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hoopsjock said:
Of course he's not that old when you compare him to people his same age but the comparison is to Drummond not Aldridge and Horford. BTW, the Horford signing isn't looking good.
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My point is if a team hesitates on paying him, it won’t be because of his age.

And personally, I don’t think Whitesides production will have much of a drop within the frame of a four year contract, just like I don’t believe Drummond will get much better than he is now.
 
Scalma said:
the list of players he would trade CJ for is a lot shorter than it should be. It probably looks something like this:

LeBron
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Look, when 29 other teams stop being jealous of our backcourt leading us to 8 games under .500, then maybe the options will expand.
 
Scalma said:
Evidently multiple teams are interested in signing Kenny Wooten (yeah, the Oregon guy) to a 10 day. He’s averaging 3.5 bpg and is one of, if not the best defender in the g league. 6’9 230 with a 7’2” wingspan.

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To me it's essential to get rid of Baze and Hassan for a strong-ass man of a wing in the 15M+ a year range + solid backup big + expiring contract (?). No, I don't know how you work that and with who either. But it's possible a team trying to make a deep playoff run would want Hassan, especially because the Lakers are huge down low and hard to match in size. Any contender would love to have Hassan I think, but what would such a team be willing to give up?
 
In a salary cap league, every dollar you over-pay for a player lowers their value. Blazers aren't the only team that struggles with that concept, but they are certainly on the list. Now that the boys of '16 are mostly gone, CJ is our worst offender. That's reason 1 he has less trade value than some people think. Reason 2 is that his game wouldn't fit with some teams/coaches. Amazingly enough, not everybody around the league would be over-joyed by a no defense/me first offense team-mate!
 
Wooten signed by NYK. They waived Rabb, who now becomes an option for us.
 
oldmangrouch said:
In a salary cap league, every dollar you over-pay for a player lowers their value. Blazers aren't the only team that struggles with that concept, but they are certainly on the list. Now that the boys of '16 are mostly gone, CJ is our worst offender. That's reason 1 he has less trade value than some people think. Reason 2 is that his game wouldn't fit with some teams/coaches. Amazingly enough, not everybody around the league would be over-joyed by a no defense/me first offense team-mate!
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How do you know what McCollum's trade value is?
 
CupWizier said:
How do you know what McCollum's trade value is?
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Who here "knows" anything?:dunno:

This is a sports forum, not a psychic hotline. I presented an argument why I believe he is being over-valued as a trade asset. Rather than refuting my argument, this comes across as just telling me to shutup. Kind of defeats the purpose of the forum, doesn't it?
 
oldmangrouch said:
In a salary cap league, every dollar you over-pay for a player lowers their value. Blazers aren't the only team that struggles with that concept, but they are certainly on the list. Now that the boys of '16 are mostly gone, CJ is our worst offender. That's reason 1 he has less trade value than some people think. Reason 2 is that his game wouldn't fit with some teams/coaches. Amazingly enough, not everybody around the league would be over-joyed by a no defense/me first offense team-mate!
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I still think based off CJ's numbers when Dame doesn't play there would be teams that still think he'd be better if he was the lead guard on a different team.
 
Today's trade scenario gets the Blazers under the salary cap, and gives them a $19.3M traded-player exception! (inspired by
@hoopsjock)
POR Gets: Otto Porter, Cris Felicio, 2020 CHI 2nd
CHI Gets: Bazemore, Marvin Williams, MKG
CHA Gets: Whiteside, Gary Trent, Ryan Arcidiacano

Chicago does it because they get expiring contracts for not only Otto Porter, but also Cris Felicio (who is on a 2-year contract making $7M a year). That's $35M in savings this off-season.

Charlotte does it because they get a good starting C for essentially nothing. They likely try to flip Biyombo or Zeller for a PF, or they may move Zeller over to PF.

