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crandc said:
Yeah, long hearings are great for advance cooking, last one I baked cornbread. Start with the things that can be frozen.
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I remember, back in the day, friends of mine did that once-a-month cooking thing whereas, they prepared about a month's worth of (ready-to-bake) meals in a day. Lots of casseroles! They had 5 kids, though.
 
crandc said:
Yeah, long hearings are great for advance cooking, last one I baked cornbread. Start with the things that can be frozen.
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I think you and my wife would love to talk about cooking together. She just loves to cook and to bake, and she plans meals like months in advance and has stuff in our freezer weeks before she needs it has things going through all these processes months before she uses it. I think it's a little crazy when I was a bachelor my preparation included what restaurants are on my way home heh. She has a schedule she keeps of year-round what produce will be in season and at it's freshest from what her sisters tell me she lived like that before we got married too.
 


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ABM said:
Go back and re-read the dialog. Perhaps, you'll catch on. Perhaps.
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No thanks. I'm fine with what I posted. So what do you think the over and under on how many false statements trump makes at his rally? I say 10 and over is a lock to be a winner. The guy just has a hard time dealing with facts That and all his personal attacks and name calling are enough for me to never want this guy running the country.
 
The people who blindly support Trump no matter what by regurgitating what they have read/heard while ignoring actual facts still makes me shake my head in disbelief...and that includes both elected GOP officials as well as the people who voted for both them and Trump.
 
ABM said:
I remember, back in the day, friends of mine did that once-a-month cooking thing whereas, they prepared about a month's worth of (ready-to-bake) meals in a day. Lots of casseroles! They had 5 kids, though.
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I do that since it's actually hard to cook for one.
 
yankeesince59 said:
The people who blindly support Trump no matter what by regurgitating what they have read/heard while ignoring actual facts still makes me shake my head in disbelief...and that includes both elected GOP officials as well as the people who voted for both them and Trump.
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I think its the crutch of the issue to some extent. Really aren't we all just taking what we have read/heard adding our cognitive bias’ to it and saying thats fact. Its not like you or I are in congress, or the president. Yes there are some “facts” that are always absolute and not relative but much of the realm of politics is less about facts and more about feelings and ideas. Its part of what can make someone as divisive as Trump so dangerous as a leader, claim everything thats negative about him is a lie, and people will eat it up, and when some of it turns out to be lies the people on his side start to feel like all of it is.

However I think we out to be careful saying oh your just regurgitating what youve read or heard, how else does one inform themselves?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think its the crutch of the issue to some extent. Really aren't we all just taking what we have read/heard adding our cognitive bias’ to it and saying thats fact. Its not like you or I are in congress, or the president. Yes there are some “facts” that are always absolute and not relative but much of the realm of politics is less about facts and more about feelings and ideas. Its part of what can make someone as divisive as Trump so dangerous as a leader, claim everything thats negative about him is a lie, and people will eat it up, and when some of it turns out to be lies the people on his side start to feel like all of it is.

However I think we out to be careful saying oh your just regurgitating what youve read or heard, how else does one inform themselves?
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I agree except for the last part...being well informed by multiples source while coupled with the gift of cognitive thinking is ultimately what allows us to arrive at our own well educated conclusions.
 
yankeesince59 said:
I agree except for the last part...being well informed by multiples source while coupled with the gift of cognitive thinking is ultimately what allows us to arrive at our own well educated conclusions.
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Sure, but my own well educated conclusion could in fact be inaccurate or wrong. At the end of the day all you can ask voters to do, is try to inform themselves, and try to make educated conclusions, but they may still come to different conclusions. In the realm of politics, quite often actually.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Sure, but my own well educated conclusion could in fact be inaccurate or wrong. At the end of the day all you can ask voters to do, is try to inform themselves, and try to make educated conclusions, but they may still come to different conclusions. In the realm of politics, quite often actually.
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You mean like Dems and Reps?...lol...sorry, couldn't resist.
 
I finally recognized Sly Shiff, I thought I had seen the style before.
You're out of order, you don't have authority to post anymore.

The lady to day was an interesting witness.
Did you say anything to the Ukrainians bad mouthing Trump in the last campaign?
No.

Did you think Hunter Bidden working for the corrupt gas company was maybe not right?
No.

You were trying to eliminate corruption in the Urkrain, encouraging them to do so, right?
Yes.

Bidden working for one of the most corrupt companies in the Urkrain is not a problem?
I hardly knew he was there.

Did the State Department coach you how to answer about inquiry of Bidden?
Yes.
Did they tell you to refer the questions to the office of the VP?
Yes.

