Quick: Olshey eyeing buyout and trade market

[julius]

Yeah, I said Jones.

I must've missed that part. Doesn't really change my opinion on the trade. Barnes isn't a difference maker. he's Sharif Abdur Rahim with an easier name to spell.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would love to get Jerami Grant.

 

[julius]

They do it because they want to win now, is my guess. The older player helps them now. Anfernee doesn't (as much).

I don't know if he helps them enough to justify trading someone with potential. Hill makes them a top 6 team. It's trading for Walter Davis, but without the tragic ending to Petro.

 

[Scalma]

I must've missed that part. Doesn't really change my opinion on the trade. Barnes isn't a difference maker. he's Sharif Abdur Rahim with an easier name to spell.

SAR was one of the most underrated players of his time, I’d take that. (No I don’t think Barnes is SAR)

 

[julius]

assist percentages take that into account, so if Simons really was anywhere near the playmaker Hill was it would be reflected in his percentages.

Hill is superior in almost every way

Higher PER, TS%, Free throw rate, assist rate, steal rate, turnover rate, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, win shares/48, offensive box score plus minus, defensive box score plus minus, box score plus minus, and VORP. But yeah, Simons rebounds better LOL.

But maybe most importantly, Hill is a vet you can actually trust in the playoffs

you don't trade 21 years old for 35 year old declining vets.

 

[julius]

SAR was one of the most underrated players of his time, I’d take that. (No I don’t think Barnes is SAR)

Who lead his teams no where, and was always the best player on a shitty team.

Pass.

 

[hoopsjock]

yeah, I know....I was just thinking the market for 27 year old Porter might extend beyond vet minimum deals, especially considering he's a career 40% shooter from three point range. He's a decent rebounder for his position, but I'm not sure how good his defense is

you mentioned BG getting a pro-rated minimum. Is that mandatory or optional. By that I mean could a team like Portland offer the full minimum for a half season of service?

George Hill might be in a long line of aging NBA vets that goes ring shopping if he bought out. Maybe the thing to do is pick a target player, then track down who his agent is and if Olshey has dealt with him before

The pro-rated thing only effects how it's counted towards the salary cap. The player would make the same either way.

 

[Scalma]

Who lead his teams no where, and was always the best player on a shitty team.

Pass.

Is this tennis or basketball?

 

[BigGameDamian]

Trent, Hood and Zach Collins for Aaron Gordon and Michael Carter-Williams works on the trade machine.

 

[Hoopguru]

Erzan to Jazz.....he would have been a decent pick up for us.

 

[Zach Collins Enthusiast]

I would be shocked if Otto Porter is available. He is a very very good player. No chance we're getting him for free

 

[Scalma]

I would be shocked if Otto Porter is available. He is a very very good player. No chance we're getting him for free

he’s a free agent at the end of the season. His timeline doesn’t match up with the rest of Chicago’s core. His contract isn’t easy to trade. A buyout could happen, guess it just depends on how the bulls play the next couple of weeks.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I would be shocked if Otto Porter is available. He is a very very good player. No chance we're getting him for free

Also I'm sure he'd have a lot of other suitors.

 

[hoopsjock]

Trent, Hood and Zach Collins for Aaron Gordon and Michael Carter-Williams works on the trade machine.

I would rather have an injured Zach Collins not playing.

 

[Cugel]

I don't see NO doing anything other than signing a Tolliver-grade player for ~free

 

[julius]

There's this LeBron guy. It really depends on how well that vet is still capable of contributing and the prospect of the 21 years old. But yeah, I tend to agree that you don't trade a young prospect for an old vet that doesn't have much left to contribute to a winning team.

No one would be referring to Lebron as a "vet"

 

[julius]

Is this tennis or basketball?

#s are are not equal.

 

[Natebishop3]

Meyers Leonard about to be available

 

[B-Roy]

I must've missed that part. Doesn't really change my opinion on the trade. Barnes isn't a difference maker. he's Sharif Abdur Rahim with an easier name to spell.

We can agree to disagree on how much of a difference maker he is, but he's on a declining contract, while Hood and Jones may not even be here next season. And Simons has no long term role on this team, IMO.

And on the pro-Barnes stats:

He's averaging 16 points per 36 on 62% true shooting and 17.6 usage rate. The shooting may not last, but the fact that he's contributing offense on 17.6 usage rate is really what excites me, because the forwards on our team are going to be low usage. Trent has 19.9% usage, Melo is at 23%. Jones and Covington are at ~12% each. You don't think we could benefit by moving some of the usage from Trent/Melo to Barnes who would be replacing either Jones or Cov?

