Game Thread Preseason Game #1 - Blazers vs Raptors in Vancouver BC

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hoopsjock said:
So you are basically admitting that you have no answer other than it looks silly? Was it stupid when Rick Barry did it?
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That was not Rick Barry and this is not the 60's. Even Barry figured out that was the wrong way to shoot free throws.
There is no reason to have this conversation. You already know that every great free throw shooter in the last 50 years shoots overhand. So why are you even arguing this? Maybe go back to contracts. You are very astute when it comes to the CBA.
 
hoopsjock said:
Hmmm, I don't recall you wanting Mitchell on O-Live at the draft. If only we could still look at the archives! I'm not saying you for sure didn't but I thought I was the only one on there saying we should've taken Mitchell when we traded up. I think a couple people were hoping Mitchell fell to 15 or 20 but he shot up the draft board the last couple weeks.
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I remember Mitchell and Bell as the guys I wanted from the Draft. Though I thought they’d be available at 15-20. When they shot up to 10 and used that on Collins I wasnt super excited about it. You were by far the guy there highest on Mitchell. I just have never thought much of Zach there were a few (not just Mitchell) players I wouldve rather had.
 
kjironman1 said:
That was not Rick Barry and this is not the 60's. Even Barry figured out that was the wrong way to shoot free throws.
There is no reason to have this conversation. You already know that every great free throw shooter in the last 50 years shoots overhand. So why are you even arguing this? Maybe go back to contracts. You are very astute when it comes to the CBA.
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Its not about being a great free throw shooter its about being awful at the over hand version so trying the underhanded thing. Considering how many bigs are craptastic ft shooters I think more of them should go to that if it makes their percentage respectable.
 
kjironman1 said:
That was not Rick Barry and this is not the 60's. Even Barry figured out that was the wrong way to shoot free throws.
There is no reason to have this conversation. You already know that every great free throw shooter in the last 50 years shoots overhand. So why are you even arguing this? Maybe go back to contracts. You are very astute when it comes to the CBA.
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What are you even talking about? Rick Barry is the one who shot underhanded and to this day STILL thinks that every bad free throw shooter should be doing it. His son just two years ago did it at Florida and he was dang good at it (88.3%).
 
kjironman1 said:
That was not Rick Barry and this is not the 60's. Even Barry figured out that was the wrong way to shoot free throws.
There is no reason to have this conversation. You already know that every great free throw shooter in the last 50 years shoots overhand. So why are you even arguing this? Maybe go back to contracts. You are very astute when it comes to the CBA.
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Just because there are idiots out there that think it looks stupid and are too cool to do it doesn't mean that it isn't an effective way to shoot free throws.
 
TBpup said:
You're better than that than to think I'm referring to just one pre-season game. He looked good early last season and seemed to regress through the later portion of the season and didn't show any improvement in Summer League. It's been quite some time since he had even a decent game.
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I would change that to say that it's been awhile since he's had a decent game offensively. Defensively he's had some really nice games.

TorturedBlazerFan said:
I remember Mitchell and Bell as the guys I wanted from the Draft. Though I thought they’d be available at 15-20. When they shot up to 10 and used that on Collins I wasnt super excited about it. You were by far the guy there highest on Mitchell. I just have never thought much of Zach there were a few (not just Mitchell) players I wouldve rather had.
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I was so pissed when we traded up and took Collins. Then to make things worse stupid Utah rips off Denver and gets Mitchell. I've grown to like Collins though. I'm not worried about his struggles yet because I think him and Nurk are exactly the type of defenders that Dame and CJ need.
 
hoopsjock said:
I would change that to say that it's been awhile since he's had a decent game offensively. Defensively he's had some really nice games.


I was so pissed when we traded up and took Collins. Then to make things worse stupid Utah rips off Denver and gets Mitchell. I've grown to like Collins though. I'm not worried about his struggles yet because I think him and Nurk are exactly the type of defenders that Dame and CJ need.
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To be upfront about it, I dont actually remember which player I wanted them to get when they jumped up to 10, but I do remember there being like 4-5 other guys I thought would be better than Collins, and Mitchell was one them.You were definitely the guy on O-live That was really high on Mitchell.

Now I think Collins is pretty good defensively, but he so far has not been an elite rebounder, or been able to get the ball in the hoop. Now I do see flashes where I think he’s got some potential. I hope he puts it together because I think without major roster moves he may be there best chance at getting “better”.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I always wonder then.......when? What's the proper time for the 10th pick in a loaded draft to be judged?
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Depends on the contract. There isn't really a time where all of a sudden a player should be judged, you should simply take into account where they are in their development. Collins is still very early in his.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
To be upfront about it, I dont actually remember which player I wanted them to get when they jumped up to 10, but I do remember there being like 4-5 other guys I thought would be better than Collins, and Mitchell was one them.You were definitely the guy on O-live That was really high on Mitchell.