Ha!
Priceless, no fucking wonder she was booted.
Nice lady but clueless.
 
yankeesince59 said:
And never before have we had a POTUS who is as cruel, insulting, ignorant, bombastic, etc., as Trump. And never have we had a party blindly supporting this idiot president strictly for partisan reasons no matter what, so yeah, it is partisan.
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Well, elections usually are mostly partisan. I have only ever voted for the winning Democrat twice out of 15 time. Nothing to explain there, I am pleased with the result.
But, Impeachment is not supposes to be that way. As very well explained in Federalist #65. In fact it has played out to be at less somewhat bipartisan in all attempts in the past. This time is the very obvious exception.
 
MarAzul said:
Well, elections usually are mostly partisan. I have only ever voted for the winning Democrat twice out of 15 time. Nothing to explain there, I am pleased with the result.
But, Impeachment is not supposes to be that way. As very well explained in Federalist #65. In fact it has played out to be at less somewhat bipartisan in all attempts in the past. This time is the very obvious exception.
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So it's acceptable for elections to be partisan but it is not acceptable for impeachments to be partisan?
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Where on God’s green earth were you in the ‘90’s????? Eight effing years spent by the Republicans doing their utmost to remove Clinton. All because of an alleged shady business deal prior to his assuming the presidency, along with receiving a (consensual) hummer in the Oval Office. 20+ years later it’s the same frickin’ deal. Only the names have changed and the political parties have swapped roles. But I guess that makes it okay for you as long as your side is the one shitting on this country. And here you said you weren’t a cannabis user........
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I was totally against the Rep impeaching Clinton. I had voted for Clinton in his first election, not his second. But never the less, I felt we needed a President un-bothered by this bullshit with all the terrorist attacks and all. And yes, wrong when you read Federalist paper #65. However, it was not quite a wrong as this time, where 5 Democrats in the house voted with the Reps to impeach Clinton. The last vote in the house this time has it even worse than partisan, as two Democrats voted with the Rep not
to proceed.

"But I guess that makes it okay for you as long as your side is the one shitting on this country. And here you said you weren’t a cannabis user"
I don't know what to say about this comment, it seems like you sort of lost it.
 
yankeesince59 said:
So it's acceptable for elections to be partisan but it is not acceptable for impeachments to be partisan?
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Well fucking A!
That does mean we do accept the results of elections and do not just fall back on impeachment a handy plan B. That sure as hell was the intent.

But the last election was not as partisan as this impeachment. Many democrats voted for Trump as a better alternative to Clinton. That is why he won. It might be the only way most Republicans ever win.
 
MarAzul said:
Well fucking A!
That does mean we do accept the results of elections and do not just fall back on impeachment a handy plan B. That sure as hell was the intent.
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Nixon and Clinton said hello.

The Constitutional provision for impeachment is there for a reason...and your boy will soon discover why.
 
MarAzul said:
I was totally against the Rep impeaching Clinton. I had voted for Clinton in his first election, not his second. But never the less, I felt we needed a President un-bothered by this bullshit with all the terrorist attacks and all. And yes, wrong when you read Federalist paper #65. However, it was not quite a wrong as this time, where 5 Democrats in the house voted with the Reps to impeach Clinton. The last vote in the house this time has it even worse than partisan, as two Democrats voted with the Rep not
to proceed.

"But I guess that makes it okay for you as long as your side is the one shitting on this country. And here you said you weren’t a cannabis user"
I don't know what to say about this comment, it seems like you sort of lost it.
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Your obsession with the Federalist Papers is silly. They are not law, and are in fact opinions written in essay form mostly by Hamilton, whose federalist party lost out almost immediately to the anti-federalists. I'm personally not impressed with Hamilton's interpretations of the constitution. He in fact argued against the Bill of Rights being necessary in Fed Paper #84. Same guy also died in a duel. Dumbass.
 
theprunetang said:
Your obsession with the Federalist Papers is silly.
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Thank you for your opinion. I look to all sources available to give meat to the intent of the Constitution. The papers are good, British common law and Natural law are also good.
I tend to agree with you about Hamilton, as he would not be listed among my list of the heaviest hitters in the founding. However, his word admonishing restraint on impeachment seen very damn sound, especially when you find
you are in disagreement with the electorate totally on a partisan basis. It has to be a logic lesson to find yourself in that position.
 
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theprunetang said:
He in fact argued against the Bill of Rights being necessary in Fed Paper #84. Same guy also died in a duel. Dumbass.
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Yes, Dumbass identified.

I just reread #84 again, and yes, it is Hamilton as Hamilton, jacking on as if he were about to get there.

But! Just think, how much your S2 companions would appreciate if he had prevailed.
No 2nd amendment!

And for that fail, I thank Mr. Madison.
 
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