Question: did Olshey promise LaMarcus not to trade him?

[mook]

What the hell is all this LA hate coming from? He is having a "bad" year after 11 games coming off of surgery with an injured wrist and injured back. Its a bad year if you consider 19.7p 3.1 assists 7.2 rb and 1.2 blocks.
LA is a top 20 player, you dont trade an asset like that especially when the pg you drafted had shown real potential when the goal is not to fully rebuild but to make a run at the playoffs next year. Not unless your offered something you cannot turn down
Trading LA sets us back significantly and we might as well kiss goodbye a shot at doing anything the next few years without him.

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I don't hate Aldridge. But of our best 4 players, he's the oldest. The development of Lillard/Batum/Matthews makes me inclined to try to fill in the gaps, and it may be that dealing LMA is the easiest way to do that. I'm not totally sold on the idea, but I have a much more open mind to it than I did at the beginning of the season.

 

[Rhal]

Im not against trading LA I just think every trade iv seen is undervaluing him. People seem to just be trying to find a trade to get ride of him instead of getting full value for him.

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[RR7]

Gibson/CHA pick/Mirotic makes a lot of sense.

By the time we get that Charlotte pick as a "rebuilding piece", Lillard will likely be the same age that Aldridge is now. And then you'll be looking to trade Lillard for another pick 3 yearsout to go with that piece. No.

 

[BrianFromWA]

What the hell is all this LA hate coming from? He is having a "bad" year after 11 games coming off of surgery with an injured wrist and injured back. Its a bad year if you consider 19.7p 3.1 assists 7.2 rb and 1.2 blocks.
LA is a top 20 player, you dont trade an asset like that especially when the pg you drafted had shown real potential when the goal is not to fully rebuild but to make a run at the playoffs next year. Not unless your offered something you cannot turn down
Trading LA sets us back significantly and we might as well kiss goodbye a shot at doing anything the next few years without him.

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A) Not hate.
B) Yep. Inefficient volume shooting is not good, no matter if you hate LaMarcus Aldridge or not.
C) If you consider 19.7/3.1ast/7.2reb in another light, that's an off year for Antoine Walker, Jamal Mashburn or Keith Van Horn. It's not the counting stats. Put it this way, if Ronnie Price took 15 3's a game and made 4, would you say it's valuable to have a backup PG that could get 12ppg? Or would you beg him not to shoot the effing ball anymore?
D) 2 years ago (heck, even last year before everyone quit) LMA was a Top 20 player. He has (for whatever reason--injuries, offense, whatever) abandoned the LaMonster philosophy to shoot over 4 of every 5 shots as a long jumper. That's NOT a top 20 player unless you're shooting significantly higher % than LMA is.
E) To make a run at the playoffs next year means you have 11 months to suck. Even you'd agree that trading LMA for a project and future assets helps do that.
F) Your definition of "significantly", especially when you don't know what's coming back, seems different than many others'.

 

[Rhal]

The way to get best value from LA is to trade him to a team looking to make the move from fringe playoff team to a dangerous dark horse contender. Something i like is
LA
Smith
Babbit
Throw in
For
Millsap
Kanter
Tinsley

Or
Jefferson
Favors
Tinsley

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[RR7]

E) To make a run at the playoffs next year means you have 11 months to suck. Even you'd agree that trading LMA for a project and future assets helps do that.

Do you need to suck for 11 months to have a chance to make a run at the playoffs next season? I don't understand why we can't be mediocre, and make a run at the playoffs next season.

 

[BrianFromWA]

the suckage is for a better pick, which (at least in theory) gets you a better player, making a better team and therefore a better chance to make a run than being mediocre.

 

[RR7]

the suckage is for a better pick, which (at least in theory) gets you a better player, making a better team and therefore a better chance to make a run than being mediocre.

So you think a pick maybe from 5-8 gives us a better chance at the playoffs next season than LMA?

 

[Mediocre Man]

As I said in a few other threads, the only trade that makes sense for Aldridge is a trade that brings the Blazers multiple young players with upside and draft picks. However, the only trade that makes sense for the other team is if they are a piece away...... or at least thinks they are. Those teams normally don't have what we want.

