Quick calls out Stotts etc

[Chris Craig]

Did he not say “we wish he was shooting better”? What do you want him to say? “He scores but not much else. He isn’t very good”. Maybe lower his value around the league? Piss him off? Piss off the team? What’s the end game?

I don't want him to say any of those things. I have already said what he should have said.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Did he not say “we wish he was shooting better”? What do you want him to say? “He scores but not much else. He isn’t very good”. Maybe lower his value around the league? Piss him off? Piss off the team? What’s the end game?

I would want him to at least notice Dame and CJ's non-existant chemistry and cooperation to be hurting our offense.
Maybe not acknowledge it to the media but at least face this issue

 

[TBpup]

The subject is coach and media or maybe I'm in the wrong thread....context

He was directly answering someone else's post. But I'm guessing that was obvious.

 

[riverman]

He was directly answering someone else's post. But I'm guessing that was obvious.

The quote was my post...

 

[Propagandist]

Calling CJ out to a reporter accomplishes nothing positive.

I disagree. It begins a narrative that many in the forum have been waiting to hear outside of these walls.

 

[riverman]

I disagree. It begins a narrative that many in the forum have been waiting to hear outside of these walls.

I think many within this forum have been waiting for this but not the team, staff or general public or media.

 

[Propagandist]

I think many within this forum have been waiting for this but not the team, staff or general public or media.

I disagree with you as well. Well, first off, Quick is the media. Secondly, if you don't think the people notice that CJ is unabashedly and unjustifiably ball dominant then I think you're mistaken. The general public, ie fans, notice and are tired of it. People I know--all of them--complain. I'm sure they are happy it's being discussed now. Go to games; CJ's yoyo control does not elicit gasps of awe, but rather, yawns and groans when he misses. And Moe has been tacitly critical of the offense in the past; same with Evan Turner (although I think he hasn't earned the right to complain). In other words, I'm sure the other players who stand around while CJ fires warning shots at the rim would love to be a bigger part of the offense...

And now the cat is out of the bag. It is a good thing, I tell you. It is positive. And there will hopefully be follow up questions and continued scrutiny, because shit's got to change at some point.

 

[HailBlazers]

We have a decent record. Yes, we had three straight wins. Yes, including GS. But, lets not pretend there aren't problems with the bench. Sometimes Curry has a good game. Sometimes Meyers. Sometimes. There is no cosistency to the bench. They average 45 points a game and often don't reach their average. The Starters need more help from them.

CJ needs to help the bench.

 

[riverman]

Secondly, if you don't think the people notice that CJ is unabashedly and unjustifiably ball dominant then I think you're mistaken.

I'm one of those people, but I read a lot of NBA stuff and CJ is not getting ink for anything. We get the occasional mention during a game against the Kings or something....just here or maybe Blazers edge...I've been on the "CJ is a 6 man" soapbox for years now. I have no problem with Quick's question about him nor with Stott's response to it

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You know what, you're right. I should have put in a caveat: if it was personal insults on people AND off the thread topic.

LOL. I wasn’t hatin’. I hope you have all that time! #youdoyou

 

[calvin natt]

I would want him to at least notice Dame and CJ's non-existant chemistry and cooperation to be hurting our offense.
Maybe not acknowledge it to the media but at least face this issue

What did I miss? People don’t think he’s “noticed”? He has to come out and state to Jason Quick in order to notice?

 

[oldmangrouch]

this was never meant to directly compare the two at all. just to point out quick's continued stylistic fault. drama. if he had said cj's assist averages are down from a year ago and shooting worse, no problem. stating he only has 5 other games with more than, while providing no perspective i find fault. style brah. quick drama through insinuating he should have more? more than who? i added a west coast shooting guard that is similarly struggling but not changing his game to increase assist total.

Got it.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I disagree. It begins a narrative that many in the forum have been waiting to hear outside of these walls.

I think so also. It kind of puts the coaches on notice that somebody is watching; they all seem so complacent to me sometimes.