Plus, he plays defense, he plays multiple positions. He's a clear upgrade over Jones in crunch time when you need to space the floor, and he won't kill you on defense like Melo.

 

[wizenheimer]

Meyers Leonard about to be available

his deal has a team option for next season. Safe to say Miami will waive him?

worse, for Meyers, is that he could be without a contract in less than 4 months. He might have to go thru a year or two before any team would sign him. Maybe longer because he isn't that good

2 seconds of unthinking bad mouth could cost him millions

 

[julius]

We can agree to disagree on how much of a difference maker he is, but he's on a declining contract, while Hood and Jones may not even be here next season. And Simons has no long term role on this team, IMO.

And on the pro-Barnes stats:

He's averaging 16 points per 36 on 62% true shooting and 17.6 usage rate. The shooting may not last, but the fact that he's contributing offense on 17.6 usage rate is really what excites me, because the forwards on our team are going to be low usage. Trent has 19.9% usage, Melo is at 23%. Jones and Covington are at ~12% each. You don't think we could benefit by moving some of the usage from Trent/Melo to Barnes who would be replacing either Jones or Cov?

Plus, he plays defense, he plays multiple positions. He's a clear upgrade over Jones in crunch time when you need to space the floor, and he won't kill you on defense like Melo.

He won't help them win any playoff series, and I whole heartidly disagree about Simons.

But grass is always greener.

 

[jlprk]

Looking at Otto Porter's stats, I see that he's a shooter, but not a dribbler. He needs to be set up. The Stotts non-passing offense might be the worst place in the league for Porter. (See Derrick Jones, Jr.)

it seems pretty clear Portland isn't going over the tax line this year. They only have a vet minimum deal to offer. If Porter or Hill become free agents, I'd guess it's likely both would get more than a minimum deal. I have no clue which teams have exception space left, but I'd imagine there's enough of that space out there to price Portland out of the market for guys like Porter and Hill

I'm skeptical of this report. It smells like spin

Jason Quick articles are all either concoctions of praise for some player using Boy Scout morality (which is why he fit into the anti-Sheed era so well), or as a mouthpiece to please and parrot whoever the current GM is.

 

[wizenheimer]

He won't help them win any playoff series, and I whole heartidly disagree about Simons.

But grass is always greener.

I can't focus on anything you say because of your new avatar

 

[B-Roy]

He won't help them win any playoff series, and I whole heartidly disagree about Simons.

But grass is always greener.

I don't think there's anyone gettable that would (clearly) help them win any playoff series.

 

[jlprk]

honest question, not loaded: when was the last time Portland and OKC completed a two team trade?

I believe the Eric Maynor trade, 2013.
We're due!

good catch

now, that would have been before Olshey messed with OKC by extending a max offer sheet to Kanter. Both Olshey and Presti are still in their jobs so I'd wonder if there is any residual bad blood

Probably that paired with being a division rival.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/trades.fcgi?f1=POR&f2=OKC

We dumped LaRue Martin and Wally Walker onto the Sonics, and Georgios Printezis and Grant Jarrett onto the Thunder.

I remember when the ruined Martin came to the Sonics. Coach Bill Russell said that if he hadn't been picked so high, he'd have gotten more time to develop in the NBA.

 

[Natebishop3]

his deal has a team option for next season. Safe to say Miami will waive him?

worse, for Meyers, is that he could be without a contract in less than 4 months. He might have to go thru a year or two before any team would sign him. Maybe longer because he isn't that good

2 seconds of unthinking bad mouth could cost him millions

Yup. Dude is toast. His agent might quit on him too.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

One of the few things I wish Dame was better at is throwing lob passes. We've had some players that were great at finishing ally oops, but we never ran many plays for them.

Ahem.

(Of course, a problem with this is that we lose one of the targets of the lobs. But Nas can take over.)

 

[Natebishop3]

Ahem.
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(Of course, a problem with this is that we lose one of the targets of the lobs. But Nas can take over.)

How does Rubio fit if you don't move CJ/Trent/or Ant.

 

[tester551]

According to Marks, Portland can’t sign or trade for Ariza

Where did he say that?

Ariza has technically been on Houston, Detroit, and OKC's team since leaving PDX. He should be able to return as a UFA if cut.

 

[Scalma]

his deal has a team option for next season. Safe to say Miami will waive him?

worse, for Meyers, is that he could be without a contract in less than 4 months. He might have to go thru a year or two before any team would sign him. Maybe longer because he isn't that good

2 seconds of unthinking bad mouth could cost him millions

meyers been getting loose with the mouth the last couple of years and it finally cost him. Should’ve been the shy nice guy he pretended to be while he was in Portland.