Public Employees Protesting WI Governor

[maxiep]

Some more missives from those peaceful pro-union folks: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...dock?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d841bfd06cc4406,0

 

[PapaG]

Update on the email death threats to GOP lawmakers.

Here is the perp, and surprise, she is a public school teacher and a member of the union!

http://www.myspace.com/katherinewindels

Status: In a Relationship
Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends
Hometown: Jericho, Vermont
Orientation: Straight
Height: 5' 3"
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Religion: Catholic
Zodiac Sign: Sagittarius
Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
Education: Grad / professional school
Occupation: Elementary Education Teacher


Schools

University Of Wisconsin-Madison
Madison,WI
Graduated: N/A
Degree: Professional
Major: Education
Minor: Education

These are the people teaching our kids.

 

[maxiep]

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/03/wisconsin-state-employees-union-afscme.html

You stay classy, unions.

 

[maxiep]

I guess there wasn't a flu bug going through Madison after all...

http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=33138

I hope these maggots are fired.

 

[Minstrel]

This is a little old, but since it hasn't been mentioned:

MADISON - A Dane County Circuit judge issued a temporary restraining order Friday that will block the publishing of Governor Walker's collective bargaining law.

Judge Maryann Sumi granted the emergency order blocking publication after Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat, filed a lawsuit alleging that a joint legislative committee violated Wisconsin's open meetings law when it hastily scheduled a hearing on Walker's bill.

The Republican-controlled Legislature passed the measure and Gov. Scott Walker signed it last week. The law can't take effect until it's formally published, and Democratic secretary of state Doug La Follette had planned to wait the full 10 days allowed to publish it March 25.

Judge Osumi made no ruling on the merits of the collective bargaining law, only that its passage through the joint committee violated the open meetings law and could therefore not be published until Ozanne's lawsuit is adjudicated.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/118242784.html

 

[maxiep]

This is a little old, but since it hasn't been mentioned:



http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/118242784.html

Old news, but here's the further development

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/copious-quantities-of-casuistry/

Basically, she said the manner in which the public and the Senators were notified that the vote was taking place was deemed insufficient by her. It's a technicality which can easily be overturned by a re-vote.

 

[PapaG]

Fast forward to 1:45 of this video to see a great example of somebody who hasn't been prepped for an obvious question.

[video=youtube;ck9vKp0zQCE]

 

[maxiep]

LOL, now those crazy Red State right wingers are at it again in...Massachusetts

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/...rtail-peu-bargaining-rights-is-massachusetts/

 

[BrianFromWA]

well, when you elect an underwear model to represent you, what do you expect?

 

[maxiep]

Well, imagine that...

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/06/under-new-wisconsin-budget-repair-one.html

 

[barfo]

Well, imagine that...

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/06/under-new-wisconsin-budget-repair-one.html

Yes, quite a big surprise that paying workers less reduces the payroll. Who would have ever guessed that outcome?

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Well, imagine that...

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/06/under-new-wisconsin-budget-repair-one.html

Wouldn't this be better?

In April, the school board rejected a proposal from the Kaukauna Education Association to extend the union’s contract and incorporate pension and healthcare concessions along with a wage freeze, a move the union projected could save the district about $1.8 million next year.

http://www.postcrescent.com/article...ter-changes?odyssey=tab|topnews|img|FRONTPAGE

 

[Ed O]

Wouldn't this be better?

In April, the school board rejected a proposal from the Kaukauna Education Association to extend the union’s contract and incorporate pension and healthcare concessions along with a wage freeze, a move the union projected could save the district about $1.8 million next year.

http://www.postcrescent.com/article...ter-changes?odyssey=tab|topnews|img|FRONTPAGE

No. $1.9m (the difference between -$400k and +$1.5m) is superior to $1.8m.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

No. $1.9m (the difference between -$400k and +$1.5m) is superior to $1.8m.

Ed O.

Since both are estimates, and nearly identical in dollar amounts, I think the taxpayers come out far better in the long run by gratiously accepting the union's generous offer of personal sacrifice rather than spit on their offer and alienate the people who will be educating their children.

 

[MARIS61]

No, I have four friends with that particular degree.

How dumb are they that it took 4 of them to get one degree?

 

[Ed O]

Since both are estimates, and nearly identical in dollar amounts, I think the taxpayers come out far better in the long run by gratiously accepting the union's generous offer of personal sacrifice rather than spit on their offer and alienate the people who will be educating their children.