 

[lawai'a]

that's remedial and devoid of context. Raw FGA's don't mean much at all

at the end of last season, Blazers Edge looked at this for 'frequent' shooters:

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/4/...all-hog-does-it-matter-portland-trail-blazers

I'll let Scalma speak for himself but I think this is what he was referring to. Klay is a catch-n-shoot master whereas CJ is a ball-stopper. Notice that CJ was far and away the "leader" in the amount of time he held the ball in each possession and the number of dribbles he has each possession.

that list really illustrates why more and more people are comparing CJ to Jamal Crawford. They both pound the ball a ton and burn thru shot clocks like crazy.

again, in a discussion comparing CJ and Klay in terms of ball-dominance, using FGA's to gauge anything is useless. They are completely different players. If you extrapolate (touches X avg. seconds/touch), Klay on average will hold the ball for 100.5 seconds a game; meanwhile, on average, Cj will hold the ball for 267 seconds a game...close to 2.7 times as much. Klay averages 2.1 assists while CJ averages 2.7. In other words, CJ has the ball 265% more than Klay but only averages 29% more assists. Put another way, it's completely idiotic to try and justify CJ's assist numbers by using Klay as the counterpoint

"]this was never meant to directly compare the two at all. just to point out quick's continued stylistic fault. drama. if he had said cj's assist averages are down from a year ago and shooting worse, no problem. stating he only has 5 other games with more than, while providing no perspective i find fault. style brah. quick drama through insinuating he should have more? more than who? i added a west coast shooting guard that is similarly struggling but not changing his game to increase assist total.[/QUOTE] an earlier post by me.

i am also sure that quick and cj's back and forth on twitter that cost quick his job had nothing to do with the writers format and tone either.
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[Wizard Mentor]

Stotts is protecting his players. Oh, the inhumanity of it all!

CJ is struggling. I'm not surprised because his arms look a lot more muscular than in seasons past. However, I didn't think the funk would last this long.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Because people love being micromanaged in a place where they want to relax.

We want to treat you like adults, not the kids that are tethered in groups walking around downtown.

For the most part, people almost always go back to the topic at hand. This thread went away from the topic so aggressively and so fast it had to be done. Now we're back on topic for the most part.

I disagree. it just shifted the offtopic from personal to opinions of deleting threads. I get the reasoning But still cant stand the outcome.

Let people own their shit.
I read this thread late and the first page is hard to follow. People quoting posts i didnt read, etc.

You aRe right. We are all adults. So we should be forced to wear our shit we leave lying around.
We arent kids needing to be picked up after and just continue doing the same thing over and over because... itll get cleaned up.

I think if someone makes an ass of themselves on here it should be left for all to see.
The poster can always come to senses and edit themselves if the want to demonstrate they are adults.

It also makes it easier to keep in mind who to avoid Convos with because you know who tends to take things personal. If they are deleted, its vaugue aNd i think actually causes the same crap to be repeated.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sometimes a coach needs to call out a player. A coach needs to hold himself and his players accountable.

Having been in management a number of years, there is general guideline.

Praise in public.
Reprimand in private.

 

[TBpup]

Having been in management a number of years, there is general guideline.

Praise in public.
Reprimand in private.

Agreed. Stotts just opened up the natural follow up by alluding to 'other things CJ was doing' and then 'not going down that road'.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I disagree. it just shifted the offtopic from personal to opinions of deleting threads. I get the reasoning But still cant stand the outcome.

Let people own their shit.
I read this thread late and the first page is hard to follow. People quoting posts i didnt read, etc.

You aRe right. We are all adults. So we should be forced to wear our shit we leave lying around.
We arent kids needing to be picked up after and just continue doing the same thing over and over because... itll get cleaned up.

I think if someone makes an ass of themselves on here it should be left for all to see.
The poster can always come to senses and edit themselves if the want to demonstrate they are adults.

It also makes it easier to keep in mind who to avoid Convos with because you know who tends to take things personal. If they are deleted, its vaugue aNd i think actually causes the same crap to be repeated.

You don't want a new poster to come along someday and their first thread is a bunch of us insulting each other. I agree sort of with what you're saying. I just think sometimes adults need moderating just as much as kids do.
It's not really the mods fault that we don't post respectfully as adults. - I said we I'm not pointing at anyone or excluding myself.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You don't want a new poster to come along someday and their first thread is a bunch of us insulting each other. I agree sort of with what you're saying. I just think sometimes adults need moderating just as much as kids do.
It's not really the mods fault that we don't post respectfully as adults. - I said we I'm not pointing at anyone or excluding myself.

