Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season

[tester551]

he was the only one on the team with a non guaranteed contract. It’s pretty simple.

As for the progress, he set career highs in PER, TS %, Rebound %, Block %, ASSIST %, DBPM, and BPM. If that isn’t real progress, I don’t know what is.

But if he was better than Lee, he wouldn't have been cut at all. They would've just stood pat.

I don't know if he will stick in the NBA or not, but it's certainly not going to make the Blazers worse to see what he can do. Who knows maybe he fits really well and becomes somewhat of another cast off that works well for Portland. Not sure what they lose by trying.

Agree there. Portland has an open roster spot & needs a big. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel - so ahead & take a flyer on him.

 

[Scalma]

But if he was better than Lee, he wouldn't have been cut at all. They would've just stood pat.


Agree there. Portland has an open roster spot & needs a big. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel - so ahead & take a flyer on him.

The difference between Lee and Chriss is Golden State now controls Lee beyond this season, while Chriss is headed for unrestricted free agency. It’s the same reason they’ll probably dump one of Burks/Robinson once they need to make room for Bowman.

 

[wizenheimer]

Agree there. Portland has an open roster spot & needs a big. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel - so ahead & take a flyer on him.

CBA experts....does Portland only have 1 open slot? 14 players counting Hood (unless I'm missing somebody), but Portland was granted an injury exception for Hood. Does that essentially mean 2 open slots?

 

[Scalma]

I just don’t wanna watch Anthony Tolliver “play” center anymore ok please?

 

[tester551]

CBA experts....does Portland only have 1 open slot? 14 players counting Hood (unless I'm missing somebody), but Portland was granted an injury exception for Hood. Does that essentially mean 2 open slots?

15 is the roster limit, except for short periods with special approval.

You can have 16 if you have at least 4 players who have missed three consecutive games and will continue to miss time. Soon as you have 3 or less injured players, you have to go back to 15.

Portland could sign 2 players right now with Nurk, Collins, Hood, Skal all being out. If/when Nurk & Skal come back, Portland would have to be back to 15 roster spots.

 

[hoopsjock]

15 is the roster limit, except for short periods with special approval.

You can have 16 if you have at least 4 players who have missed three consecutive games and will continue to miss time. Soon as you have 3 or less injured players, you have to go back to 15.

Portland could sign 2 players right now with Nurk, Collins, Hood, Skal all being out. If/when Nurk & Skal come back, Portland would have to be back to 15 roster spots.

Are you sure about this? I might be wrong but I thought they changed this in the last CBA to essentially the DPE taking the roster spot of the injured player?

 

[hoopsjock]

15 is the roster limit, except for short periods with special approval.

You can have 16 if you have at least 4 players who have missed three consecutive games and will continue to miss time. Soon as you have 3 or less injured players, you have to go back to 15.

Portland could sign 2 players right now with Nurk, Collins, Hood, Skal all being out. If/when Nurk & Skal come back, Portland would have to be back to 15 roster spots.

Okay, you're right, my bad!

The DPE is an exception for bringing in salary you wouldn't normally be able to, not just a roster spot.

 

[Scalma]

Tyson Chandler barely plays for Houston, is cheap, and knows Stotts system. He still grades out positively defensively and can rebound.

 

[Scalma]

Tolliver has a rebounding % of 8.7. Among wings and bigs on the roster, only Bazemore has a lower percentage. His block percentage meanwhile is lower than McCollums. All good though, don’t need another big.

 

[wizenheimer]

Tolliver has a rebounding % of 8.7. Among wings and bigs on the roster, only Bazemore has a lower percentage. His block percentage meanwhile is lower than McCollums. All good though, don’t need another big.

maybe they are waiting for the results of Skal's 2nd MRI so they know what type of big they need? Maybe Nurkic is getting closer to a return? Maybe it's a subtle tank?

 

[Scalma]

I still think Julius Randle would fit in Portland. He’s still owed roughly $23M after this season if his option for ‘21-22 isn’t picked up. Love is a better player but Randle is younger, cheaper, can crash the boards, score inside, pass the ball, and has shown potential as a shooter. If we could get him for Bazemore and a pick, I think we should consider it.

 

[Scalma]

 

[GDiama]

I still think Julius Randle would fit in Portland. He’s still owed roughly $23M after this season if his option for ‘21-22 isn’t picked up. Love is a better player but Randle is younger, cheaper, can crash the boards, score inside, pass the ball, and has shown potential as a shooter. If we could get him for Bazemore and a pick, I think we should consider it.

He has been so bad this year though. I also think he doesn't fit very well next to Nurk although he has offensive potential.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Tyson Chandler barely plays for Houston, is cheap, and knows Stotts system. He still grades out positively defensively and can rebound.

Houston would probably ask for Little.

 

[B-Roy]

Tolliver has a rebounding % of 8.7. Among wings and bigs on the roster, only Bazemore has a lower percentage. His block percentage meanwhile is lower than McCollums. All good though, don’t need another big.

The thing I noticed about Tolliver at center, he seems pretty good at defending intial actions. On the pick and roll, he gets out and then gets back to his man relatively well. The problem is the Blazers can never secure a defensive rebound when he's playing the pivot. What's the point of forcing a miss if the opposition is just going to get an easy putback?

