Predict the Blazers trade deadline

[Scalma]

Here's another Miami trade, although just with us and them.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zaq3jtc

Blazers get Justice Winslow (Haslem, Birdman, McBob contracts)
Heat get Plumlee, Hendo, Crabbe

Gives the Heat luxury tax relief including McBob's 3 year overpaid contract. They still have Whiteside to keep or package in another trade. They lose the young Winslow but gain a vet more ready to contribute now in Hendo; but also a promising young wing in Crabbe. Crabbe is 23 and more able to complement the current Heat core than young Winslow. Heat would have Crabbe's bird rights. They get Plumlee on a cheap contract to ease their payroll issues this season and next.

Blazers get the best young long term prospect in the trade in 19 year old Winslow who has 3 more years on a cheap rookie deal. Blazers depth chart is;

Davis, Meyers
Vonleh
Aminu, Harkless
CJ, Winslow
Dame

I'd do that.

 

[MightyMouseOps1]

Here's another Miami trade, although just with us and them.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zaq3jtc

Blazers get Justice Winslow (Haslem, Birdman, McBob contracts)
Heat get Plumlee, Hendo, Crabbe

Gives the Heat luxury tax relief including McBob's 3 year overpaid contract. They still have Whiteside to keep or package in another trade. They lose the young Winslow but gain a vet more ready to contribute now in Hendo; but also a promising young wing in Crabbe. Crabbe is 23 and more able to complement the current Heat core than young Winslow. Heat would have Crabbe's bird rights. They get Plumlee on a cheap contract to ease their payroll issues this season and next.

Blazers get the best young long term prospect in the trade in 19 year old Winslow who has 3 more years on a cheap rookie deal. Blazers depth chart is;

Davis, Meyers
Vonleh
Aminu, Harkless
CJ, Winslow
Dame

We are left with poor bench scoring if we do this trade. Winslow has struggled shooting the ball and Haslem and bird man are finished. I am fully against this trade although I do think Winslow has high upside long term.

 

[MightyMouseOps1]

Here's another idea. Greg Monroe hasn't fit in Milwaukee. With Giannis and MCW they need a big man who can shoot. Blazers had a lot of interest in Monroe; he is also locked into a contract that won't go up this summer. His contract only costs $9 million in cap room more than Meyers cap hold so the Blazers would still have max cap space. Heat want to get out of repeater luxury tax and may give up Whiteside to do it. This gives them a replacement they have bird rights with.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zrn3a6u

Blazers get Monroe, (Birdman + Haslem contracts)
Bucks get Whiteside, Meyers, (Kaman contract)
Heat get Miles Plumlee

Miles Plumlee would not be enough for the Heat to trade Whiteside. I would not mind Monroe but the Bucks make out like bandits in this deal and the heat get totally ripped off.

 

[jlprk]

You guys undervalue Plumlee, our starting PF next season. Also, why would Atlanta do this:

Trade #2 see on ESPN trade machine:
PDX get Blake Griffin
LAC get Al Horford, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefolosha
ATL get Chris Kaman, Meyers Leonard, Mo Harkless, Noah Vonleh, Allen Crabbe, top10 protected 2019 Blazers first round pick.

 

[jlprk]

Zach Lowe's latest:

Portland Trail Blazers: The Blazers are being pulled in opposite directions. They are way ahead of schedule at 27-27, to the point that Neil Olshey, the team's deal-makin' GM, might pivot into "buy" mode if he finds a young-ish player who fits the timeline of Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. The Blazers have pursued Monroe before, and despite Milwaukee striking a strong pose in some talks, Monroe could be had if some suitor tosses in a decent first-round pick.

Portland has $20 million in cap room to play with, plus two restricted free agents -- Allen Crabbe and Meyers Leonard -- due big raises under the skyrocketing cap. Teams queasy about paying their restricted free agents ditched them at least season's deadline, when Brandon Knight, Reggie Jackson and Enes Kanter flew around the league.