Now I think Collins is pretty good defensively, but he so far has not been an elite rebounder, or been able to get the ball in the hoop. Now I do see flashes where I think he’s got some potential. I hope he puts it together because I think without major roster moves he may be there best chance at getting “better”.
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I was high on Mitchell too. Said he could average 20ppg during the preseason last year because Utah was the perfect fit for him. Just that many people have extreme hindsight bias.
 
BonesJones said:
I was high on Mitchell too. Said he could average 20ppg during the preseason last year because Utah was the perfect fit for him. Just that many people have extreme hindsight bias.
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I guess we all do to some extent, but I dont feel like I have it “that bad” here. I feel like my opinion of picking Zach at 10 was basically the same then as it it now.
 
Watching the replay while I pregame so this might not be a well thought out thought, but Simons is going to contribute this season.
 
kinda underwhelming even considering its the first game of pre-season.

Dame tho...... Dame looked great.
Collins seems to have gotten more in shape and less good at basketball.
Meyers still can't play D or rebound for shit, he hit a few shots but if that was going to happen itd be against backups in pre-season.
Swagigan - i thought he looked pretty good actually - see next point.
Ed Davis - obviously not playing, but we needed everything he brought to the front court. we're missing a motor, a heart and desire.
The new guys - mixed bag, some crazy shots, some crazy good shots, some adjustments that never settled.
CJ - meh, nothing either way tbh
 
hoopsjock said:
What are you even talking about? Rick Barry is the one who shot underhanded and to this day STILL thinks that every bad free throw shooter should be doing it. His son just two years ago did it at Florida and he was dang good at it (88.3%).
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Whatever... You like the granny shot. Okay i'm good with that. Nobody else does it and there is a reason why. Sorry to ruffle your feathers Hoops.
 
hoopsjock said:
Just because there are idiots out there that think it looks stupid and are too cool to do it doesn't mean that it isn't an effective way to shoot free throws.
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That statement can go both ways. There are plenty of pretty good shooters that say it is not reliable and doesn't coach well. But that is your opinion so be it. I guess you shoot the granny shot. Hope you do well with it.
 
MarAzul said:
No it was not wrong. Rick Barry was shooting that under sling free throw when he and Warrior won the Championship in 1975.
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The point is Who else?
And how many?
Also how about just about every shooting coach in basketball saying it is not a coachable shot.
That is the point.
Sure you can make a few and if you are really really bad at free throws you can possibly raise your percentage by shooting the granny. But this is the NBA. The original statement was more about the Blazers having to have the dude that shoots the granny on the court.
 
what i learned on this page is kjironman1 loves typing the word 'granny'

its ok ladies, you're both pretty.

tbh id love to have seen shaq or ben wallace try under.
 
BlayZa said:
what i learned on this page is kjironman1 loves typing the word 'granny'

its ok ladies, you're both pretty.

tbh id love to have seen shaq or ben wallace try under.
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Most everyone i know calls it the granny shot.
 
kjironman1 said:
That was not Rick Barry and this is not the 60's. Even Barry figured out that was the wrong way to shoot free throws.
There is no reason to have this conversation. You already know that every great free throw shooter in the last 50 years shoots overhand. So why are you even arguing this? Maybe go back to contracts. You are very astute when it comes to the CBA.
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HJ is astute at everything basketball.

I've never seen you act like this before... Is everything alright with you?
 
hoopsjock said:
Just because there are idiots out there that think it looks stupid and are too cool to do it doesn't mean that it isn't an effective way to shoot free throws.
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Pretty much this.
Players don't shoot free throws underhanded because they get laughed at and they find it embarrassing.

Whats more embarrassing. Shooting 39% from the free throw line, or shooting an underhanded free throw?
 
hoopsjock said:
Hmmm, I don't recall you wanting Mitchell on O-Live at the draft. If only we could still look at the archives! I'm not saying you for sure didn't but I thought I was the only one on there saying we should've taken Mitchell when we traded up. I think a couple people were hoping Mitchell fell to 15 or 20 but he shot up the draft board the last couple weeks.
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Hmmm, if only I could I unlike this. Or mark it unnecessarily rude.
 
hoopsjock said:
Serious question: Why does it matter how the guy shoots free throws? Isn't it better to shoot them underhanded instead of being completely awful?
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This, I agree with. There is a good podcast about why people more people don't shoot underhanded (spoiler: it's because of people like KJ here): Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History.
 
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