I absolutely blame the mods when i have a temper tantrum and post like a child here.

I private message them and go off o nthem for having such control of my emotions!!

On the serious, as a new poster, i would find it enlightening as to know who is a fircracker Nd who isnt. Better helps the new guys know who can hold onto conversatoon topics and who cant. Thus providing knowledge of who they may want to avoid if they dont care for confrontation discussions.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Stotts doesn't like Quick. I think that's the only thing you can really take from this.

And asking a coach to evaluate a players season after a tough loss where the player in question struggles is pretty clearly unfair imo.

Then Stotts would have an absolute meltdown coaching in New York or many of the big NBA markets.

 

[wizenheimer]

CJ is struggling. I'm not surprised because his arms look a lot more muscular than in seasons past. However, I didn't think the funk would last this long.

this seems to be a common narrative: CJ is just struggling right now with his shooting

in that case, it's really worth noting that last season, CJ's TS% was .536, this season it's .537. Last season, CJ's eFG% was .506 while this season, it's .508

in other words if CJ is in a shooting slump, it's a 120 game shooting slump. That seems a bit long doesn't it? I don't think CJ is really struggling...that's just convenient cover the media is buying. I think it's just that more and more people have come to recognize how limited CJ's game is and how little impact it has, even when he's shooting well. He's above average as a player, but he sure as hell isn't all-star material as so many Blazer fans have assumed for so long. He's been apportioned too high a percentage of Portland's possessions and too high a percentage of Portland's salary cap. His talent doesn't warrant either portion but that's the situation Olshey has forced

PS: I also think as Nurkic has developed and become the obvious 2nd best player on Portland, CJ's flaws are put into contrast. If he was as good as the front office has held him up as, the Blazers would actually be contenders. By that I mean if it was Dame-Paul George-Nurkic or Dame-Kawhi-Nurkic, Portland would be a couple of tiers better than they are. But no, CJ was held as "untouchable" in those trade talks if the rumors are true

 

[blue9]

Ugh. So Jason finally asks Stotts some "tough" questions, and they're all about CJ?! I get it, CJ isn't playing well, many feel he doesn't fit well next to Dame, etc, etc. But, pinning all of this on CJ is completely and utterly moronic...and oh so very typical of Jason Quick. CJ is the LEAST of our problems.

Also, I found this sentence to be fucking laughable:

To the Blazers’ credit, they are 22-17 and are still a contender in the tight Western Conference race, thanks mostly to Lillard’s excellence, a surge from Jusuf Nurkic, recent spikes in play from Maurice Harkless and Seth Curry, and an occasional outburst in scoring from McCollum.

Oh really? So Seth's "recent spikes" are contributing more than CJ's "occasional outbursts"? Seth Curry, who has scored greater than 10 points only 5 times this season, is contributing more to the team than CJ who has only scored less than 10 points in one game?

@JasonQuick - next time you think you're a big boy, try asking the coach about the underlying problems that have been recurring for the past half decade.

 

[blue9]

The perfect answer would be that even if CJ is struggling shooting the other team always has to account for where he is on offense and he rarely gets left alone like a bad shooter would. Having CJ on the floor does help with the spacing of the offense.

It's still a non-answer but you can't really fact check it either so it's hard to make fun of or complain about it. By saying nothing he isn't really standing up for CJ. I mentioned this in the Thunder game thread but until this organization concedes that CJ shouldn't be treated as a star nothing is going to change.

Right?! It's really not that difficult. You're already a better coach than Stotts! Congratulations!
Can we get a new coach yet?

 

[blue9]

Olshey trying to control the media, and thus the narrative...is that even..I don’t know the right word..ethical? Does that happen anywhere else? I’m honestly wondering, because it doesn’t seem like he gets enough shit for that.

Yes. It's why every big organization has an entire PR department. All organizations want to be able to control their image in the media.

 

[Scalma]

Yes. It's why every big organization has an entire PR department. All organizations want to be able to control their image in the media.

Where else does it happen in the NBA? No way a team in a bigger market would get away with that kind of lid. Most teams don’t have full control of their own broadcasts, do they?

