Harris is not a bad combination and you can actually play Felton at the 2, because the guy can shoot. Wallace, doesn't really have a lot to his game, other than major athletisism and some above average defense, but he can bring a lot to a team. Rebound, blocks, dand a spark on the offense end. You don't want him taking the last shot, but he score when around the basket.
 
Charlotte can keep Wallace and his terrible contract.

I think he's WAY overrated and he's kind of an asshole.

I don't really care about Felton, but he's definitely not worth taking on Wallace's deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Charlotte can keep Wallace and his terrible contract.

I think he's WAY overrated and he's kind of an asshole.

I don't really care about Felton, but he's definitely not worth taking on Wallace's deal.</div>
The truth.
 
No way Charlotte does it. When VC was a FA coming off a good year they could have signed him, but MJ came out and trashed him saying something like it was "Fools Gold" or something like that I forget the actually quotes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jul 6 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way Charlotte does it. When VC was a FA coming off a good year they could have signed him, but MJ came out and trashed him saying something like it was "Fools Gold" or something like that I forget the actually quotes.</div>

Holy mixed GM's Batman

MJ may have trashed Vince in the past, but it was Orlando's GM that made the often taken out of context Fools Gold comment.
 
hahahaha Fenton. Silly boy, MS.



I've never heard either one of those rumors. In fact, I've heard more of the opposite - that the Nets don't want to move Vince and that Charlotte doesn't want to move "Fenton" and Wallace.

Thanks MS, for the rest of my life, I'm calling him Fenton.
 
Felton's is a great young point who i would love to have, but Gerald Wallace is a good player, but his contract runs past 2010.

Yes to the deal though because we get two relatively young players with a ton of skill and that would be a complete upgrade over the SF position and we could move Harris to SG and start Felton which would make our roster great.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Charlotte can keep Wallace and his terrible contract.

I think he's WAY overrated and he's kind of an asshole.

I don't really care about Felton, but he's definitely not worth taking on Wallace's deal.</div>

How's is Wallace's contract any worse than Carter's contract? Because Carter is the better player? Carter might be a better scorer still, I'm not even sure about that, but what else does he do better than Wallace? Wallace is considered a fairly good defender, right? Is Carter an amazing passer? Is it because Wallace's contract is so long? Carter's contract is only one year shorter, both go past the magic date of 2010, and Walllace's contract is much more reasonable in terms of salary IMO. To me, getting a better contract, easier to move if nothing else, and a good young PG who, at the very least, is another asset if he can't play with Harris, is a no brainer.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut @ Jul 6 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Charlotte can keep Wallace and his terrible contract.

I think he's WAY overrated and he's kind of an asshole.

I don't really care about Felton, but he's definitely not worth taking on Wallace's deal.</div>

How's is Wallace's contract any worse than Carter's contract? Because Carter is the better player? Carter might be a better scorer still, I'm not even sure about that, but what else does he do better than Wallace? Wallace is considered a fairly good defender, right? Is Carter an amazing passer? Is it because Wallace's contract is so long? Carter's contract is only one year shorter, both go past the magic date of 2010, and Walllace's contract is much more reasonable in terms of salary IMO. To me, getting a better contract, easier to move if nothing else, and a good young PG who, at the very least, is another asset if he can't play with Harris, is a no brainer.
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Carter actually is a very skilled passer and it's something he never really gets enough credit for.
 
In the past 4 seasons, Gerald Wallace has missed a total of 69 games, or more than 3/4 of a season. VC is a highly underrated passer, and Gerald Wallace is turnover prone. Wallace also cannot be a primary or secondary scorer. He's best suited as a third option, which would leave the Nets with NO primary scorers. I concur that Gerald Wallace is a better defender than VC, but in terms of value to the CURRENT Nets team, VC > Wallace + Felton.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut @ Jul 6 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 6 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Charlotte can keep Wallace and his terrible contract.

I think he's WAY overrated and he's kind of an asshole.

I don't really care about Felton, but he's definitely not worth taking on Wallace's deal.</div>

How's is Wallace's contract any worse than Carter's contract? Because Carter is the better player? Carter might be a better scorer still, I'm not even sure about that, but what else does he do better than Wallace? Wallace is considered a fairly good defender, right? Is Carter an amazing passer? Is it because Wallace's contract is so long? Carter's contract is only one year shorter, both go past the magic date of 2010, and Walllace's contract is much more reasonable in terms of salary IMO. To me, getting a better contract, easier to move if nothing else, and a good young PG who, at the very least, is another asset if he can't play with Harris, is a no brainer.
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Is trading Carter's bad contract for another bad contract the only option?

I'd rather they dump him for Wally than tie themselves up with Wallace for the next four years.

That is the kind of loser move that would make me very angry.
 
This threads title is misleading...
it would never happen anyway.

The only way we trade Vince is if we get expiring contracts, a young player with talent and/or draft picks...Vince will be here until at least the trade deadline...when his value will most likely be much more substantial than it is currently.
 
Jordan and Carter are UNC grads, and Charlotte might be a good place for selling a returning hometown hero story.

