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I do not think Yandle is a difference maker, we disagree there. He looks like a decent 2nd pair LD...not a difference maker. And yeah with Staal here he is not needed...or at least one is not needed. I believe we all agree that Staal would be the guy we'd move, but not sure that is doable given the NTC.

I also wonder if they will just let Yandle play out and walk for nothing this summer as you suggest. They have hinted they would do that and this isn't Cally or Zucc or Staal, but I really wonder if they would risk that.

We'll see I guess...unless they can move Staal, which we all agree would be ideal.

Edit to add I do think at least on some level that would be a reflection on the trade Prod. Not a direct line we didn't win so trade is bad, but certainly on some level us not winning in his 2 years here is a reflection on the trade given that we gave up DuClair and a 1st for him.
 
For Staal to move, he needs to waive the NTC. The only reason I'd ever see him waiving is to play with his brothers. Otherwise why would he leave? I'm hoping (praying) some team out there plans on having a Staal reunion next year. Come on Toronto you know you want them...
 
Have to agree with Prodigy on Yandle, that while he hasn't been great, you 100% had to make that move last year. And giving up Duclair and a late late 1st was not too much for someone adding that missing element they clearly don't have. Has he made some egrigious TO's that make you cringe, yes, but that's what you live with his type. And at a 2.6 cap hit it's even more a must deal. They definately should look to bring him back, otherwise who do have going forward thats a puck mover/playmaker of his type?Skjei? He will be but solid isn't on Yandle's O level. It's Staal/Girardi and even some degree RMc who are hampering things..twofold with the deals they have as well. I said it when Girardi was re-signed but many here scoffed at me.
 
Respect your opinions on the Yandle deal, but to me it has clearly not worked out. And now as we stare at Yandle being an RFA this summer, and no shot we can have him and Staal here, it looks bleak on that deal working out.

We'll see though...hopefully things will get better with Yandle here and we can somehow get Staal to agree to be moved. I know you are a huge crazy Yandle fan 71, but real is real and he is not a difference maker IMO. And no shot we can have Staal and Yandle here, so not even worth discussing.
 
Now McDonagh is obviously worth this contract, but Girardi is someone i though should've been allowed to walk and been replaced with someone a little younger or at a cheaper/shorter term. What have we gotten, one year of him on this deal and now he looks like he's 40? I thought the Staal resigning was better but that's looking more awful by the day too.
 
Yandle trade had to be made because up until that point we had no offensive-minded, puck moving defenseman and we had said that here for a long time. Yandle fit a big need on this team and just because we're on a losing streak in December does not make it a bad trade. I
 
It's not really about being a Yandle fan, as i like dude as a player, but it's about needing someone that like that in your D corps. If they had another young player who could step in do those things i'd say let him go, but who?McDonagh dosen't have that offensive sense and makes plenty of boneheaded decisions himself. I agree it will be tough to keep him with the paperweights we have now in #s 5/18.
 
I don't know, McDonagh has two less points. Yandle refuses to shoot the puck and has all of ONE GOAL. Boyle is up to 4 goals and 11 points.

Not sure what to say here other than nothing I have seen says Yandle is a difference maker. I think based on his 80 or so games with the Rangers it is clear he is not a difference maker. But again we can agree to disagree on that one. He certainly could get better, but to me the only shot that happens is if Staal is moved and he plays top 4 minutes.

He is also the only - dman on the team, for what that's worth.

Yandle is not nearly as good as I hoped he would be when we traded for him last season. If you guys think he is what you expected...that is cool. I have been underwhelmed by what he has added.
 
I also think the Staal resigning is much worse than the Girardi resigning. I think the latter will work out. I think Staal will not, double so when we added another LD in Yandle.
 
chuckd3534 said:
I don't know, McDonagh has two less points. Yandle refuses to shoot the puck and has all of ONE GOAL. Boyle is up to 4 goals and 11 points.
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chuckd3534 said:
He is also the only - dman on the team, for what that's worth.
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Yandle leads the team in assists. Nobody else within 4. Not sure why you're saying he refuses to shoot, he's second on the entire team in SOG, behind only Nash and well ahead of the rest of the defenseman. His shooting % is down from his career but hopefully that evens out and he gets a few more goals here. He's also not exactly getting blown out of the water in plus minus: he's a minus one, while the rest of the regular dmen are in single digit positive (Klein is +11 but has missed these last few massacres). I also saw a stat last week (not sure if it's still true) that he lead the ENTIRE NHL in power play points per 60 mins of power play time played. Which is another knock on AV: why the hell is this guy not on the first unit.

I think you just have slightly unrealistic expectations Chuck. This guy is good, and we need to keep him.
 
And I want to keep him...I have said that many times. I also know we cannot keep him with Staal here. If I were king of the world I would deal Staal in a second to keep Yandle.