The Blazers are high on Crabbe, but Leonard's asking price in preseason extension talks gave them sticker shock. (The restricted free-agency thing is yet another reason to keep an eye on Boston, with both Jared Sullinger and Tyler Zeller ticking toward it).

Alas, the Blazers owe their pick to Denver if they make the playoffs, and given Olshey's draft record, he might prefer to keep it. My best guess: Portland avoids an upgrade, uses its space to nab a couple of extra second-rounders and resumes its pursuit of Monroe -- or someone else -- around draft time.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14783975/the-nba-trade-deadline-full-big-names-cap-questions

 

[Pinwheel1]

Miles Plumlee would not be enough for the Heat to trade Whiteside. .

if Miami loses Bosh for the rest of the season...they are going no where. And if they don't like Whiteside and don't plan on re-signing him, an hour before the deadline I am guessing they will take less than Mason Plumlee for him.

The question I have is if Pat Riley is not interested in paying Whiteside this summer, then should we? I guess one can make an argument that he is clearing cap space for Durant but my guess he just doesn't like him very much.

I think many are under selling Plumlee. He may not be a star, but he fills a need for a number of teams because he a big with some skills. He can actually run, dribble and pass (and probably chew gum) all at the same time. I hate giving up on him too early but I bet he is an attractive asset for teams looking to make a trade. I acknowledge he is not the best defensive center out there, but there is no reason why he can't improve that area of his game.

 

[tester551]

The issue that Miami has with Whiteside is not that they don't WANT to keep him - it's that with their current cap situation it would take a huge effort to be able to keep him.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Let's say our goodbyes to Mayers Damage!
No way Neil is paying him that 60M for 5 years or whatever the fuck other teams will bait him into paying.

Mayers,Kaveman and PAT for a a big expiring contract and a 20-ish draft pick.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Clean and simple:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hk5y74v

^BKN saves money and get young talent, I'd throw Harkless in there if it closes the deal.

The trade that i like less but would heavily consider:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jo7occj

^We act as a big money dump for players who won't get Orlando very far but will help our current stars win more games.
(and before you talk smack about Harris' stats this year, just think about Skiles Vs Stotts in terms of getting better offensive stats and even more rebounds).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You guys undervalue Plumlee, our starting PF next season.

The more I think about this, the more sense it makes. But who do you envision starting at center?

 

[Pinwheel1]

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(and before you talk smack about Harris' stats this year, just think about Skiles Vs Stotts in terms of getting better offensive stats and even more rebounds).[/QUOTE]

Are you sure he is not overrated? Last year is the only year he shot 36% from deep. The rest of the time he has shot low 30's.
Can't Harkless do that?

 

[Blazers Roy]

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Are you sure he is not overrated? Last year is the only year he shot 36% from deep. The rest of the time he has shot low 30's.
Can't Harkless do that?

He's overpaid, that's for sure.
I don't think he's a natural 3pt shooter, But we do need that new generation power forward who can compete with Lebron or Green and we're probably not getting a top PF in the upcoming free agency.

I'm fairly sure Stotts system can inflate his numbers to the realms of 16-18ppg + 8 rebounds.
If he works out - great, if we decide we can get something better than him then we can sell him for a higher price.

I know there's a feeling in the air of Harkless being similar to players like Harris, but he hasn't shown any consistency for that to be true.

 

[Pinwheel1]

He's overpaid, that's for sure.
I don't think he's a natural 3pt shooter, But we do need that new generation power forward who can compete with Lebron or Green and we're probably not getting a top PF in the upcoming free agency.

I'm fairly sure Stotts system can inflate his numbers to the realms of 16-18ppg + 8 rebounds.
If he works out - great, if we decide we can get something better than him then we can sell him for a higher price.

I know there's a feeling in the air of Harkless being similar to players like Harris, but he hasn't shown any consistency for that to be true.