Houston is the closest

Aldrich, Jones, Morris, Cook and a 2014 1st for LA, Babbitt and Williams and eeek that's not very good

 

[BrianFromWA]

No. I'm saying that a pick from 5-8 plus whatever we get for LMA right now has a substantial chance of making us a better team next year than LMA and no pick (#13 or #14). Obviously it depends on what we get, and if LMA ever wants to play like the LMA from 2 years ago again. I very much like Lillard, Wes and Batum and Leonard is growing on me.

 

[Rhal]

A) Not hate.
B) Yep. Inefficient volume shooting is not good, no matter if you hate LaMarcus Aldridge or not.
C) If you consider 19.7/3.1ast/7.2reb in another light, that's an off year for Antoine Walker, Jamal Mashburn or Keith Van Horn. It's not the counting stats. Put it this way, if Ronnie Price took 15 3's a game and made 4, would you say it's valuable to have a backup PG that could get 12ppg? Or would you beg him not to shoot the effing ball anymore?
D) 2 years ago (heck, even last year before everyone quit) LMA was a Top 20 player. He has (for whatever reason--injuries, offense, whatever) abandoned the LaMonster philosophy to shoot over 4 of every 5 shots as a long jumper. That's NOT a top 20 player unless you're shooting significantly higher % than LMA is.
E) To make a run at the playoffs next year means you have 11 months to suck. Even you'd agree that trading LMA for a project and future assets helps do that.
F) Your definition of "significantly", especially when you don't know what's coming back, seems different than many others'.

If you take LMA out of our starting lineup and put one of hibbert, verajoe, monroe, any other non AS level but good big and we lose one of the greatest assets he had and thats the fact he gets doublded and creates open shots when he gets on the left block. take that away and we will get less open shots.
Trade value is not dictated by 12 games, his value is still very high around the league and playing injured 12 games into a season with a new coach we dont know if LA is going to continue to take the majority of his shots from that 18 feet out. Im not convinced he does but it is a possibility.


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[SlyPokerDog]

We should trade him to Minnesota for Roy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

We should trade him to Minnesota for Roy.

Right team, wrong player

 

[BrianFromWA]

does someone have access to the synergy numbers on this? I keep hearing that he's going down to the block a bunch and getting double-teamed, but the eye test (and I've watched every play so far) doesn't stick to me as that being the case. I'm very open to being wrong on this, but I'm seeing a lot of pick-and-pops (and the screen isn't that great, but that's nothing new), some left-block-extended stuff where he starts on the block, runs out two steps or so to accept the pass and then have the passer run by, rubbing off the passer's defender--but I don't consider that "left block". His assists per game HAVE gone up from 2.4 to 3.1, but that's not even one more time a game where he's passing out of the double team for an assist.

Just out of curiosity, I ran a list of people in the 3pt era who averaged 19ppg on a TS% between 46% and 48.5% (LMA's is 47.8 right now). He's almost identical to old Jamal Mashburn, old Chris Webber (except they rebounded better) and (if he bumps up his scoring to 23 or so) Antoine Walker. That's NOT top 20. And I'd normally be the guy who says "aw, forget it, it's 12 games, bad hip, etc."--but then I look at his comments about having lost a step and having enough trouble banging Chuck Hayes 6x to get to that spot for the jumper and I don't see a guy who wants to go inside 10 feet, even if he was healthy.

 

[RR7]

I don't know if he's necessarily getting double teamed more this season or not. I do know that having someone with his talent level that the defense has to watch makes life much easier for our other three players. Hickson isn't someone that commands that extra watchful eye. To remove him, IMO, will just make things that much more difficult, and that much tighter for our 3 wings.

 

[blue9]

LA is a top 20 player...

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude (especially being new over here). But just how is LMA a top 20 player? He's barely a top 20 player at his position. He might have "top 20 STATS", but he certainly isn't a top 20 player. Not unless you also think players like Tyreke Evans, Monta Ellis, and Kevin Martin are top 20 players.