With that said, he has 1 goal. And I also know McD has two less points. Boyle has also been the better PP player this year IMO. He has been on ice for 8 of our last 9 PPG's I believe,

Trade Staal and we can keep Yandle...I am 100000000000000000000% on board with that.

This is not an I hate Yandle thing, I am a big Yandle fan and want him here. This is a we can't keep him with Staal here and I do not think he is a difference maker. He is a solid 2nd pair LD who is good on the PP. I don't think that equals difference maker, but intelligent people can disagree...:).
 
theProdigy223 said:
I was at the game last night, I didnt get to read the pregame stuff about lines. When I saw Glass trot out there with Zucc I almost threw up my 10 dollar pretzel.
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LMAO and you probably wasn't the only one I'll bet
 
Still think we'll be fine and too early to panic. lets get klein back and another game or 2 for step. Still 3rd in conference in points. Expect Gorton to move around a piece or 2 soon to change things up a little. More worried that when girardi and klein comes back Dickhead AV sits dylan who has been our best RD since Klein got hurt. Still amazed AV put zucc on a line with glass.
 
Agree, Mel. This team will be fine in the long run. We definitely need some fine tuning but these players did not suddenly forget how to play hockey and the last few games does not suddenly mean every trade made the past 2yrs is bad.
 
And I agree as well mel as I said. I do think we need a move to wake up this stale team, but I 100% agree we'll be fine and fully believe in this team still.

And for you 31...who clearly posts just to get me fired up you are a joke man...Yandle has played 80 games with us +/-. He does not appear to be a difference maker to me. He is a nice player. A solid 2nd pair LD. A guy I clearly want here over Staal, but I do not think he has proven worthy of what we gave up for him. That's it. People can disagree, but to me he has not proven worthy at all. DOUBLE SO when we cannot keep him unless we deal Staal.

So for 1.5 years of Yandle, who to me is not a difference maker, that was not a good deal IMO. That's it.
 
With boyle's contract up wouldnt we be able to use that money to add to yandel cyrrent salary...wouldnt that be something like 6.4m cap..we could afford that

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You have to pay Hayes, Kreider, Miller and McIlrath as RFA's. Good thing 3 of them are having crap seasons.
 
Dump is right, PLUS you simply cannot have McD, Staal, G, AND Yandle all locked up long term with AAV's over 4.7 per season. That is way too much money spent on the D in a cap world. And you pay that much for Yandle to be your 3rd pair LD...no good.

To me it is very simple. Staal or Yandle cannot be here next year...no shot. I pray they find a way to deal Staal so we can keep Yandle.
 
Unfortunate that the Rangers don't understand that they are a first class organization in the eyes of players in the league and stop giving out these idiotic NTC's which they don't need to do.
 
I still think the play is to get Staal to give you a list of teams he'd okay a deal to, package him with Hayes, and go after a forward upgrade that is proven and we can count on to be gritty and score those tough goals...hopefully a R shot.

I am also very interested to see who gets scratched next week assuming G and Klein are ready. Shouldn't be McIlrath or Boyle. Go 7 dmen.
 
I think Yandle is the one getting traded. The fact that AV doesn't use him much on the PP, doesn't give him a second on PK and instead gives it to summers who sucks and consistently gives him less minutes on the ice tells me AV doesn't value Yandle as much as he does staal. Wish I was wrong but thats what AV's actions signal to me.
 
Agreed mel. The PP has been doing well I must say. Boyle has been the key cog on the PP...surprisingly.
 
I would scratch 5m Marc Staal, as i think he's making it a very easy decision. Great value in that contract so far huh? :)
 
He's been pretty good but it's been 20g, maybe we can wait a little longer to say he's a surefire thing no?
 
Ranger71 said:
He's been pretty good but it's been 20g, maybe we can wait a little longer to say he's a surefire thing no?
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Well either this is some excellent sarcasm, or you have apparently forgotten that you declared McIlrath a bust after THREE GAMES and posted about trading him for a fourth round pick just one month ago.

I brought this up because, other than Yandle, I dont think you've ever posted anything positive about any defenseman this team has had. Even when McIlrath has been playing great the past month it has been radio silence from the biggest defensive critic on the board. The latest target du jour, now that Girardi is hurt, is Staal. Yeah he sucks so far this year and yeah I'd love to be able to trade him, but there's a reason every analyst said if he hit FA he was easily a 6m dollar player. He will get better.
 
I'm not so sure Staal will get all that much better going forward, he's only becoming more timid as he gets into his 30's and just dosen't look like a proactive player anymore. And i have always liked Klein since he got here. I've been critical of Yandle at times too. On Mcilrath i wouldn't say he's been 'great', but compared to the buffonery from the vets and what i thought he'd be its been a nice surprise.
 
If they could deal Staal or Girardi for a salary dump and get back picks, it would open up a world of possibilities. However, they have to agree to that. I don't think they would. I think their NTC's are limited after year 3 of their contracts.
 
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