I disagree. I think the state is much better off being able to control how much they spend on education, rather than being held hostage by those who have decided to educate their children.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

Update on the email death threats to GOP lawmakers.

Here is the perp, and surprise, she is a Catholic, straight, and a non-smoker!

http://www.myspace.com/katherinewindels

Status: In a Relationship
Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends
Hometown: Jericho, Vermont
Orientation: Straight
Height: 5' 3"
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Religion: Catholic
Zodiac Sign: Sagittarius
Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
Education: Grad / professional school
Occupation: Elementary Education Teacher


Schools

University Of Wisconsin-Madison
Madison,WI
Graduated: N/A
Degree: Professional
Major: Education
Minor: Education

These are the people teaching our kids.

fixed.

 

[MARIS61]

I disagree. I think the state is much better off being able to control how much they spend on education, rather than being held hostage by those who have decided to educate their children.

Ed O.

So you feel the State Government of WI has nobody competent to negotiate a fair labor contract with teachers?

Either these are very, very smart teachers (who would obviously deserve to be well-compensated), or all non-teaching Wisconsins are absolute retards.

Probably a combination of the two.

 

[Ed O]

So you feel the State Government of WI has nobody competent to negotiate a fair labor contract with teachers?

Teachers have unions and political organizations that help get politicians elected. Those politicians then negotiate with the unions. Often, politicians know that they can negotiate locally and, if things go bad, ask the state for assistance... so they have less incentive to risk a strike or labor strife.

It's less about being smart and more about being focused.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

Can we all agree on the following things?

1. That elections in this country are--by and large--free and fair.
2. That elections can have consequences if your side loses.
3. That for all its failings, we agree that our government is a democratic republic.
4. That if you lose, you at least have the duty to show up.
5. That if you choose not to show up, you have no right to complain about the outcome.

Is any of the above unreasonable? If so, which parts to you find objectionable?

1 and 3 are no longer true, if indeed they ever were.

But if you think they are I've got a 100,000 acre Redwood forest in Christmas Valley I'll sell you real cheap.

 

[MARIS61]

Teachers have unions and political organizations that help get politicians elected. Those politicians then negotiate with the unions. Often, politicians know that they can negotiate locally and, if things go bad, ask the state for assistance... so they have less incentive to risk a strike or labor strife.

It's less about being smart and more about being focused.

Ed O.

So we agree completely it seems.

The problem is crooked politicians and the stupid voters who put them in office.

It has nothing at all to do with teachers.

 

[Ed O]

So we agree completely it seems.

The problem is crooked politicians and the stupid voters who put them in office.

It has nothing at all to do with teachers.

It definitely does have something to do with teachers and organized labor.

Ed O.

 

[MARIS61]

My wife suggested measuring what the kids learned during the year as opposed to measuring one class's scores against another class in a different school.... If the kids aren't getting any smarter, then the teacher probably isn't teaching.

When I was young, the kids in class who had trouble learning all came from homes or parents you could trace the cause to. Abuse, neglect, divorce, poverty, disease...

I don't think teachers have become worse, I think home environments have become worse and parental responsibility less common.

 

[MARIS61]

It definitely does have something to do with teachers and organized labor.

Ed O.

Not at all.

If we make the assumption that all politicians faithfully and honestly represent their constituency and all voters are intelligent enough to choose their own representatives through a ballot process I don't see how teachers can tip the scales at all.

 

[Ed O]

Not at all.

If we make the assumption that all politicians faithfully and honestly represent their constituency and all voters are intelligent enough to choose their own representatives through a ballot process I don't see how teachers can tip the scales at all.

I don't agree. I know that politicians are most concerned about getting elected. The reasons for wanting to be elected can be markedly different, of course, but they all know they need to be in power to make a difference.

It doesn't make all politicians bad or liars, though. A politician might want to do good in ten different areas, and she might not be merely moderate regarding teacher unions... by receiving money and support, though, from an organization that is focused on teacher union issues, though, the politician could easily (and justifiably) do a calculation that in order to do good in nine areas, she has to do less-than-good in the tenth.

It is the sources of the focused support, then, that causes the less-than-good in the tenth item, and when the source is one like a public union, it leads to a spiral of government spending and union entrenchment that is not good for society.

Ed O.

 

[maxiep]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/walker-s-vindication_577310.html?nopager=1