 

[BrianFromWA]

2 years ago he was 3rd-team all-nba, so you could say he was Top 15 at that point. Last year he was an all-star, so you can say he was top 25 or so. This year? He's playing like Antoine Walker or the Philly version of Chris Webber

 

[RR7]

He's barely a top 20 player at his position.

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, especially with you being new over here, but this statement here is just terrible. BARELY top 20 at his position?

 

[RR7]

2 years ago he was 3rd-team all-nba, so you could say he was Top 15 at that point. Last year he was an all-star, so you can say he was top 25 or so. This year? He's playing like Antoine Walker or the Philly version of Chris Webber

for a 12 game stretch, off of injury, in a new offense.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude (especially being new over here). But just how is LMA a top 20 player? He's barely a top 20 player at his position. He might have "top 20 STATS", but he certainly isn't a top 20 player. Not unless you also think players like Tyreke Evans, Monta Ellis, and Kevin Martin are top 20 players.

Can you just post the penis pics and move on?

 

[blue9]

does someone have access to the synergy numbers on this? I keep hearing that he's going down to the block a bunch and getting double-teamed, but the eye test (and I've watched every play so far) doesn't stick to me as that being the case.

He's not. He's generally in single-coverage or left wide open at the top. He's taking the VAST majority of his shots from 18' out. And teams generally leave him wide open to take that shot because they know the Blazers won't win with LMA shooting jumpers.
As you'll see here LMA is taking far and away (10 per game) the most long jumpers on the team. He's essentially taking as many long 2-pointers as the rest of the team COMBINED: http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=POR&type=pg&posi=%&yr=2013&gp2=0&mins=0
Last year he was getting double-teamed quite a lot. However, I argue that he only "commanded" a double-team because the opponent could get away doubling him without worrying about any consequences. LMA doesn't actually "command" a double-team, it was just a sound defensive strategy because (a) LMA is easily frustrated by a double-team, (b) is incapable of making a pass to someone cutting down the lane, and (c) there wasn't anyone else on the team worth doubling. But nobody is doubling LMA anymore.

 

[BrianFromWA]

repped. I like that hoopdata has more than 82 games for breakdowns. thanks.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i want an ipcheck on blue9, guy is a dick pic waiting to happen (not that i mind)

 

[BrianFromWA]

already done...guy's legit. Sorry to disappoint, 3RA1N1AC.

 

[Mediocre Man]

already done...guy's legit. Sorry to disappoint, 3RA1N1AC.

Not legit at all.

 

[blue9]

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, especially with you being new over here, but this statement here is just terrible. BARELY top 20 at his position?

In no particular order here are PFs who are better, or about as good as LMA:
Dirk
Pau
Randolph
Duncan
Griffin
West
Lee
Millsap
Cousins
Boozer
Bosh
Ibaka
Amare (if he ever plays again)
Josh Smith
Garnett
Scola

I may have forgotten a few names too. And what happens when these rookies and sophomores develop and they get added to the list? Heck, add Hickson to the list - he's a better PF than LMA!

I'm not saying all of these guys are hands-down better - but I also can't say that LMA is better than all of these guys, either. I contend that all of these guys would be able to put up the same or better stats as LMA, if the entire offense was run through them for a season. LMA's game doesn't do anything that makes other players around him better - he doesn't do anything that leads to winning. He pads out his stats while losing all the way to the lotto - that's all he's got going for him. That, in my book, is not good. I can probably agree that he's a top 20 PF, but I most certainly can't say he's ever been a top 20 player.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

bummer

 

[RR7]

if that's your list then....yeah. good luck with that.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

you forgot kevin love, but i guess he is the same kind of player, padding stats on a lotto team, so i get the omission

 

[blue9]

Sorry guys - bad mood today, and I'm coming over from a very combative message board. I can already tell that the audience here is FAR more intelligent than what I'm used to. I'll try to keep my exclamation points in check.
But just a disclaimer - if there's one topic that'll get me going it's LMA. I think he's one of the most over-hyped players in the league. But I'll back my opinion up with data, and not just hate on him to be a hater.
Anyway - I gotta run to a meeting.
Again - apologies if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I just really hate LMA.
Tomorrow?