Portland does it because they get under the luxury tax after this move. They could sign a min contract rookie (Hoard?) and still remain under the tax. They also get Porter and would have apx. $35M in expirings next year between Porter and Felicio, along with a $19.3M TPE.

Some things the TPE would allow POR could do this summer:
- Combination trades like Felicio & Little for Covington & Dieng (TPE)
- Absorb Fournier, Randle, Covington or Dieng (separately), etc.
- Sign-And-Trade for someone making up to $19.3M (Would hard cap us at apx $145M, so this might be tough unless we get creative)

Neil needs to be creative and create assets for next season. It'd be terrific to possibly go into the off-season with some combination of:
- $35M in expiring contracts
- $19.3M traded player exception
- $6M or $9.8M MLE
- A good 3-&-D forward

We'd have multiple options this off-season after getting under the tax without losing Bazemore's and Whiteside's expiring contracts for nothing. Neil needs to get creative.
 
BonesJones said:
Today's trade scenario gets the Blazers under the salary cap, and gives them a $19.3M traded-player exception! (inspired by
@hoopsjock)
POR Gets: Otto Porter, Cris Felicio, 2020 CHI 2nd
CHI Gets: Bazemore, Marvin Williams, MKG
CHA Gets: Whiteside, Gary Trent, Ryan Arcidiacano

Chicago does it because they get expiring contracts for not only Otto Porter, but also Cris Felicio (who is on a 2-year contract making $7M a year). That's $35M in savings this off-season.

Charlotte does it because they get a good starting C for essentially nothing. They likely try to flip Biyombo or Zeller for a PF, or they may move Zeller over to PF.

Portland does it because they get under the luxury tax after this move. They could sign a min contract rookie (Hoard?) and still remain under the tax. They also get Porter and would have apx. $35M in expirings next year between Porter and Felicio, along with a $19.3M TPE.

Some things the TPE would allow POR could do this summer:
- Combination trades like Felicio & Little for Covington & Dieng (TPE)
- Absorb Fournier, Randle, Covington or Dieng (separately), etc.
- Sign-And-Trade for someone making up to $19.3M (Would hard cap us at apx $145M, so this might be tough unless we get creative)

Neil needs to be creative and create assets for next season. It'd be terrific to possibly go into the off-season with some combination of:
- $35M in expiring contracts
- $19.3M traded player exception
- $6M or $9.8M MLE
- A good 3-&-D forward

We'd have multiple options this off-season after getting under the tax without losing Bazemore's and Whiteside's expiring contracts for nothing. Neil needs to get creative.
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Your math is a little off. We'd still be about $1.3 million over the tax line. That's why I had Felicio going to Dallas in mine.

Edit: Plus we'd have to sign someone as the 14th roster spot.

2nd Edit: Both of our math is a little off (I was going off what I thought was the right number but was about $1.1 million off so it would be close but like I said we'd still have to sign another player to make up for the roster spots.
 
hoopsjock said:
Your math is a little off. We'd still be about $1.3 million over the tax line. That's why I had Felicio going to Dallas in mine.

Edit: Plus we'd have to sign someone as the 14th roster spot.
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ESPN Trade Machine has us at $11.34M over and we shed apx. $12.8M in that trade, so then we could sign someone for the minimum and remain under.

Unless the Trade Machine lied to me.
 
BonesJones said:
ESPN Trade Machine has us at $11.34M over and we shed apx. $12.8M in that trade, so then we could sign someone for the minimum and remain under.

Unless the Trade Machine lied to me.
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It did. I never go by the ESPN trade machine because it has so many errors.

We're $12,590,644 over the cap.
 
BonesJones said:
ESPN Trade Machine has us at $11.34M over and we shed apx. $12.8M in that trade, so then we could sign someone for the minimum and remain under.

Unless the Trade Machine lied to me.
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Checked Spotrac. Yeah the Trade Machine has a false number.

I wonder if moving Tolliver and Hezonja and signing rookie min's would get us under.
 
