Quick: Olshey eyeing buyout and trade market

[julius]

Hood Jones and Simons for Barnes. I’m still looking at this deal.

Um, Barnes makes 22 million. Hood and Simons make 13. They'd have to include another player (at least) and even it'd be an incredibly stupid trade.

 

[Scalma]

Not sure trading someone who is in his early 20's for a backup PG in his mid 30's is the smartest of ideas. Especially since he's injured.

And especially since per 36 he averages a whole whopping 1.5 more assists a game.

Not saying he's the next Jermaine O'Neal, but that trade screams at the tops of its lungs "Jermaine O'Neal for Dale Davis".

Hills assist percentage is nearly double Simons’. Let’s not even get into the defense. As for his injury, he’s expected back within two weeks.

 

[julius]

Three team trade
Portland Out - Hood, Collins
Portland In - Bjelica, Rondo

Kings Out - Bjelica
Kings In - Hood

Hawks Out - Rondo
Hawks In - Collins

Blazers get a PF who can shoot and handle the ball, and a true playoff tested backup PG.
Kings get rid of Bjelica's contract as they are looking to move him.
Hawks get a replacement for their Collins as he is out after this season.

I have a hard time accepting that the Blazers would trade two players, one of which isn't going to play this year and the other who is struggling coming off of a major injury, and they get the only decent players in the entire trade?

Atlanta and Sacramento laugh heartily at this trade offer.

 

[julius]

Hills assist percentage is nearly double Simons’. Let’s not even get into the defense. As for his injury, he’s expected back within two weeks.

you're also comparing his stats as a starter vs that of a backup. Hills #'s wouldn't be the same as a 15-20 minute reserve.

But the main point is that Hill is currently 34, almost 35. You don't trade a 21 year old who averages more points per 36, more rebounds per 36, and isn't 34, for a 34 year old on the down down down downside of his career.

That's 14 years older than Anfernee.

That is a bad bad bad trade.

 

[PCmor7]

Both guys would be helpful, for sure. Never understood the Otto Porter hype but it must be me, since everyone likes him so much. I've never paid too much attention to him. Seems like a slightly better Covington who costs a boat load. Hill would be a huge help for Lillard and CJ, exactly what they need at this point.

It's not just you.

 

[JDC]

A bit off topic, but Quick also mentions that the return of Nurk and CJ is a “matter of days, not weeks”

Excited to see Nurk after a break to work on his conditioning.

Didn't quiet have the mobility or pop of the floor that we're used to seeing.

 

[julius]

I would trade Hood for Hill (why the Thunder would accept that trade is beyond me), but I wouldn't throw anyone younger than 25 in the trade.


I didn't realize Rodney was already 28.

 

[Natebishop3]

One of the few things I wish Dame was better at is throwing lob passes. We've had some players that were great at finishing ally oops, but we never ran many plays for them.

It's really one of his only huge weaknesses on offense. He just isn't good at it lol

 

[Scalma]

you're also comparing his stats as a starter vs that of a backup. Hills #'s wouldn't be the same as a 15-20 minute reserve.

But the main point is that Hill is currently 34, almost 35. You don't trade a 21 year old who averages more points per 36, more rebounds per 36, and isn't 34, for a 34 year old on the down down down downside of his career.

That's 14 years older than Anfernee.

That is a bad bad bad trade.

assist percentages take that into account, so if Simons really was anywhere near the playmaker Hill was it would be reflected in his percentages.

Hill is superior in almost every way

Higher PER, TS%, Free throw rate, assist rate, steal rate, turnover rate, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, win shares/48, offensive box score plus minus, defensive box score plus minus, box score plus minus, and VORP. But yeah, Simons rebounds better LOL.

But maybe most importantly, Hill is a vet you can actually trust in the playoffs

 

[calvin natt]

you're also comparing his stats as a starter vs that of a backup. Hills #'s wouldn't be the same as a 15-20 minute reserve.

But the main point is that Hill is currently 34, almost 35. You don't trade a 21 year old who averages more points per 36, more rebounds per 36, and isn't 34, for a 34 year old on the down down down downside of his career.

That's 14 years older than Anfernee.

That is a bad bad bad trade.

They do it because they want to win now, is my guess. The older player helps them now. Anfernee doesn't (as much).

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't understand this. Why would Chicago prefer a buy-out vs getting something in return?
I am not suggesting sending them players with bad contracts. I would think the only way we get him is through a trade. Otherwise, there is too much competition for his services.

They, of course, would prefer to trade him. But he makes over $28 million a year and is considered injury-prone, making a trade difficult. I'm not even sure why they would want to trade him. They don't have much for SF on the team. Then why aren't they playing him more? I don't know.

 

[wizenheimer]

it seems pretty clear Portland isn't going over the tax line this year. They only have a vet minimum deal to offer. If Porter or Hill become free agents, I'd guess it's likely both would get more than a minimum deal. I have no clue which teams have exception space left, but I'd imagine there's enough of that space out there to price Portland out of the market for guys like Porter and Hill

I'm skeptical of this report. It smells like spin

 

[e_blazer]

assist percentages take that into account, so if Simons really was anywhere near the playmaker Hill was it would be reflected in his percentages.

Hill is superior in almost every way

Higher PER, TS%, Free throw rate, assist rate, steal rate, turnover rate, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, win shares/48, offensive box score plus minus, defensive box score plus minus, box score plus minus, and VORP. But yeah, Simons rebounds better LOL.