 

[blue9]

Where else does it happen in the NBA? No way a team in a bigger market would get away with that kind of lid. Most teams don’t have full control of their own broadcasts, do they?

Oh, by "anywhere else" I thought you meant in general rather than in the NBA.
As far as I know the NBA - not the teams - own the broadcasts.

 

[tester551]

this seems to be a common narrative: CJ is just struggling right now with his shooting

in that case, it's really worth noting that last season, CJ's TS% was .536, this season it's .537. Last season, CJ's eFG% was .506 while this season, it's .508

in other words if CJ is in a shooting slump, it's a 120 game shooting slump. That seems a bit long doesn't it? I don't think CJ is really struggling...that's just convenient cover the media is buying. I think it's just that more and more people have come to recognize how limited CJ's game is and how little impact it has, even when he's shooting well. He's above average as a player, but he sure as hell isn't all-star material as so many Blazer fans have assumed for so long. He's been apportioned too high a percentage of Portland's possessions and too high a percentage of Portland's salary cap. His talent doesn't warrant either portion but that's the situation Olshey has forced

PS: I also think as Nurkic has developed and become the obvious 2nd best player on Portland, CJ's flaws are put into contrast. If he was as good as the front office has held him up as, the Blazers would actually be contenders. By that I mean if it was Dame-Paul George-Nurkic or Dame-Kawhi-Nurkic, Portland would be a couple of tiers better than they are. But no, CJ was held as "untouchable" in those trade talks if the rumors are true

Preach! CJ is good, but has/will never be great.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

this seems to be a common narrative: CJ is just struggling right now with his shooting

in that case, it's really worth noting that last season, CJ's TS% was .536, this season it's .537. Last season, CJ's eFG% was .506 while this season, it's .508

in other words if CJ is in a shooting slump, it's a 120 game shooting slump. That seems a bit long doesn't it? I don't think CJ is really struggling...that's just convenient cover the media is buying. I think it's just that more and more people have come to recognize how limited CJ's game is and how little impact it has, even when he's shooting well. He's above average as a player, but he sure as hell isn't all-star material as so many Blazer fans have assumed for so long. He's been apportioned too high a percentage of Portland's possessions and too high a percentage of Portland's salary cap. His talent doesn't warrant either portion but that's the situation Olshey has forced

PS: I also think as Nurkic has developed and become the obvious 2nd best player on Portland, CJ's flaws are put into contrast. If he was as good as the front office has held him up as, the Blazers would actually be contenders. By that I mean if it was Dame-Paul George-Nurkic or Dame-Kawhi-Nurkic, Portland would be a couple of tiers better than they are. But no, CJ was held as "untouchable" in those trade talks if the rumors are true

Good post. I'm guilty of not following the Blazers as closely this year, and repeating the narrative I've heard so often in these forums. Thanks for straightening me out.

 

[Chris Craig]

this seems to be a common narrative: CJ is just struggling right now with his shooting

in that case, it's really worth noting that last season, CJ's TS% was .536, this season it's .537. Last season, CJ's eFG% was .506 while this season, it's .508

in other words if CJ is in a shooting slump, it's a 120 game shooting slump. That seems a bit long doesn't it? I don't think CJ is really struggling...that's just convenient cover the media is buying. I think it's just that more and more people have come to recognize how limited CJ's game is and how little impact it has, even when he's shooting well. He's above average as a player, but he sure as hell isn't all-star material as so many Blazer fans have assumed for so long. He's been apportioned too high a percentage of Portland's possessions and too high a percentage of Portland's salary cap. His talent doesn't warrant either portion but that's the situation Olshey has forced

PS: I also think as Nurkic has developed and become the obvious 2nd best player on Portland, CJ's flaws are put into contrast. If he was as good as the front office has held him up as, the Blazers would actually be contenders. By that I mean if it was Dame-Paul George-Nurkic or Dame-Kawhi-Nurkic, Portland would be a couple of tiers better than they are. But no, CJ was held as "untouchable" in those trade talks if the rumors are true

Well said. If this truly is the case and its not a slump, and CJ isn't as good as he is made out to be, he needs to be traded before other teams figure it out.