However, Felton is a UNC grad, too. Wallace is one helluva good player, regardless of him missing 20 games last season; I think you want him IF he's going to be healthy for playoffs.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that Felton is a good shooter. He's a decent scorer for a PG and a nice assist guy. On the short side, IMO.

http://www.charlotte.com/sports_breaking/story/690218.html

Bobcats: Felton is starter
Posted on Sat, Jun. 28, 2008

GM Higgins says drafting Augustin in first round isn't a sign of changing of guards.

Rick Bonnell
rbonnell@charlotteobserver.com

Charlotte Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins says drafting D.J. Augustin isn't intended to supplant Raymond Felton as the team's starting point guard.

Specifically, Higgins said, there's “no truth” to a report out of New York that the Bobcats might trade Felton to the Knicks for power forward David Lee.

The Bobcats used the ninth overall pick on Augustin, a 6-foot point guard out of Texas. Three years ago the Bobcats selected Felton with the fifth overall pick, but he's spent as much time at shooting guard as point guard while sharing the backcourt with Brevin Knight and Jeff McInnis.

Higgins said Augustin should be ready as a rookie to be the Bobcats' backup point guard, but there's no reason to assume he'd replace Felton as the starter next season.

“We don't think D.J. is going to come in right now and be the starting point guard,” Higgins said.

While Higgins dismissed talk of a Felton-to-Knicks trade, it's clear the Bobcats were in various trade discussions leading up to the draft.

Managing partner Michael Jordan confirmed Thursday that the team talked to the Toronto Raptors about a deal that could have swapped forward Gerald Wallace for point guard T.J. Ford.

That deal snagged when the Raptors also asked for a draft pick.

Higgins said Wallace shouldn't take offense at such talks, as it demonstrates his value around the league.

“It happens. Names come up,” Higgins said. “In some ways, that's a good thing” for the player.

Higgins said the choice of Augustin over Stanford center Brook Lopez with the ninth pick was “very close” – so close the Bobcats told Lopez's representatives Charlotte was strongly considering him.

Neither Augustin nor Lopez worked out for the Bobcats. Augustin said that was his agent's decision, adding he didn't know why no workout was set up here.

However, several of the teams he did audition for – the Los Angeles Clippers at No.7, the Indiana Pacers at No.11 and the Sacramento Kings at No.12 – each had a need for a young point guard.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jul 6 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This threads title is misleading...
it would never happen anyway.

The only way we trade Vince is if we get expiring contracts, a young player with talent and/or draft picks...Vince will be here until at least the trade deadline...when his value will most likely be much more substantial than it is currently.</div>



I agree 100% with this statement. Even though Wallace is a nice player... Im not even sure he is an upgrade compared to RJ. And Felton is an OK player. Only way we trade VC is for expiring contracts (2010) Young players and draft picks. Also Ive heard that Wallace is an asshole and has a piss poor attitude. So no. I'll pass even though it sounds temtping.
 
This trade idea is so bad I'm surprised anyone is taking it seriously. First of all, people are severely underrating Carter. He's an All-Star caliber player. His productivity is comparable to Paul Pierce, the best player on the NBA champs. Carter is no Michael Jordan, and he's not close in ability to Kobe Bryant. But his value is competitive with any other SG in the league.

Wallace and Felton are okay starters, but it's rarely a good idea to give up the best player in a trade. It can be when a player is close to leaving through free agency (like Kidd) or when the player does not give the team a better chance to win (Jefferson).

Carter is both a bulk scorer and unselfish. Surrounded by the right talent, he can be a piece of the puzzle for a winning team.

Carter is 31 years old. If the Nets exercise the option year of his contract, he'll be 35 when it ends. Barring injury, All-Star caliber guards tend to continue playing into their late thirties at a high level. I won't be surprised if Carter earns another big contract after this one.

Some seem to think the Nets are rebuilding and doomed to years in the lottery. So far Jefferson and Diop are gone, and Krstic and Nachbar may follow. Diop and Krstic could each bring something back through sign and trade deals. In each case, the players are leaving because management didn't want them anymore. Replacements have already been found for Diop and Krstic, although a starting SF is still needed to replace Jefferson.

How good will the Nets be next season? I see no reason they should be worse than last year. The should be a solid playoff team, especially if a solid starting SF like Nocioni is added.

Yes, the Nets are getting younger, but Carter is not too old to participate in their resurgence, and too good to give away without getting an elite player in return.
 
Both teams pass. Nets would do it if they were getting Felton and Wallace cheap past 2010, which they aren't. Bobcats don't want someone like Carter next to JRich.
 
I think most of you have Gerald Wallace wrong saying that he is an asshole, and overrated. He has always been great to the Charlotte fans and is the hardest working player on the court, his teammates love him and they consider him the leader of the Bobcats.

How is he overrated? I think he is underrated, he has not made an all star team even the year he had 2 blocks and 2 steals a game which hadnt happen in a long time. He is rarely mentioned as a great player, and has improved his PPG ever year in charlotte.
 
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