But maybe most importantly, Hill is a vet you can actually trust in the playoffs

All of that may be true, but I'd be astonished if Olshey traded Ant for a guy who doesn't figure long term in the Blazers' future. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he figures out another deal to make the trade happen though.

 

[wizenheimer]

Hood for Hill works well for Portland. But I'd think OKC would demand more than Hood. They don't have a lot of incentive to clear cap-space next season because they already have 50 million in space scheduled

 

[Natebishop3]

I still think either GTJ or CJ needs to go. If the Blazers think GTJ is the future at shooting guard, you move CJ.

If the Blazers think that GTJ isn't as good as what he'll most likely get, you deal him and you still have Ant as the shooting guard of the future.

 

[Scalma]

All of that may be true, but I'd be astonished if Olshey traded Ant for a guy who doesn't figure long term in the Blazers' future. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he figures out another deal to make the trade happen though.

maybe OKC would take hood and a second? That would save them some money (Hill is under contract next season with a buyout of 1.2m) and give them a draft pick. I believe Portland has a second in ‘22 they could trade.

Either way, the priority should be surrounding Dame with the best possible team and going for a championship, not developing a third string SG.

 

[hoopsjock]

it seems pretty clear Portland isn't going over the tax line this year. They only have a vet minimum deal to offer. If Porter or Hill become free agents, I'd guess it's likely both would get more than a minimum deal. I have no clue which teams have exception space left, but I'd imagine there's enough of that space out there to price Portland out of the market for guys like Porter and Hill

I'm skeptical of this report. It smells like spin

Most buyout players sign for the minimum. There are exceptions to this but for example Brooklyn still had their Tax-MLE and Blake just signed for a pro-rated minimum contract.

 

[wizenheimer]

honest question, not loaded: when was the last time Portland and OKC completed a two team trade?

 

[Natebishop3]

I would love to see if New Orleans would do CJ for Ingram. I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams. The Pels get a dynamic scorer in the backcourt to go with Zion and we get a long wing who can shoot the threeball.

Dame
GTJ
Ingram
RoCo
Nurk

 

[B-Roy]

Um, Barnes makes 22 million. Hood and Simons make 13. They'd have to include another player (at least) and even it'd be an incredibly stupid trade.

Yeah, I said Jones.

 

[Scalma]

I would love to see if New Orleans would do CJ for Ingram. I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams. The Pels get a dynamic scorer in the backcourt to go with Zion and we get a long wing who can shoot the threeball.

Dame
GTJ
Ingram
RoCo
Nurk

Dude thinking about scenarios that involve trading CJ is a complete waste of your time, why even bother

 

[Natebishop3]

Dude thinking about scenarios that involve trading CJ is a complete waste of your time, why even bother

One can dream.

 

[Natebishop3]

There you go. An Ingram trade that doesn't involve CJ lol

 

[RR7]

honest question, not loaded: when was the last time Portland and OKC completed a two team trade?

I believe the Eric Maynor trade, 2013.
We're due!

 

[Scalma]

I wanted the Blazers to go after Ingram a few years ago when his stock was much lower. But alas, that ship has sailed. Ingram's a stud, and would fit in so well here.

would he? I think he would just stand in the corner while dame and CJ dribbled out the clock. (This is a knock on Stotts, not Ingram)

 

[wizenheimer]

I believe the Eric Maynor trade, 2013.
We're due!

good catch

now, that would have been before Olshey messed with OKC by extending a max offer sheet to Kanter. Both Olshey and Presti are still in their jobs so I'd wonder if there is any residual bad blood

 

[Natebishop3]

good catch

now, that would have been before Olshey messed with OKC by extending a max offer sheet to Kanter. Both Olshey and Presti are still in their jobs so I'd wonder if there is any residual bad blood

Probably that paired with being a division rival.

 

[wizenheimer]

Most buyout players sign for the minimum. There are exceptions to this but for example Brooklyn still had their Tax-MLE and Blake just signed for a pro-rated minimum contract.

yeah, I know....I was just thinking the market for 27 year old Porter might extend beyond vet minimum deals, especially considering he's a career 40% shooter from three point range. He's a decent rebounder for his position, but I'm not sure how good his defense is

you mentioned BG getting a pro-rated minimum. Is that mandatory or optional. By that I mean could a team like Portland offer the full minimum for a half season of service?

George Hill might be in a long line of aging NBA vets that goes ring shopping if he bought out. Maybe the thing to do is pick a target player, then track down who his agent is and if Olshey has dealt with him before

 

[RR7]

yeah, I know....I was just thinking the market for 27 year old Porter might extend beyond vet minimum deals, especially considering he's a career 40% shooter from three point range. He's a decent rebounder for his position, but I'm not sure how good his defense is

you mentioned BG getting a pro-rated minimum. Is that mandatory or optional. By that I mean could a team like Portland offer the full minimum for a half season of service?

George Hill might be in a long line of aging NBA vets that goes ring shopping if he bought out. Maybe the thing to do is pick a target player, then track down who his agent is and if Olshey has dealt with him before

Well, Porter's agent is David Falk.

Jason Quick: Agent David Falk said Blazers and GM Neil Olshey may have lost RFA Roy Hibbert, but they gained “human capital”

Maybe 9 years later, we make something of that?

 

[Scalma]

Well, Porter's agent is David Falk.



Maybe 9 years later, we make something of that?

lmaooo