BonesJones said:
Spotrac says $13.7M
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Spotrac has Gasol's full salary as dead money. It should be pro-rated to $463,684 not the full $1.6 million.

So my original statement that we'd still be a couple hundred thousand over the cap was correct.
 
BonesJones said:
Checked Spotrac. Yeah the Trade Machine has a false number.

I wonder if moving Tolliver and Hezonja and signing rookie min's would get us under.
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Contracts the rest of the year are pro-rated now too so yeah that would do it.
 
Blazers and Celtics trade: Heyward and Kanter for Whiteside and Bazemore works.
 
Ivan Rabb was waived today. He’s been talked about before on here. He’s top 10 in the g league in all rebounding categories as well as defensive rating. He flashes as a shooter and can score inside. 6’10 with length and why am I even bothering Neil ain’t doing shit.
 
James lamphear said:
I like rabb coming out of college but seems struggling at this level. But believe we already have Rabb type player that Hoard.
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Rabb might be skinny, but how are you confusing a C (Rabb) with a SF (Hoard)? Totally different players.
 
Scalma said:
Ivan Rabb was waived today. He’s been talked about before on here. He’s top 10 in the g league in all rebounding categories as well as defensive rating. He flashes as a shooter and can score inside. 6’10 with length and why am I even bothering Neil ain’t doing shit.
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Did you read before posting...?
 
These are the names I'd target with Whiteside/Bazemore/protected picks/Little/Trent as our trade pieces. All guys with a year or two left on their respective deals who I think would help the team without destroying our long, long term flexibility. Nearly all of them have player options in the summer, which they might or might not take.

- Gordon Hayward -- 33 mil
- Andre Drummond -- 28 mil
- Otto Porter -- 27 mil
- Aaron Gordon -- 20 mil
- Gorgui Dieng -- 16 mil
- Kelly Oubre -- 16 mil, with a ridiculous declining contract. Would have to throw in Simons prolly to get him
- James Johnson- 15 mil
- Bobby Portis -- 15 mil; team option for the summer.
- Thad Young -- 13 mil
- Joe Ingles - 12 mil
- Robert Covington - 11 mil

Something like this, with some heavily protected picks going Boston's way maybe. Gets us a good backup big on contract for next year to use in future trades and our mainstay starting SF/PF who will undoubtedly exercise his option (34 mil) to stay next season. It gets BOS out of the Hayward deal a year early and some young assets. And Minny saves a year off Dieng's deal. At the worst, we kick the can down a year and still have contracts to move in a trade.

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illmatic99 said:
These are the names I'd target with Whiteside/Bazemore/protected picks/Little/Trent as our trade pieces. All guys with a year or two left on the deal who I think would help the team without destroying our long, long term flexibility. Nearly all of them have player options in the summer, which they might or might not take.

- Gordon Hayward -- 33 mil
- Andre Drummond -- 28 mil
- Otto Porter -- 27 mil
- Aaron Gordon -- 20 mil
- Gorgui Dieng -- 16 mil
- Kelly Oubre -- 16 mil, with a ridiculous declining contract. Would have to throw in Simons prolly to get him
- James Johnson- 15 mil
- Bobby Portis -- 15 mil; team option for the summer.
- Thad Young -- 13 mil
- Joe Ingles - 12 mil
- Robert Covington - 11 mil

Something like this, with some heavily protected picks going Boston's way maybe. Gets us a good backup big on contract for next year to use in future trades and our mainstay starting SF/PF who will undoubtedly exercise his option (34 mil) to stay next season. It gets BOS out of the Hayward deal a year early and some young assets. And Minny saves a year off Dieng's deal.

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I think Boston would have strong interest in Whiteside. He's better than Kanter and they are championship contenders.
 
A Hayward/Whiteside scenario seems pretty fair to me, assuming Olshey can find another big somewhere else. Tyson Chandler could probably be had for the Hood DPE. But yeah that trade would fit both teams needs.
 
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