 

[Scalma]

What a concept

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[wizenheimer]

What a concept

I'll just about use any opportunity to bash Olshey, but he did use that concept last season with Hood and Kanter

 

[Scalma]

I'll just about use any opportunity to bash Olshey, but he did use that concept last season with Hood and Kanter

Good, do it again.

 

[hoopsjock]

Good, do it again.

By waiting this long Olshey pretty much has to do something similar or else he literally did nothing to salvage a season in which there were multiple injuries to one position.

 

[Scalma]

By waiting this long Olshey pretty much has to do something similar or else he literally did nothing to salvage a season in which there were multiple injuries to one position.

The only explanation at this point is Nurks return is imminent, and even then I don’t see why he wouldn’t at least sign someone to a ten day. Pretty sure Chriss has just cleared waivers as well. That’d be a perfect candidate. Or someone like Deyonta Davis. Fucking anyone would be an upgrade over Tolliver at center.

 

[tester551]

The only explanation at this point is Nurks return is imminent, and even then I don’t see why he wouldn’t at least sign someone to a ten day. Pretty sure Chriss has just cleared waivers as well. That’d be a perfect candidate. Or someone like Deyonta Davis. Fucking anyone would be an upgrade over Tolliver at center.

That's not the only explanation.

A very real possibility is Jody has instructed NO that he cannot increase the team's salary any further. That would limit his ability to sign 10-day contracts & gives a justifiable reason why the team has kept the open roster spot(s) despite the number of injuries.

Remember, with Nurk, Collins, Hood, & Skal all being out - Portland could've temporarily signed a 15th & 16th player to the active roster. Instead they've kept it at 14 players - which leaves Portland with only 9-10 healthy players every game.

 

[Scalma]

That's not the only explanation.

A very real possibility is Jody has instructed NO that he cannot increase the team's salary any further. That would limit his ability to sign 10-day contracts & gives a justifiable reason why the team has kept the open roster spot(s) despite the number of injuries.

Remember, with Nurk, Collins, Hood, & Skal all being out - Portland could've temporarily signed a 15th & 16th player to the active roster. Instead they've kept it at 14 players - which leaves Portland with only 9-10 healthy players every game.

A ten day contract is so minimal I find that hard to believe.

 

[wizenheimer]

A ten day contract is so minimal I find that hard to believe.

it's minimal only if the player is on the team the max 10-days (and what good what that do?). If he's on for the rest of the season, it could be an additional 2-3M in tax

 

[tester551]

A ten day contract is so minimal I find that hard to believe.

"Minimal" is a relative term...

A 10-day contract is around $50k. With where the Blazers are in the tax structure, it would cost them ~$220k for someone to join the team.

To sign a vet minimum for the rest of the year (~$600k) would cost the Blazers around $2.6M accounting for the taxes.

Understandably, that is a small percentage of the Blazer's total payroll. However, that is a LOT of money... especially for a fringe NBA player who likely doesn't significantly change the W/L columns.

 

[Scalma]

"Minimal" is a relative term...

A 10-day contract is around $50k. With where the Blazers are in the tax structure, it would cost them ~$220k for someone to join the team.

To sign a vet minimum for the rest of the year (~$600k) would cost the Blazers around $2.6M accounting for the taxes.

Understandably, that is a small percentage of the Blazer's total payroll. However, that is a LOT of money... especially for a fringe NBA player who likely doesn't significantly change the W/L columns.

Considering how bad Tolliver has been at center, a guy like Chriss could be the difference between a win and a loss. Most the losses can be pinned on the bench’s inability to hold or maintain leads that the starters have given them, and the majority of the blame can fall on their complete inability to rebound the ball. In the last five games without Skal, Portland’s bench ranks last in the NBA in rebounding (along with scoring) So while a ten day guy may seem like a waste of money and time, it really wouldn’t be.

 

[hoopsjock]

One thing that doesn't make sense to me about waiting for the buyout market to use the extra roster spot is that Olshey has said he wasn't going to make decisions based on just this season. Signing someone in the buyout market doesn't give you bird rights to that player so it usually leads to that player leaving the following season, like Kanter last year. Add to that the unknown of who will even be bought out and then which of those would even consider Portland in their current state.

This is why @tester551 is probably on to something about the financial part of using the roster spot. It's also why a 2 for 1 trade like Covington and Dieng for Whiteside makes way too much sense because it adds an extra player without changing the cap number.

 

[Shaboid]

One thing that doesn't make sense to me about waiting for the buyout market to use the extra roster spot is that Olshey has said he wasn't going to make decisions based on just this season. Signing someone in the buyout market doesn't give you bird rights to that player so it usually leads to that player leaving the following season, like Kanter last year. Add to that the unknown of who will even be bought out and then which of those would even consider Portland in their current state.

This is why @tester551 is probably on to something about the financial part of using the roster spot. It's also why a 2 for 1 trade like Covington and Dieng for Whiteside makes way too much sense because it adds an extra player without changing the cap number.

Can you sign a player to a multi-year contract on the buy out market?

 

[hoopsjock]

I started doing videos for Blazers Uprise about trade rumors and talking about trade suggestions people have had on there if anyone is interested in watching/listening:

 

[hoopsjock]

Can you sign a player to a multi-year contract on the buy out market?

Technically yes, but if the Blazers use the Hood DPE no. If they don't use it the player they sign we would only have the minimum to offer that player so the likelihood they signed a multi year deal for the minimum is pretty low.