Pritchard preparing to get aggressive

[graybeard]

I say no deal with Memphis. The only player they have that I'd want is Mayo and they won't give him up without getting one of our big 3 in return.

BNM

interesting, you were on the Conley bandwagon not to long ago, what happened to change your mind?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

You know we haven't discussed this, but what about Martell Webster to Memphis for Conley. If they (Memphis) does feel that Mayo could be their PG, then Martell would possibly interest them. He'd be a nice fit to compliment existing team I think.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Webster and Conley have had very similar careers so far. Early struggles. Both selected early and haven't played up to expectations.

 

[roydezlaw]

PG WANTED...kidd would be excellent for us. it would also gurantee playoffs and a 2nd round matchup

Kidd's a has been. He's too old and he's never won anything and Dallas sure hasn't looked better with him at the helm. Plus he doesn't fit that clean cut image that Pritchard wants to portray.

 

[Minstrel]

You know we haven't discussed this, but what about Martell Webster to Memphis for Conley. If they (Memphis) does feel that Mayo could be their PG, then Martell would possibly interest them. He'd be a nice fit to compliment existing team I think.

I'd trade Webster for Conley. I don't think Webster will be an impact player, so if Memphis liked him, I'd be willing to give him up to take a shot on Conley.

 

[graybeard]

Webster and Conley have had very similar careers so far. Early struggles. Both selected early and haven't played up to expectations.

My thinking is that Webster plays the 3.. and they have Gay at that position. Outlaw can play the 4 which is their biggest need right now.

Unless they want Webs to be a 2 guard, then it could work.

 

[ehizzy3]

My thinking is that Webster plays the 3.. and they have Gay at that position. Outlaw can play the 4 which is their biggest need right now.

Unless they want Webs to be a 2 guard, then it could work.

if they think mayo can run the point

 

[graybeard]

The consensus of Rice, Barrett, Tone... and myself, is that Frye is going to be relegated to the bench when Webster comes back. That's why I suggested a trade of Frye to Memphis last week. That's what they really need, a starting 4 that can back up the 5.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

By moving Webster for Conley you wouldn't disrupt team chemistry. Then you could move Bayless, Frye, Diogu, Randolph, and/or LaFrentz for the best available SF. This would allow Outlaw to get his time mainly at the 4.

I'm not excited about any of the experienced PGs out there and I'm really excited about what Blake and Rodriguez are doing on the court. If Portland could package those above players for Gerald Wallace, Vince Carter, or Michael Redd, and assuming that Batum is just fine with coming off the bench, but still with big minutes, then I think this would be the best scenario out there.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I'd trade Webster for Conley. I don't think Webster will be an impact player, so if Memphis liked him, I'd be willing to give him up to take a shot on Conley.

Would you be cool with this even though it means that then either Sergio or, more likely, IMO Bayless would be used to upgrade at the 3?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

My thinking is that Webster plays the 3.. and they have Gay at that position. Outlaw can play the 4 which is their biggest need right now.

Unless they want Webs to be a 2 guard, then it could work.

I'm just hearing about all this weight that Martell has dropped. He had been working on his quickness before the broken foot. He may be better suited at the 2, or at least just as good.

 

[Furball]

Agreed. Him and Kevin Durant are cut from the same cloth: big scorers on bad teams. Neo-Harvey-Grants.

Probably the best comparisons I've heard. Put them on good teams and see them flounder.

 

[graybeard]

When is D. Wade going to discover that he's going nowhere in Miami and want out? He's the one that I want.

Ya, sit your ass down, Steve Blake!

 

[Boob-No-More]

interesting, you were on the Conley bandwagon not to long ago, what happened to change your mind?

Actually, I haven't been on the Conley bandwagon since I thought we had a shot at getting him with the 10th or 11th pick in the 2007 draft (via a trade, of course). Once he shot up the draft board all the way to number 4, I gave up on that idea.

Blake is a better fit short term for this team, and we have Bayless long term. So, while I haven't totally written Conley off as a bust, I don't see him as a good fit on this team. If we do trade for a PG, I want it to be an immediate upgrade that will help us win more games now and improve ouir chances of advancing in the play-offs - NOT a long term project.

See my comments in this thread:

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129964

BNM

 

[crowTrobot]

When is D. Wade going to discover that he's going nowhere in Miami and want out?

in 2010 when he can get a 30% max deal

 

[Minstrel]

Would you be cool with this even though it means that then either Sergio or, more likely, IMO Bayless would be used to upgrade at the 3?

Why would it necessitate a move to upgrade the 3? Batum has been playing adequately there and looks like he could be excellent in the future. Outlaw gives them scoring punch at the position off the bench.

 

[graybeard]

Actually, I haven't been on the Conley bandwagon since I thought we had a shot at getting him with the 10th or 11th pick in the 2007 draft (via a trade, of course). Once he shot up the draft board all the way to number 4, I gave up on that idea.

Blake is a better fit short term for this team, and we have Bayless long term. So, while I haven't totally written Conley off as a bust, I don't see him as a good fit on this team. If we do trade for a PG, I want it to be an immediate upgrade that will help us win more games now and improve ouir chances of advancing in the play-offs - NOT a long term project.

See my comments in this thread:

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129964

BNM

Fair enough.