So you are thinking PF for Harris. Interesting. 6'6.5" (in bare feet) and about 235lbs. I agree for the need for a new generation PF who can compete with Green. (And Harris is the same size) I am hoping Vonleh is that guy as he is so long with his 7'4 wingspan.
I guess his lateral quickness will be the determining factor if he is capable.

 

[B-Roy]

Tobias Harris is a lazy and bad defender.

 

[Draco]

if Miami loses Bosh for the rest of the season...they are going no where. And if they don't like Whiteside and don't plan on re-signing him, an hour before the deadline I am guessing they will take less than Mason Plumlee for him.

The question I have is if Pat Riley is not interested in paying Whiteside this summer, then should we? I guess one can make an argument that he is clearing cap space for Durant but my guess he just doesn't like him very much.

I think many are under selling Plumlee. He may not be a star, but he fills a need for a number of teams because he a big with some skills. He can actually run, dribble and pass (and probably chew gum) all at the same time. I hate giving up on him too early but I bet he is an attractive asset for teams looking to make a trade. I acknowledge he is not the best defensive center out there, but there is no reason why he can't improve that area of his game.

The post you replied to was correct with MILES Plumlee; it was a 3 way proposal I made with Milwaukee getting us Monroe.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

You would have to think we are going to use our space with Memphis picking up draft picks for taking the added salary of Anderson over Roberts.

 

[Blazers Roy]

So you are thinking PF for Harris. Interesting. 6'6.5" (in bare feet) and about 235lbs. I agree for the need for a new generation PF who can compete with Green. (And Harris is the same size) I am hoping Vonleh is that guy as he is so long with his 7'4 wingspan.
I guess his lateral quickness will be the determining factor if he is capable.

Welp, nevermind. Detroit got him for Jennings and Ilyasova.

 

[Draco]

You would have to think we are going to use our space with Memphis picking up draft picks for taking the added salary of Anderson over Roberts.

One of the picks was a top55 protected which is effectively worthless. So the actual pick they got was just a top40 second round pick of the Heat's; for the worse player on a few million larger contract.

Maybe we're holding out for a first. We absorb Boston's David Lee in a deal to get them a go to scorer and give up Hendo while getting a mid to late first round Boston pick. A number of these teams with boatloads of middle of the first round picks will be open to moving one.

Another idea I've wondered about; is there any way we could swing a deal with Denver to get back our own pick? Maybe take on the Faried contract or something. They have a ton of first round picks too.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

One of the picks was a top55 protected which is effectively worthless. So the actual pick they got was just a top40 second round pick of the Heat's; for the worse player on a few million larger contract.

Maybe we're holding out for a first. We absorb Boston's David Lee in a deal to get them a go to scorer and give up Hendo while getting a mid to late first round Boston pick. A number of these teams with boatloads of middle of the first round picks will be open to moving one.

Another idea I've wondered about; is there any way we could swing a deal with Denver to get back our own pick? Maybe take on the Faried contract or something. They have a ton of first round picks too.

Agreed that the second round picks were not stellar, but they were compensation.

Dont think I have ever seen a team get their draft pick back. Doubt they do a salary dump on Faried. Could definitely see the Boston deal you proposed go down.

 

[Draco]

Agreed that the second round picks were not stellar, but they were compensation.

Dont think I have ever seen a team get their draft pick back. Doubt they do a salary dump on Faried. Could definitely see the Boston deal you proposed go down.

It doesn't happen often; but its happened a number of times. TWolves got their pick back in the Garnett trade to Boston.

The Faried contract may not be bad with the cap skyrocketing; just a strategy I could see us proposing and Denver having extra picks may be willing to consider. It's guaranteed to not be a lottery pick and could even turn into second rounders. Maybe we pick up a first in a salary dump that we swing to Denver or involve a third team and somehow get our own pick back.

 

[MARIS61]

The more I think about this, the more sense it makes. But who do you envision starting at center?