 

[maxiep]

The bottom line is none of us have any idea what KP is going to do. I personally know some folks within the organization as well as some pretty connected guys and they're all hearing completely different things. In June's draft, no one had any idea who we were targeting. That's all intentional. The Blazers' personnel group put out tons of false info.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

if they think mayo can run the point

Thats where Mayo should be anyways

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Why would it necessitate a move to upgrade the 3? Batum has been playing adequately there and looks like he could be excellent in the future. Outlaw gives them scoring punch at the position off the bench.

Just an assumption. I don't see us carrying all 4 pgs in that scenario and if we would be making another move to even things out then I think the logical move is at the 3 if we can get a major stud. Batums been great but I see an opportunity to snag another high level 3.

 

[Minstrel]

Just an assumption. I don't see us carrying all 4 pgs in that scenario.

Right, me either. I'd be happy to see point guards dealt, in the right deal. What that is, I don't know. Portland's not exactly lacking in much. My ideal trade would be something like Aldridge and Bayless for Bosh. Not that that specific deal is possible, but basically to deal some "extra talent" to upgrade our top-end players.

 

[Pontius]

Webster and Conley have had very similar careers so far. Early struggles. Both selected early and haven't played up to expectations.

Have you followed any other sports besides basketball?

Do you realize that the 18-19-20-21 year-old in most team sports is not typically counted on for anything? And that whatever they do accomplish is usually considered a bonus on top of their development. Basketball is no different. To say that Conley or Webster have not fulfilled expectations is to go against whatever common sense that is out there with regard to playing young players.

It just blows my mind that someone could say something so idiotic and groundless. Lower your fucking expectations and get a clue.

Sorry to personalize this because you are not the only one.

 

[andalusian]

A place where we can upgrade is in the backup PF point for a bruising post player, sort of like Milsap or Landry kind of guy.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Right, me either. I'd be happy to see point guards dealt, in the right deal. What that is, I don't know. Portland's not exactly lacking in much. My ideal trade would be something like Aldridge and Bayless for Bosh. Not that that specific deal is possible, but basically to deal some "extra talent" to upgrade our top-end players.

And I know it's not popular, and I don't want to hijack the thread to debate it, but I think Nash (even for one year) would do wonders showing this team how to play a little more open offense.

Something tells me that Pritch is looking at this like chess. We may get someone soon like Redd or Baron or Arenas or something on the cheap, and look to turn a bunch of pieces that seemingly don't fit into a superduperstar. I could be wrong, though.

 

[graybeard]

A place where we can upgrade is in the backup PF point for a bruising post player, sort of like Milsap or Landry kind of guy.

That backup PF also needs to be able to shoot from outside..... or the paint is going to be plugged up with Joel and Greg in there.... and quite frankly that person doesn't exist.

 

[Da_O]

I have full trust that Pritchard will make the "correct" move.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Right, me either. I'd be happy to see point guards dealt, in the right deal. What that is, I don't know. Portland's not exactly lacking in much. My ideal trade would be something like Aldridge and Bayless for Bosh. Not that that specific deal is possible, but basically to deal some "extra talent" to upgrade our top-end players.

What about turning LaFrentz, Bayless and Frye into Gerald Wallace, Vince Carter, or Michael Redd?

Batum could easily slide to a reserve role if we could get one of these high-caliber players.

 

[andalusian]

That backup PF also needs to be able to shoot from outside..... or the paint is going to be plugged up with Joel and Greg in there.... and quite frankly that person doesn't exist.

I expect this guy to play next to Pryzbilla who does not really have too many post moves other than garbage man extraordinaire (which is great as well) or to play next to Aldridge when the teams goes to small-ball.

That's why we are talking about a backup PF here - someone that should play 12-15 MPG.

 

[graybeard]

I expect this guy to play next to Pryzbilla who does not really have too many post moves other than garbage man extraordinaire (which is great as well) or to play next to Aldridge when the teams goes to small-ball.

That's why we are talking about a backup PF here - someone that should play 12-15 MPG.

We have our bangers, Joel and Greg. Our pf's need to be able to draw opposing players out of the paint to clear the lanes for the drivers. Having two post players inside just clogs things up. It just doesn't work. That's why Magloire and Zach didn't work. This whole theory that we need another banger is a myth.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Have you followed any other sports besides basketball?

I'm a fan of all sports.

Do you realize that the 18-19-20-21 year-old in most team sports is not typically counted on for anything? And that whatever they do accomplish is usually considered a bonus on top of their development. Basketball is no different.

Yep. I sure do know that.

To say that Conley or Webster have not fulfilled expectations is to go against whatever common sense that is out there with regard to playing young players.

You don't pay attention very well do you? First of all, I'm always preaching patience with young players. I fucking have to do it on these message boards so much that it has become irritating. Secondly, I haven't been necessarily disappointed with either Webster or Conley's advancements. I made that comment as a general consensus, not what I particularly believe. And to be fair, the consensus isn't exactly out of line. Not as much to label these young players as "busts", "lost causes", or "unfulfilled", but they certainly have struggled more so than other players at their same age. But it's fine with me, most people don't factor in that different players progress at a different paces or don't consider that other circumstances (team dynamics, etc..) could be affecting said player.

It just blows my mind that someone could say something so idiotic and groundless. Lower your fucking expectations and get a clue..

And it blows my mind that someone, like yourself, could post something so silly and baseless. You took my comments out of the context with which they were meant. So piss off!